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Walkthedawg

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Bullldawg78 said:
He'd be here for 27 guaranteed only, the man is always looking for his next job. I really don't understand the MCS (Mullen Cuck Syndrome) some of our fanbase has.
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Uh, well, I dunno. Because he took a program they had been toothless for 6 or 7 years and has us in a NY day bowl in two seasons to absolutely demolish Michigan (with a qb that cannot make a dependable forward pass) and number one in the nation a few years later with a qb that everyone else wanted to play TE. He also basically found Chris Jones who had obviously never been evaluated by anyone. And had set us up for another great season in 2018 had a competent coach been hired.

This next hire cannot be a gamble. Another miss or bad fit and we are finished. With the times they way they are now, that's all there is to it. Especially if the there is some kind of major collegiate football restructuring. And the people that would be making the hire are the same people who hired Lebby this time along with making the fan base as apathetic, if not more, than Croom's last year. Remember, Cignetti was on the market and I don't know if we even sent him an email. The department went with Lebby.

F this one up, and it's lights out on being competitive. So you wanna gamble? Or you want to go with what has worked and what is working in Vegas?
 
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Howiefeltersnstch

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patdog said:
Well our professionals aren’t doing a very good job. At this point I figure it might be time to give a few Sixpack posters a try.
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Sometimes, reading this site, I wish we could stick them in for a year and see how successful they are. But yeah, tbh, I could probly coach them to a 2 win season.
 
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L4Dawg said:
I get that, sort of, but if we don’t get better at football the money for everything sports will dry up. It really is a new era. We better under stand that…NOW.
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Not as long as we are in the SEC. Or any part of the P4 TV pot, if Save College Sports passes.

I'm not saying we shouldn't try to win. But nothing is really drying up as long as we get that TV money. And if it did, we could just cut the amount we pay in rev share.

You don't understand how this works.
 
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Not as long as we are in the SEC. Or any part of the P4 TV pot, if Save College Sports passes.

I'm not saying we shouldn't try to win. But nothing is really drying up as long as we get that TV money. And if it did, we could just cut the amount we pay in rev share.

You don't understand how this works.
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Football will determine if we remain where we are or not long term. That's how it works.
 
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blacklistedbully

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Maroon13 said:
Being able to Pay players is right in OMs wheel house.

State losing and having a green HC created the perfect recruiting environment for them
And worst for us.
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Yep.

This is pretty much what I predicted when all this NIL and transfer stuff was just about to start and some were saying it would be good for us.

Specifically with OM I said we'd be at a big disadvantage, in part because they already had the infrastructure, know-how and willingness to take immediate advantage because they'd already been doing it on a large scale for decades, and now wouldn't have to hide it or pretend they weren't doing it. And they could do it on a larger scale because their risk/reward ratio would go bonkers given the risk had been mostly eliminated.
 
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ReverseCowbell

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dawgstudent said:
www.on3.com

2027 Rivals Industry Top Football Mississippi Recruits

A list of the top 2027 Football recruits based off of a proprietary algorithm that compiles ratings and rankings from all 3 major recruiting media services, including Rivals.
www.on3.com www.on3.com

I'm sure there's a thread about this already but I didn't search for it. In the top 4 - Tupelo, Ackerman and Louisville and we didn't get one of them. That's embarrassing.
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It’s just really difficult to imagine a world where we can compete with the top 4-6 teams in the SEC, even if those 6 teams change a bit.

We’ve never shown that ability consistently, the league has gotten even tougher, and now there is no limit on how much the kingdoms can spend.
 
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John Deaux VII

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Bullldawg78 said:
He'd be here for 27 guaranteed only, the man is always looking for his next job. I really don't understand the MCS (Mullen Cuck Syndrome) some of our fanbase has.
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What in the hell is Mullen Cuck Syndrome?

He has the highest average wins per season # of any coach in school history. If he had stayed for one more year, he would have passed Sherrill as the winnigest in school history. He turned our football program into precisely what we have been chasing and trying to replicate for the past 8 years.

You think someone who suggest that we consider hiring him again is a cuck?
 
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thedoubledeuce

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Walkthedawg said:
Uh, well, I dunno. Because he took a program they had been toothless for 6 or 7 years and has us in a NY day bowl in two seasons to absolutely demolish Michigan (with a qb that cannot make a dependable forward pass) and number one in the nation a few years later with a qb that everyone else wanted to play TE. He also basically found Chris Jones who had obviously never been evaluated by anyone. And had set us up for another great season in 2018 had a competent coach been hired.

