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Spoken like a true boomer
Not a boomer
Have said the same thing to my mid 20 kids . I proved it as well . Both my kids live on their own, daughter at 26 is buying her second home and hubby dont make a pile of money ( 70g) . I made her understand the difference between need and want . Her and my son live a very fulfilling life and money in the bank . Old school economics still work . Pack a lunch brew coffee at home will save enough money for a car payment...... ask my baby girl ..
 
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Not a boomer
Have said the same thing to my mid 20 kids . I proved it as well . Both my kids live on their own, daughter at 26 is buying her second home and hubby dont make a pile of money ( 70g) . I made her understand the difference between need and want . Her and my son live a very fulfilling life and money in the bank . Old school economics still work . Pack a lunch brew coffee at home will save enough money for a car payment...... ask my baby girl ..
I was partly joking but rinse and repeat w that type of response when you talk about the economy as if irresponsible spending is the only issue. And, agree old economics do work, but the inevitable costs of life are unpredictable and becoming more expensive. I’m not worried about my family and glad yours is doing good too.
 

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I was partly joking but rinse and repeat w that type of response when you talk about the economy as if irresponsible spending is the only issue. And, agree old economics do work, but the inevitable costs of life are unpredictable and becoming more expensive. I’m not worried about my family and glad yours is doing good too.

Name 10 things Trump has done that has helped the economy short term and long term. Lots of good things have happened so you can show you can be fair and not let Anti-American/TDS bias interfere with your judgment.
 

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I was partly joking but rinse and repeat w that type of response when you talk about the economy as if irresponsible spending is the only issue. And, agree old economics do work, but the inevitable costs of life are unpredictable and becoming more expensive. I’m not worried about my family and glad yours is doing good too.

Sounds like you, cheers, and moe.

 

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We shall see. Even prior to the war in Iran, it was following a similar progression as to what we saw during the Biden administration.

Regardless, I could give two ***** about this specific data point or any specific economic metric, and the larger argument was more about the cumulative which isn’t much different compared to Biden. FWIW, I hope we return to pre COVID levels across the board. That’s what I voted for.
That's impossible.

We spent 4 years printing trillions and giving it away/stealing it. Add doubling the minimum wage requirements, which caused the retail and the food industries to raise their prices to cover the increase payroll expenses.

Gas prices, El Nino, foreign wars. Theya re all just an excuse to raise prices. People act like when the gas prices fall, all the GMs across America will suddenly lower their prices. No. McDonalds knows its customers will pay these new higher prices so there is no reason for them to lower prices.
 
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That's impossible.

We spent 4 years printing trillions and giving it away/stealing it. Add doubling the minimum wage requirements, which caused the retail and the food industries to raise their prices to cover the increase payroll expenses.

Gas prices, El Nino, foreign wars. Theya re all just an excuse to raise prices. People act like when the gas prices fall, all the GMs across America will suddenly lower their prices. No. McDonalds knows its customers will pay these new higher prices so there is no reason for them to lower
Agreed. Highly improbable without significant deflation and broader economic distress. Multiple rounds of COVID stimulus checks didn’t help either. Definitely more wishful thinking.

I should probably edit my previous post to clarify that I believed I was voting for policies that wouldn’t continue to worsen the affordability problem.
 

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I should probably edit my previous post to clarify that I believed I was voting for policies that wouldn’t continue to worsen the affordability problem.
You are such a disingenuous person. Care to tell us specifically what policies Kamala Harris was promoting that convinced you she had a plan to lessen "affordability" problems? :unsure:

Maybe it was was her promise to eliminate domestic oil and natural gas drilling (she was for all that before she was against it 'ya know?) :rolleyes:

Kamala Flip Flops on Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

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Presidential candidate Kamala Harris’ claim that she no longer supports a ban on fracking contrasts with what she said five years ago. Just before she dropped out of the 2020 presidential race in 2019 and joined President Joe Biden’s ticket, at a CNN town hall, she made it clear that she very much supports banning hydraulic fracturing (fracking}. She said, “There’s no question I’m in favor of banning fracking and starting with what we can do on day one around public lands, right?” “Climate change is real, and it poses an existential threat to us as human beings, and it is within our power to do something about it,” she said. “I am supporting the Green New Deal.”
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The reality is that banning fracking would impact billions of dollars in revenue, destroy thousands of jobs and drive up the cost of everything, as the Department of Energy estimates 95 percent of all new wells are hydraulically fractured.

