This sucks regarding recruiting...

dawgstudent

Heisman
Apr 15, 2003
39,846
20,215
113

I'm sure there's a thread about this already but I didn't search for it. In the top 4 - Tupelo, Ackerman and Louisville and we didn't get one of them. That's embarrassing.
 

ronpolk

All-American
May 6, 2009
9,340
5,158
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I'm sure there's a thread about this already but I didn't search for it. In the top 4 - Tupelo, Ackerman and Louisville and we didn't get one of them. That's embarrassing.
The longer we allow this Lebby experience to continue the further hole we dig ourselves in. Frankly, I’m shocked we still have people willing to give money while Lebby is the coach. It’s obvious to anyone with eyes how incompetent Lebby is.
 

Shmuley

Heisman
Mar 6, 2008
24,081
11,444
113

I'm sure there's a thread about this already but I didn't search for it. In the top 4 - Tupelo, Ackerman and Louisville and we didn't get one of them. That's embarrassing.
The ship sailed for me last year. Can’t be gone fast enough. 11/1/26.
 

8dog

All-American
Feb 23, 2008
14,686
6,780
113
Why would a high profile recruit choose MSU after watching the last 3 football seasons unless MSU offers them significantly more $ than other SEC schools? These damned kids we are recruiting were in middle school the last season that MSU football was relevant.
Recruiting MS kids is the least dependent on results. If you live and breathe recruiting and you were committed to instate relationships the list wouldn’t look like that.
 

maroontide06

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Dec 14, 2023
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The ship sailed for me last year. Can’t be gone fast enough. 11/1/26.
Shmuley if they wait until 11/1/26, that's just flat out slothful. That would be right after our 8th game against Texas. What is going to delay the inevitable before the Alabama game? I'm thinking 9/27 would be more of the correct date for something to happen.
 

Faustdog

All-Conference
Jun 4, 2007
4,083
2,481
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I think sometimes out of state coaches with no connection to MS think, "well, that's how it's supposed to be. MSU doesn't get top recruits." But that's not at all the full picture. Since Rocky Felker really, we've cleaned up with big DL's in-state. Until now that is. Now we can't get one on campus.

It takes an ******* (see Sherrill) or someone with a little arrogance (Mullen) to be successful at Mississippi State. Nice guys can win and even thrive at some places, but not here.

I like Lebby. I hope he figure out how to win on the field, and he showed signs last year. But the fact that he hasn't been able to land a big DL from 30 minutes down the road in several tries is really troubling.

Hopefully we'll get some chaos in Oxford this year and some of those doors will re-open. I do think that is a strong possibility. Those guys they signed didn't come to Oxford for a Music City Bowl under Playoff Pete.
 
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Shmuley

Heisman
Mar 6, 2008
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Shmuley if they wait until 11/1/26, that's just flat out slothful. That would be right after our 8th game against Texas. What is going to delay the inevitable before the Alabama game? I'm thinking 9/27 would be more of the correct date for something to happen.
11/1/26 has been my prediction of departure dates. Has to do with several factors. Would love for his @$$ to be gone sooner. Just don’t think our narrow-@$$ed pork palace brain trust has the stones to pull the trigger until the house is completely in flames.

We welcome a repeat of the Zach Arnett head coaching tenure come 11/1/26
 

OG Goat Holder

Heisman
Sep 30, 2022
13,269
12,182
113
There are a number of things terrible about that list, and our list:

- Yes, the obvious part, our results overall;
- Our current class has 7 of 15 from MS, that's terrible;
- Of those 7, they are a bunch of offensive guys, while Ole Miss rakes in the in-state defensive talent.

Damn near our entire high school class should be MS kids that we develop and retain. They are less likely to transfer. Getting these guys from neighboring states in this day and age is just idiotic unless they have a tie to us. Rest of our effort should be in the portal, with a little JUCO.

Side note: Brandon has 4 guys in the top 50, QB and RB committed to B1G. If they can't win the title this year, just give it up.
 

maroontide06

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Dec 14, 2023
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11/1/26 has been my prediction of departure dates. Has to do with several factors. Would love for his @$$ to be gone sooner. Just don’t think our narrow-@$$ed pork palace brain trust has the stones to pull the trigger until the house is completely in flames.