This next hire cannot be a gamble. Another miss or bad fit and we are finished. With the times they way they are now, that's all there is to it. Especially if the there is some kind of major collegiate football restructuring. And the people that would be making the hire are the same people who hired Lebby this time along with making the fan base as apathetic, if not more, than Croom's last year. Remember, Cignetti was on the market and I don't know if we even sent him an email. The department went with Lebby.

F this one up, and it's lights out on being competitive. So you wanna gamble? Or you want to go with what has worked and what is working in Vegas?
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Mullen just wasn't good at all when a game mattered. When both teams were ranked his record was 2 & 16. Yeah, those back-to-back wins over Auburn and A&M were great but that was it. Nothing else of significance at all.
 
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TheBannerM

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John Deaux VII said:
What in the hell is Mullen Cuck Syndrome?

He has the highest average wins per season # of any coach in school history. If he had stayed for one more year, he would have passed Sherrill as the winnigest in school history. He turned our football program into precisely what we have been chasing and trying to replicate for the past 8 years.

You think someone who suggest that we consider hiring him again is a cuck?
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Yeah, that's pretty dumb. My only question would be does he have the energy to do what it takes to compete in the current environment? It's a lot easier to win 10 games in the a hollowed out G6 than a 9 game per season/16 team SEC.
 
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OG Goat Holder

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L4Dawg said:
Football will determine if we remain where we are or not long term. That's how it works.
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The sport, yes.

But whether MSU wins or loses will not determine our fate. Thankfully. Any split will be 60-70 teams. We will make the cut.
 
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Dirty Dirk

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Walkthedawg said:
Uh, well, I dunno. Because he took a program they had been toothless for 6 or 7 years and has us in a NY day bowl in two seasons to absolutely demolish Michigan (with a qb that cannot make a dependable forward pass) and number one in the nation a few years later with a qb that everyone else wanted to play TE. He also basically found Chris Jones who had obviously never been evaluated by anyone. And had set us up for another great season in 2018 had a competent coach been hired.

This next hire cannot be a gamble. Another miss or bad fit and we are finished. With the times they way they are now, that's all there is to it. Especially if the there is some kind of major collegiate football restructuring. And the people that would be making the hire are the same people who hired Lebby this time along with making the fan base as apathetic, if not more, than Croom's last year. Remember, Cignetti was on the market and I don't know if we even sent him an email. The department went with Lebby.

F this one up, and it's lights out on being competitive. So you wanna gamble? Or you want to go with what has worked and what is working in Vegas?
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I totally get your point just have to say the phrase, do you want to gamble or go with what's working in Vegas made me laugh.
 
The Cooterpoot

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TheBannerM said:
I think Lebby prioritized retention of existing players (which other than fumbling Jayven James, we did pretty well this past off season) and signing young transfer portal kids over HS recruiting. Ole Miss has figured out how to do both, mainly by spending embracing NIL much earlier than almost anyone else and fielding much better teams. Their early success has made it easier to continue to raise more money.

Selmon understands that we have to raise money to compete in the current landscape, but he made critical errors in hiring a first-time head coach and then allowed that head coach to hire unqualified assistants.

The best way to improve recruiting is to win big this year and to field an exciting football team. Five and seven isn't going to cut it. Six and six isn't really going to move the needle that much. Win 7-8 games and hang 30-40 pts a game on folks. No outside of Starkville thinks that will happen, however.

So, the second option is fire Lebby when things fall apart again and hire someone who doesn't need training wheels. Maybe that's Mullen. Who knows if he'll be interested or if that's even a good decision.

One thing is for sure, limping along with Lebby for another year without significant improvement in wins and losses will be another wasted year at a critical time in this era of college football.
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There's not just no chance Mullen returns, there's a better chance that I trip over my pecker while running one morning, & I don't run
 
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LandArchDawg

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I like how the more commitments we add the more our ranking drops. That seems like it takes real work to accomplish.
 
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DerHntr said:
He was entertaining job opportunities because he made us a winner. I’d taken that all day long compared to where we are right now. Mullen would need to win here for at least 3 seasons before any team would come calling. Sign me up for that.
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But you are proving a point

MSU fans are gonna bi ch no matter what
 
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paindonthurt

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patdog said:
Well, he beat Georgia and almost beat Miami. Then he brought in the #2 ranked portal class. And currently has the 10th most 4*/5* recruits committed. People thinking oh what we're seeing is cyclical and now that Kiffin is gone they're going to revert back to what we wish they were are living in a 17ing fantasy land. Open your eyes, what we're seeing is a fundamental change in the dynamic in the state of Mississippi. And it's very bad for us unless we wake up quickly.
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You wanna bet on his success over 3 years?