...more

The Biden-Harris administration used every regulatory tool available to curtail oil and gas production. Days after taking office, President Biden imposed a moratorium on new lease sales on federal lands. After this was blocked in court, his Administration slow-walked drilling permits and auctions. The Environmental Protection Agency tightened methane regulations, increasing production costs and making some wells uneconomic. The White House also directed federal agencies to incorporate climate estimates in environmental reviews so they can block fossil-fuel projects solely because of carbon dioxide emissions.

Now tell us @ChucktownWillie what did Kamala Harris offer that would reduce energy costs (one of the primary drivers of "affordability" you dishonest Dems keep screaming about today right?)
 

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That's impossible.

We spent 4 years printing trillions and giving it away/stealing it. Add doubling the minimum wage requirements, which caused the retail and the food industries to raise their prices to cover the increase payroll expenses.

Gas prices, El Nino, foreign wars. Theya re all just an excuse to raise prices. People act like when the gas prices fall, all the GMs across America will suddenly lower their prices. No. McDonalds knows its customers will pay these new higher prices so there is no reason for them to lower prices.
Some of that is true, however the market is more powerful than any individual greedy business owners. In terms of gasoline prices, if someone is selling at a lower price, their nearest competition will likely match that.

Market competition usually drives market prices. I see it in the auto industry...when we face competition (particularly in the entry level models) we are forced to reduce our prices to maintain market share. Gasoline prices won't drop overnight, but eventually greater supply will force retailers to drop their prices to maintain market share.

The same rules apply to general retailers.
 

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Regardless, I could give two ***** about this specific data point or any specific economic metric, and the larger argument was more about the cumulative which isn’t much different compared to Biden.
Damn my man, instead of trying to reason away your hatred for Trump, why don't you take this opportunity to lay out for us on the OT forum some simple-to-understand policies opposite of Biden's disaster that motivated your vote for Kamala Harris in 24? She in fact was asked specifically "what will you do differently than Biden if you're elected?" and she answered "not a damn thing" (I'm paraphrasing here) but she did say there wasn't much she'd change. That's a fact my man!

Kamala asked if she would change any of Biden's policies: 'There is not a thing that comes to mind'


So tell us @ChucktownWillie ...what exactly did Kamala say to you during her '24 run against Trump that convinced you that her administration would have been any better than the disaster we had under Biden the previous 4 years?

This is what YOU said you voted for:
ChucktownWillie said:
"I should probably edit my previous post to clarify that I believed I was voting for policies that wouldn’t continue to worsen the affordability problem."

OK fair enough...so tell us....what were those policies? :unsure:

@ChucktownWillie ...searching for an answer
 
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You are such a disingenuous person. Care to tell us specifically what policies Kamala Harris was promoting that convinced you she had a plan to lessen "affordability" problems? :unsure:

Maybe it was was her promise to eliminate domestic oil and natural gas drilling (she was for all that before she was against it 'ya know?) :rolleyes:

Kamala Flip Flops on Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

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Presidential candidate Kamala Harris’ claim that she no longer supports a ban on fracking contrasts with what she said five years ago. Just before she dropped out of the 2020 presidential race in 2019 and joined President Joe Biden’s ticket, at a CNN town hall, she made it clear that she very much supports banning hydraulic fracturing (fracking}. She said, “There’s no question I’m in favor of banning fracking and starting with what we can do on day one around public lands, right?” “Climate change is real, and it poses an existential threat to us as human beings, and it is within our power to do something about it,” she said. “I am supporting the Green New Deal.”
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The reality is that banning fracking would impact billions of dollars in revenue, destroy thousands of jobs and drive up the cost of everything, as the Department of Energy estimates 95 percent of all new wells are hydraulically fractured.