We welcome a repeat of the Zach Arnett head coaching tenure come 11/1/26
I certainly appreciate the reply. Hopefully those "factors" get the swift kick of reality sooner rather than later.
 

greenbean.sixpack

All-American
Oct 6, 2012
9,196
8,569
113
11/1/26 has been my prediction of departure dates. Has to do with several factors. Would love for his @$$ to be gone sooner. Just don’t think our narrow-@$$ed pork palace brain trust has the stones to pull the trigger until the house is completely in flames.

We welcome a repeat of the Zach Arnett head coaching tenure come 11/1/26
I love coaching searches, can we start a list of potential replacements?
 
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TheBannerM

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Nov 30, 2024
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I think Lebby prioritized retention of existing players (which other than fumbling Jayven James, we did pretty well this past off season) and signing young transfer portal kids over HS recruiting. Ole Miss has figured out how to do both, mainly by spending embracing NIL much earlier than almost anyone else and fielding much better teams. Their early success has made it easier to continue to raise more money.

Selmon understands that we have to raise money to compete in the current landscape, but he made critical errors in hiring a first-time head coach and then allowed that head coach to hire unqualified assistants.

The best way to improve recruiting is to win big this year and to field an exciting football team. Five and seven isn't going to cut it. Six and six isn't really going to move the needle that much. Win 7-8 games and hang 30-40 pts a game on folks. No outside of Starkville thinks that will happen, however.

So, the second option is fire Lebby when things fall apart again and hire someone who doesn't need training wheels. Maybe that's Mullen. Who knows if he'll be interested or if that's even a good decision.

One thing is for sure, limping along with Lebby for another year without significant improvement in wins and losses will be another wasted year at a critical time in this era of college football.
 

Seinfeld

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Nov 30, 2006
11,417
7,504
113
I think Lebby prioritized retention of existing players (which other than fumbling Jayven James, we did pretty well this past off season) and signing young transfer portal kids over HS recruiting.
I keep seeing comments similar to this, and yet we lost 39 players in the portal which was second most in the conference. The only team with more(Arkansas) fired their coach.

And yeah, BD77 will keep telling us that we kept who we wanted to keep, but man is that a lot of wasted time, money, and resources on kids that couldn’t even cut it for the currently $hittiest program in the conference
 

OG Goat Holder

Heisman
Sep 30, 2022
13,269
12,182
113
Maybe that's Mullen.
I don't think there's any way Danny Boy comes back here unless he has no other options. But I think he will. He's at that age and point in his career where he makes that last move, and if it's the right one, he could end up getting himself a championship.
 
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TheBannerM

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I keep seeing comments similar to this, and yet we lost 39 players in the portal which was second most in the conference. The only team with more(Arkansas) fired their coach.

And yeah, BD77 will keep telling us that we kept who we wanted to keep, but man is that a lot of wasted time, money, and resources on kids that couldn’t even cut it for the currently $hittiest program in the conference
I agree 100% the overwhelming bulk of the players we've lost to the portal the past two years were players who had no business being on an SEC roster. That is squarely on Lebby and Co. for piss poor portal evaluation.
 

OG Goat Holder

Heisman
Sep 30, 2022
13,269
12,182
113
I keep seeing comments similar to this, and yet we lost 39 players in the portal which was second most in the conference. The only team with more(Arkansas) fired their coach.

And yeah, BD77 will keep telling us that we kept who we wanted to keep, but man is that a lot of wasted time, money, and resources on kids that couldn’t even cut it for the currently $hittiest program in the conference
Yeah Heavy Lebby has done the opposite of retention, he ran off Leach/Arnett's young guys now he's running off his own guys

Just an awful strategy
 

60sdog

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Oct 9, 2010
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I don't think there's any way Danny Boy comes back here unless he has no other options. But I think he will. He's at that age and point in his career where he makes that last move, and if it's the right one, he could end up getting himself a championship.
No MULLEN, no way... that guy lost at least three EBs while texting during the game with other schools' Ad's, and having our team totally unprepared.
 