I know you won’t bc you are a PY but I’m offering 3/1 on a reasonable bet
 
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paindonthurt

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civildawg88 said:
These aren't just good recruits, they are recruits in our freaking backyard. OM boosters wouldn't allow that but our Virginia slims just say "oh well, at least we have baseball".
It pisses me off how much our fans care about baseball but allow football to wonder aimlessly. We got to get someone in like Mullen, Cignetti, etc to change our culture with football. Stop accepting mediocrity in this program
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I don’t give a 17 about a high school recruit anymore

But to be clear I bet if I called you and several others in this group and asked for money specifically for these “top HS recruits” you wouldn’t give $h1t
 
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I was going to skip opening game. But now, I’m thinking there may only be two wins and that game will likely be one of them. Sooooo… looks like I’m gonna plan to be there on opening day! And again when State plays TennTech!
 
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paindonthurt said:
I don’t give a 17 about a high school recruit anymore

But to be clear I bet if I called you and several others in this group and asked for money specifically for these “top HS recruits” you wouldn’t give $h1t
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^^^^^ this is when you know you’ve lost the argument
 
Right_Field_Heckler

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I can't speak for everyone, but I don't worship Mullen.

Pointing out facts doesn't mean I blindly follow him...it just means I have some common sense.

I look at the reality of the situation and at what's happened since he left.

Finding a good coach isn't easy, and we've been living proof of that.

The people still bitter that he left for a program with more resources and a legitimate shot at a national championship act like that somehow erases everything he accomplished here...it doesn't.

Choosing a better opportunity didn't suddenly make him a bad coach...that's emotion talking, not facts.
 
Maroon13

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gtowndawg said:
We know someone that plays at Memphis and I'm told it is a real gangster locker room. Guns, drugs, etc. I believe a player was just arrested yesterday on a weapons charge in fact?

They would probably beat us though.
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I think fans are really naive regarding football players. I work with a guy that played at Memphis under Fuentes. He said the first time he saw cocaine and steroids was when he joined the team. The drugs was away from campus and the practice field.
 
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patdog

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Right_Field_Heckler said:
I can't speak for everyone, but I don't worship Mullen.

Pointing out facts doesn't mean I blindly follow him...it just means I have some common sense.

I look at the reality of the situation and at what's happened since he left.

Finding a good coach isn't easy, and we've been living proof of that.

The people still bitter that he left for a program with more resources and a legitimate shot at a national championship act like that somehow erases everything he accomplished here...it doesn't.

Choosing a better opportunity didn't suddenly make him a bad coach...that's emotion talking, not facts.
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I don't worship Mullen. But if you want to talk about facts, he was the most successful coach we’ve had since WW-II and no one else is really close.
 
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patdog said:
Well, he beat Georgia and almost beat Miami. Then he brought in the #2 ranked portal class. And currently has the 10th most 4*/5* recruits committed. People thinking oh what we're seeing is cyclical and now that Kiffin is gone they're going to revert back to what we wish they were are living in a 17ing fantasy land. Open your eyes, what we're seeing is a fundamental change in the dynamic in the state of Mississippi. And it's very bad for us unless we wake up quickly.
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They also had kiffens offensive staff. No big drop with the players but not maintaining where they are is reasonable.
 
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Bulldawg77

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patdog said:
I don't worship Mullen. But if you want to talk about facts, he was the most successful coach we’ve had since WW-II and no one else is really close.
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Mullen has let it be known hes got no interest in returning to msu until cannon is out of HS. I wouldn’t expect him back ever
 
Right_Field_Heckler

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patdog said:
I don't worship Mullen. But if you want to talk about facts, he was the most successful coach we’ve had since WW-II and no one else is really close.
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...and a hell of a recruiter. The talent he brought in here was unlike anything we've ever seen.

The outrage over him leaving is rooted more in emotion than reason. At some point, people need to let it go.

And no one is arguing that he's the next Nick Saban. They're pointing out that he was the most successful coach this program has had in over half a century (at least).
 
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patdog

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Bulldawg77 said:
Mullen has let it be known hes got no interest in returning to msu until cannon is out of HS. I wouldn’t expect him back ever
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I never said I wanted him back. Or think he would come back anyway. But he was a heck of a coach when he was here. Has he really “let it be known” he wouldn’t return” though. I haven’t seen that. Are these the same sources who tell you recruiting is going great?
 
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Walkthedawg

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patdog said:
I don't worship Mullen. But if you want to talk about facts, he was the most successful coach we’ve had since WW-II and no one else is really close.
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Here's the thing. If we had a Greg Byrne making a hire I'd be all in on letting sleeping dogs lay. But we don't. This next hire needs to be a Mullen or Leach type head guy. Not another one of the three latest disasters. A fourth disaster and the program is cooked for a long time.
 
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