...more

The Biden-Harris administration used every regulatory tool available to curtail oil and gas production. Days after taking office, President Biden imposed a moratorium on new lease sales on federal lands. After this was blocked in court, his Administration slow-walked drilling permits and auctions. The Environmental Protection Agency tightened methane regulations, increasing production costs and making some wells uneconomic. The White House also directed federal agencies to incorporate climate estimates in environmental reviews so they can block fossil-fuel projects solely because of carbon dioxide emissions.

Now tell us @ChucktownWillie what did Kamala Harris offer that would reduce energy costs (one of the primary drivers of "affordability" you dishonest Dems keep screaming about today right?)
hey bud, I didn’t vote for Kamala. She ran on an extension of Biden’s already failed policy and offered no new solutions. Trump ran on affordability, energy independence, and no new wars, which were the most important issues to me. I strongly disagree w the war in Iran and the economic impacts that it’s continued to drive, as I’ve indicated in this thread. Also, disagreed on tariffs. Domestically, I generally align with Republicans on social and fiscal policies. I’m not sure why that’s so hard to grasp.
 

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Some of that is true, however the market is more powerful than any individual greedy business owners. In terms of gasoline prices, if someone is selling at a lower price, their nearest competition will likely match that.

Market competition usually drives market prices. I see it in the auto industry...when we face competition (particularly in the entry level models) we are forced to reduce our prices to maintain market share. Gasoline prices won't drop overnight, but eventually greater supply will force retailers to drop their prices to maintain market share.

The same rules apply to general retailers.
We'll see.

In 2019 the price of a Big Mac was $4.63. It is $6.11 today. That is a 30% increase and way above inflation. If you are correct, we will see it fall but I am confident we will never see it below $5 again unless it is on sale.
 

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hey bud, I didn’t vote for Kamala. She ran on an extension of Biden’s already failed policy and offered no new solutions. Trump ran on affordability, energy independence, and no new wars, which were the most important issues to me. I strongly disagree w the war in Iran and the economic impacts that it’s continued to drive, as I’ve indicated in this thread. Also, disagreed on tariffs. Domestically, I generally align with Republicans on social and fiscal policies. I’m not sure why that’s so hard to grasp.
So if you voted for Trump and his MAGA agenda, then what the Hell are you complaining about?

Energy independence?
US becomes world's largest oil exporter amid Iran war:
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The turnaround is striking when you consider where the US stood not long ago. Decades of dependence on Middle Eastern oil, including a painful Arab oil embargo in 1973 that punished Washington for backing Israel, left deep scars on American energy policy. That vulnerability shaped foreign policy decisions for years

On "affordability"... incomes, & investments, are going up, homes prices & mortgage interest rates are coming down....even inflation has gradually cooled, only recently spiking due to the conflict over Iran.

"Nationally, list prices are already down 2.4% year over year in May, the steepest annual decline in our data going back to 2017.

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Home prices have cooled despite elevated interest rates, which may stay stuck around 6.5% or higher. "If mortgage rates stay near their current levels, expect asking prices to keep softening and sale prices to follow with a lag," says Realtor.com Senior Economist Jake Krimmel. "Nationally, list prices are already down 2.4% year over year in May, the steepest annual decline in our data going back to 2017. And unlike many recent housing trends, this is broad-based, not a regional story. Prices are falling in 41 of the top 50 metros and across all four major regions."

As far as inflation....the current numbers are not great, but they're still much better than what we had the past 4 years under President "autopen"!

Breaking Down Inflation Under Trump vs. Biden

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During Donald Trump’s presidency from 2017 to early 2021, inflation remained relatively low and stable. Annual inflation, as measured by the Consumer Price Index (CPI), hovered around 2% or lower for most of his term. In 2020, inflation dropped to just 1.2% due to the economic slowdown brought on by the COVID-19 pandemic. The Federal Reserve continued its low-interest-rate policies during this period, and core inflation stayed subdued even as the economy expanded prior to the pandemic.