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patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
58,906
29,236
113
I keep seeing comments similar to this, and yet we lost 39 players in the portal which was second most in the conference. The only team with more(Arkansas) fired their coach.

And yeah, BD77 will keep telling us that we kept who we wanted to keep, but man is that a lot of wasted time, money, and resources on kids that couldn’t even cut it for the currently $hittiest program in the conference
Bottom line is as bad as the players we wanted to let leave were, the ones we brought in to replace them are barely any better.
 
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I'm sure we'll lock down the high school on campus. We're playing chess, while everyone else is playing checkers.*
 

jethreauxdawg

Heisman
Dec 20, 2010
11,211
15,273
113

I'm sure there's a thread about this already but I didn't search for it. In the top 4 - Tupelo, Ackerman and Louisville and we didn't get one of them. That's embarrassing.
It’s a shame those programs have dropped so far. They’ve just got nothing we want**
 
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Willow Grove Dawg

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Nov 3, 2016
7,987
5,428
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Jesus. How bad is it when you already have a tentative decision made on an interim coach following a mid-season firing, when the season doesn’t even kick off for 2 more months?

If this is true, WHY not just fire the guy last November?
That is a Selmon question not a question that can be logically answered on this board. I hope & MSU needs for Lebby to be successful NOW, but all the warning signs indicate otherwise.
Selmon probably did not want to be hiring a coach in the same cycle as Penn State, Virginia Tech, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Kentucky, UPIG, & Ole Miss. The competition this season will probably Florida State & USCE which should give MSU more better options.
 

horshack.sixpack

All-American
Oct 30, 2012
11,632
8,648
113
I keep seeing comments similar to this, and yet we lost 39 players in the portal which was second most in the conference. The only team with more(Arkansas) fired their coach.

And yeah, BD77 will keep telling us that we kept who we wanted to keep, but man is that a lot of wasted time, money, and resources on kids that couldn’t even cut it for the currently $hittiest program in the conference
If you misevaluated so badly that you have to encourage that many players to leave, it's still on you. No slack for Lebby until/unless he produces on field results. So far the only market he has cornered is bad in game decisions at critical times.
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
58,906
29,236
113
That is a Selmon question not a question that can be logically answered on this board. I hope & MSU needs for Lebby to be successful NOW, but all the warning signs indicate otherwise.
Selmon probably did not want to be hiring a coach in the same cycle as Penn State, Virginia Tech, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Kentucky, UPIG, & Ole Miss. The competition this season will probably Florida State & USCE which should give MSU more better options.
I think you’re giving Selmon way too much credit.
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
58,906
29,236
113
Being able to Pay players is right in OMs wheel house.
It needs to be in our wheelhouse. And it's our own fault if it's not. I really think this abysmal recruiting is about more than just money though.
 

OG Goat Holder

Heisman
Sep 30, 2022
13,269
12,182
113
Being able to Pay players is right in OMs wheel house.

State losing and having a green HC created the perfect recruiting environment for them
And worst for us.
Yeeep. Even back when we were rolling and signing most of the MS players by merit, they were still able to pluck a few.

It needs to be in our wheelhouse. And it's our own fault if it's not. I really think this abysmal recruiting is about more than just money though.
I don't think we have as much money as them, and certainly don't have the sheer number of them who are like, truly passionate about it. It's actually a little weird.

We have enough though, even if we aren't willing go fight in the streets like them.
 
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patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
58,906
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Yeeep. Even back when we were rolling and signing most of the MS players by merit, they were still able to pluck a few.


I don't think we have as much money as them, and certainly don't have the sheer number of them who are like, truly passionate about it. It's actually a little weird.

We have enough though, even if we aren't willing go fight in the streets like them.
We don't have as much money as they do. But we have enough that there's no excuse to be getting this badly this consistently.
 

Maroon13

All-Conference
Sep 29, 2022
3,876
4,004
113
I think being in the playoffs and actually advancing to the final four has a lot to do with current recruiting as well.