Trump’s economic agenda during his first term emphasized tax reductions, deregulation and increased use of tariffs. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 helped stimulate consumer spending and business investment, though overall inflation remained relatively subdued during this period. Tariffs imposed on Chinese goods and other imports contributed to higher prices in certain sectors, but their impact on overall inflation was modest.

You mentioned the War with Iran, but that chapter is hopefully coming to a successful conclusion, so in my opinion it's not fair to doom Trump's whole Presidency based on this short term conflict which arguably is in the best long term interests for the US from both a Foreign policy as well as geo- political economic policy! Unless you disagree with Trump that "Iran cannot be allowed to have a Nuclear weapon" to carry out it's promise of "Death to America", then you honestly should be in support of Trump's strategic objective in eliminating that threat!

His tactics may not be to your liking, but in terms of achieving his overall strategic objective...a vote for Trump was a vote for a stable Middle East free from attacks around the globe by the #1 sponsor of international terrorism!

On tariffs, unless you oppose more US based manufacturing, and fairer trade deals protecting our domestic manufacturers selling overseas...the increased tariffs are working.

US tariffs: What’s the impact on global trade and the economy?
  • Foreign companies can qualify for a 10% duty rate if their capital equipment contains at least 85% U.S. steel or aluminum by weight, down from 95% previously. (“The move, in theory, encourages foreign companies to use more U.S. steel and aluminum, which could drive incremental exports, while also supporting farmers, construction, logistics and manufacturers that rely on equipment currently treated as steel or aluminum derivatives,” said Bill Peterson, senior analyst for Metals & Mining at J.P. Morgan.)
  • IEEPA refunds are underway, with U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) reporting that it has accepted $85 billion in potential and certified refund applications as of May 26 — with $21 billion already paid out.
  • The U.S. has announced a probe into the “acts, policies and practices” of 60 trading partners — including China, the EU and India — which could result in new tariffs. This is being carried out under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974, which authorizes investigations into whether U.S. trading partners employ practices that unfairly burden or restrict U.S. commerce
  • The Trump administration has said that it will no longer impose new tariffs on eight European countries, after establishing a framework with NATO for a future deal regarding Greenland. “Tensions have eased again, likely reflecting a combination of opposition in the U.S. Congress, skeptical U.S. public opinion, proposals made by NATO secretary general Mark Rutte to Trump on Greenland
  • Following the meeting between U.S. President Trump and China’s President Xi, the two countries have announced a new truce. Under the agreement, the U.S. will reduce fentanyl-related tariffs from 20% to 10% and suspend the 24% reciprocal tariff for one year, lowering the effective U.S. tariff rate on Chinese goods from 42% to 32%. China will also suspend its retaliatory tariffs from 2025.
You can read the rest of this analysis for yourself...but the bottom line is this:
The use of tariffs has NOT increased the overall prices of finished goods and services, and the US has brought in much more in terms of foreign investments and additional revenue to the treasury as a direct result of the tariffs.
(from AI sources)
"Yes, tariffs have significantly increased revenue for the U.S. government. In 2025, the federal government raised approximately $264 billion from customs duties, which was about $185 billion more than in 2024."

You can look up the actual numbers for yourself, but my point is if you are against the tariffs, you can't then also be against the improvements they have contributed to the overall U.S. economy!

So your arguments to me at least make no sense, outside of an irrational hatred for Trump. On the very policies you claimed in your post you voted for Trump to pursue, he has delivered effective results you simply cannot ignore.

That's why I'm confused over your hand wringing over the Iran conflict? What's not to like about eliminating the #1 sponsor of international terrorism who stated "Death to America" and has worked for the past four decades to kill Americans and attack our allies all over the Globe?

Who's side are you on anyway? :unsure:
 

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We'll see.

In 2019 the price of a Big Mac was $4.63. It is $6.11 today. That is a 30% increase and way above inflation. If you are correct, we will see it fall but I am confident we will never see it below $5 again unless it is on sale.
Prices gradually increase because of a variety of factors...labor costs (minimum wage increases) have had a huge impact on fast food prices.

I'd argue further automation, "AI" and increased competition from independent, specialized food service restaurants will either force McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King et all to lower their prices, or face continued loss of market share.

Several Burger Kings, Hardees, KFCs, Krystals, and other fast food chains have been closing their stores recently here in Metro Atlanta because of stiffer competition from smaller, cheaper (and better) local fast food competition. So McDonalds can charge over 5.00 all they want for a Big Mac...that doesn't mean folks have to buy it, especially when they have better (and in some cases cheaper) options.
 
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Prices gradually increase because of a variety of factors...labor costs have had a huge impact of fast food prices. I'd argue further automation
Exactly. We doubled McDonalds' largest expense and there is no increase in revenue to cover it. Now we are told gas prices are the problem, but watch what happens when we see $270 gas again. That Big Mac won't fall.

In other words, gas is an excuse to permanently raise prices.
 

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Exactly. We doubled McDonalds' largest expense and there is no increase in revenue to cover it. Now we are told gas prices are the problem, but watch what happens when we see $270 gas again. That Big Mac won't fall.

In other words, gas is an excuse to permanently raise prices.
I don't disagree with you we're getting gouged at the gas pump, but I trust the market. Prices eventually come down to what most folks can both afford and are willing to pay.
 

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hey bud, I didn’t vote for Kamala. She ran on an extension of Biden’s already failed policy and offered no new solutions. Trump ran on affordability, energy independence, and no new wars, which were the most important issues to me. I strongly disagree w the war in Iran and the economic impacts that it’s continued to drive, as I’ve indicated in this thread. Also, disagreed on tariffs. Domestically, I generally align with Republicans on social and fiscal policies. I’m not sure why that’s so hard to grasp


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So if you voted for Trump and his MAGA agenda, then what the Hell are you complaining about?

Energy independence?
US becomes world's largest oil exporter amid Iran war:
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The turnaround is striking when you consider where the US stood not long ago. Decades of dependence on Middle Eastern oil, including a painful Arab oil embargo in 1973 that punished Washington for backing Israel, left deep scars on American energy policy. That vulnerability shaped foreign policy decisions for years

On "affordability"... incomes, & investments, are going up, homes prices & mortgage interest rates are coming down....even inflation has gradually cooled, only recently spiking due to the conflict over Iran.

"Nationally, list prices are already down 2.4% year over year in May, the steepest annual decline in our data going back to 2017.

excerpt:
Home prices have cooled despite elevated interest rates, which may stay stuck around 6.5% or higher. "If mortgage rates stay near their current levels, expect asking prices to keep softening and sale prices to follow with a lag," says Realtor.com Senior Economist Jake Krimmel. "Nationally, list prices are already down 2.4% year over year in May, the steepest annual decline in our data going back to 2017. And unlike many recent housing trends, this is broad-based, not a regional story. Prices are falling in 41 of the top 50 metros and across all four major regions."

As far as inflation....the current numbers are not great, but they're still much better than what we had the past 4 years under President "autopen"!

Breaking Down Inflation Under Trump vs. Biden

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During Donald Trump’s presidency from 2017 to early 2021, inflation remained relatively low and stable. Annual inflation, as measured by the Consumer Price Index (CPI), hovered around 2% or lower for most of his term. In 2020, inflation dropped to just 1.2% due to the economic slowdown brought on by the COVID-19 pandemic. The Federal Reserve continued its low-interest-rate policies during this period, and core inflation stayed subdued even as the economy expanded prior to the pandemic.

Trump’s economic agenda during his first term emphasized tax reductions, deregulation and increased use of tariffs. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 helped stimulate consumer spending and business investment, though overall inflation remained relatively subdued during this period. Tariffs imposed on Chinese goods and other imports contributed to higher prices in certain sectors, but their impact on overall inflation was modest.

You mentioned the War with Iran, but that chapter is hopefully coming to a successful conclusion, so in my opinion it's not fair to doom Trump's whole Presidency based on this short term conflict which arguably is in the best long term interests for the US from both a Foreign policy as well as geo- political economic policy! Unless you disagree with Trump that "Iran cannot be allowed to have a Nuclear weapon" to carry out it's promise of "Death to America", then you honestly should be in support of Trump's strategic objective in eliminating that threat!

His tactics may not be to your liking, but in terms of achieving his overall strategic objective...a vote for Trump was a vote for a stable Middle East free from attacks around the globe by the #1 sponsor of international terrorism!

On tariffs, unless you oppose more US based manufacturing, and fairer trade deals protecting our domestic manufacturers selling overseas...the increased tariffs are working.

US tariffs: What’s the impact on global trade and the economy?
  • Foreign companies can qualify for a 10% duty rate if their capital equipment contains at least 85% U.S. steel or aluminum by weight, down from 95% previously. (“The move, in theory, encourages foreign companies to use more U.S. steel and aluminum, which could drive incremental exports, while also supporting farmers, construction, logistics and manufacturers that rely on equipment currently treated as steel or aluminum derivatives,” said Bill Peterson, senior analyst for Metals & Mining at J.P. Morgan.)
  • IEEPA refunds are underway, with U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) reporting that it has accepted $85 billion in potential and certified refund applications as of May 26 — with $21 billion already paid out.
  • The U.S. has announced a probe into the “acts, policies and practices” of 60 trading partners — including China, the EU and India — which could result in new tariffs. This is being carried out under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974, which authorizes investigations into whether U.S. trading partners employ practices that unfairly burden or restrict U.S. commerce
  • The Trump administration has said that it will no longer impose new tariffs on eight European countries, after establishing a framework with NATO for a future deal regarding Greenland. “Tensions have eased again, likely reflecting a combination of opposition in the U.S. Congress, skeptical U.S. public opinion, proposals made by NATO secretary general Mark Rutte to Trump on Greenland
  • Following the meeting between U.S. President Trump and China’s President Xi, the two countries have announced a new truce. Under the agreement, the U.S. will reduce fentanyl-related tariffs from 20% to 10% and suspend the 24% reciprocal tariff for one year, lowering the effective U.S. tariff rate on Chinese goods from 42% to 32%. China will also suspend its retaliatory tariffs from 2025.
You can read the rest of this analysis for yourself...but the bottom line is this:
The use of tariffs has NOT increased the overall prices of finished goods and services, and the US has brought in much more in terms of foreign investments and additional revenue to the treasury as a direct result of the tariffs.
(from AI sources)
"Yes, tariffs have significantly increased revenue for the U.S. government. In 2025, the federal government raised approximately $264 billion from customs duties, which was about $185 billion more than in 2024."

You can look up the actual numbers for yourself, but my point is if you are against the tariffs, you can't then also be against the improvements they have contributed to the overall U.S. economy!

So your arguments to me at least make no sense, outside of an irrational hatred for Trump. On the very policies you claimed in your post you voted for Trump to pursue, he has delivered effective results you simply cannot ignore.

That's why I'm confused over your hand wringing over the Iran conflict? What's not to like about eliminating the #1 sponsor of international terrorism who stated "Death to America" and has worked for the past four decades to kill Americans and attack our allies all over the Globe?

Who's side are you on anyway? :unsure:
Brother, I think we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on the success of Trump’s second term. Nothing I’m going to say is going to do anything to change your mind and vice versa. The big areas where I feel Trump has met expectations for what I voted for is immigration and energy dependence. But, economically and foreign policy - I continue to be disappointed. Tariffs are an additional tax on US citizens - that’s a fact. I understand the rationale but I don’t agree with it and haven’t seen any evidence it’s driving the intended results. As for Iran, I’ve voiced my thoughts in this thread, so I’m not going to rehash and I’m glad there’s a deal in place to hopefully bring it to an end.

As for the man himself, you’re right - I don’t like Trump. I don’t think that’s a surprise to anyone. I think he’s egotistical, corrupt, and at the end of the day Trump is about Trump. That has evolved over time as I didn’t feel that way to same extent during his first term, but in his second term it’s become increasingly evident he only cares about enriching himself. Truthfully, that’s probably the case for most, if not all, politicians. At one point in time, I thought he would actually “Drain the Swamp”, now I think he’s become a part of it. Regardless, I still agree with a lot Republican policies (I.e., lower taxes, strong borders, law enforcement, etc.) and my feelings towards Trump doesn’t change that.

 

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Brother, I think we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on the success of Trump’s second term. Nothing I’m going to say is going to do anything to change your mind and vice versa. The big areas where I feel Trump has met expectations for what I voted for is immigration and energy dependence. But, economically and foreign policy - I continue to be disappointed. Tariffs are an additional tax on US citizens - that’s a fact. I understand the rationale but I don’t agree with it and haven’t seen any evidence it’s driving the intended results. As for Iran, I’ve voiced my thoughts in this thread, so I’m not going to rehash and I’m glad there’s a deal in place to hopefully bring it to an end.

As for the man himself, you’re right - I don’t like Trump. I don’t think that’s a surprise to anyone. I think he’s egotistical, corrupt, and at the end of the day Trump is about Trump. That has evolved over time as I didn’t feel that way to same extent during his first term, but in his second term it’s become increasingly evident he only cares about enriching himself. Truthfully, that’s probably the case for most, if not all, politicians. At one point in time, I thought he would actually “Drain the Swamp”, now I think he’s become a part of it. Regardless, I still agree with a lot Republican policies (I.e., lower taxes, strong borders, law enforcement, etc.) and my feelings towards Trump doesn’t change that.

OK, you're right we just have to agree to disagree about Trump. As for the specific policies you claimed to vote for, I tried to lay out how they've been mostly successful. Did you ever stop to consider we're still paying less for finished goods and services on average than we paid under creepy Joe without the higher tariffs?

I also included how in many cases the initial higher tariffs have been lowered as Foreign traders have agreed to lower their tariffs charged to us! So we'll just agree to disagree. As things improve for our economy, I hope you will join us in celebrating for All Americans and not just continuing to bash Trump because he's "not a nice man" 😉
 

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Brother, I think we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on the success of Trump’s second term. Nothing I’m going to say is going to do anything to change your mind and vice versa. The big areas where I feel Trump has met expectations for what I voted for is immigration and energy dependence. But, economically and foreign policy - I continue to be disappointed. Tariffs are an additional tax on US citizens - that’s a fact. I understand the rationale but I don’t agree with it and haven’t seen any evidence it’s driving the intended results. As for Iran, I’ve voiced my thoughts in this thread, so I’m not going to rehash and I’m glad there’s a deal in place to hopefully bring it to an end.

As for the man himself, you’re right - I don’t like Trump. I don’t think that’s a surprise to anyone. I think he’s egotistical, corrupt, and at the end of the day Trump is about Trump. That has evolved over time as I didn’t feel

Center for American progress (which you're quoting here) is nothing but a Left wing hack rag. How in Hell are you a supporter of free market Capitalism quoting that Socialist scribe? Please, don't insult our Intelligence on the OT forum while you're straight up lying to us?
 
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I was partly joking but rinse and repeat w that type of response when you talk about the economy as if irresponsible spending is the only issue. And, agree old economics do work, but the inevitable costs of life are unpredictable and becoming more expensive. I’m not worried about my family and glad yours is doing good too.
Definitely.... irresponsible spending has crippled us. Add in fraud and the trillions add up
 

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People can say whatever they want on here, but in terms of believing whatever they say, this BS meter is on point with @ChucktownWillie . He says he voted for Trump and generally supports GOP policies but he's quoting one of THE most radical Left wing fish wraps out there..."The Center for American progress" :rolleyes:

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Center for American Progress is rated as Lean Left on the political spectrum. This rating reflects the organization's approach. Content produced by Center for American Progress may present information in a way that favors liberal viewpoints. In summary, Center for American Progress is more aligned with left-leaning perspectives.

@ChucktownWillie wants the OT forum to believe he supports GOP policies but he quotes a far Left wing rag to make his points? :unsure:

Hey DJT, do you believe @ChucktownWillie who says he voted for YOU?
 
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People can say whatever they want on here, but in terms of believing whatever they say, this BS meter is on point with @ChucktownWillie . He says he voted for Trump and generally supports GOP policies but he's quoting one of THE most radical Left wing fish wraps out there..."The Center for American progress" :rolleyes:

(from AI sources)

Center for American Progress is rated as Lean Left on the political spectrum. This rating reflects the organization's approach. Content produced by Center for American Progress may present information in a way that favors liberal viewpoints. In summary, Center for American Progress is more aligned with left-leaning perspectives.

@ChucktownWillie wants the OT forum to believe he supports GOP policies but he quotes a far Left wing rag to make his points? :unsure:

Hey DJT, do you believe @ChucktownWillie who says he voted for YOU?
Jesus man why don’t you find evidence for me that indicates tariffs have brought back manufacturing jobs as intended?




 
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Jesus man why don’t you find evidence for me that indicates tariffs have brought back manufacturing jobs as intended?



Because money talks...and the money is coming to America my friend.

Foreign Factory Boom: How Tariffs Are Bringing Manufacturing Back to America

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A quiet revolution is reshaping American manufacturing as foreign companies invest billions of dollars in building factories on U.S. soil, not out of patriotic sentiment but as a calculated strategy to circumvent the complex web of tariffs that has defined trade policy over the past decade. This “tariff dodge” phenomenon has unleashed an unprecedented wave of foreign direct investment, with over $200 billion committed to U.S. manufacturing facilities since 2022 as companies from China, South Korea, Germany, and other nations discover that building American factories is often more cost-effective than paying escalating import duties on finished goods.

I quoted this same article earlier in the thread, but you obviously missed it preferring instead to quote the Left wing hype rag "Center for American progress" :rolleyes:

Now do me a favor Bro...our Mountaineers are coming now and I'm watching the ball game on my laptop. So leave me alone for the next 3 hours with your subterfuge that you support Trump and the GOP, then maybe after we put Troy away I can continue eviscerating your lies & dishonesty.
 

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You are such a disingenuous person. Care to tell us specifically what policies Kamala Harris was promoting that convinced you she had a plan to lessen "affordability" problems? :unsure:

Maybe it was was her promise to eliminate domestic oil and natural gas drilling (she was for all that before she was against it 'ya know?) :rolleyes:

Kamala Flip Flops on Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

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Presidential candidate Kamala Harris’ claim that she no longer supports a ban on fracking contrasts with what she said five years ago. Just before she dropped out of the 2020 presidential race in 2019 and joined President Joe Biden’s ticket, at a CNN town hall, she made it clear that she very much supports banning hydraulic fracturing (fracking}. She said, “There’s no question I’m in favor of banning fracking and starting with what we can do on day one around public lands, right?” “Climate change is real, and it poses an existential threat to us as human beings, and it is within our power to do something about it,” she said. “I am supporting the Green New Deal.”
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The reality is that banning fracking would impact billions of dollars in revenue, destroy thousands of jobs and drive up the cost of everything, as the Department of Energy estimates 95 percent of all new wells are hydraulically fractured.

...more

The Biden-Harris administration used every regulatory tool available to curtail oil and gas production. Days after taking office, President Biden imposed a moratorium on new lease sales on federal lands. After this was blocked in court, his Administration slow-walked drilling permits and auctions. The Environmental Protection Agency tightened methane regulations, increasing production costs and making some wells uneconomic. The White House also directed federal agencies to incorporate climate estimates in environmental reviews so they can block fossil-fuel projects solely because of carbon dioxide emissions.

Now tell us @ChucktownWillie what did Kamala Harris offer that would reduce energy costs (one of the primary drivers of "affordability" you dishonest Dems keep screaming about today right?)
He voted for Trump.
 
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Because money talks...and the money is coming to America my friend.

Foreign Factory Boom: How Tariffs Are Bringing Manufacturing Back to America

excerpt:
A quiet revolution is reshaping American manufacturing as foreign companies invest billions of dollars in building factories on U.S. soil, not out of patriotic sentiment but as a calculated strategy to circumvent the complex web of tariffs that has defined trade policy over the past decade. This “tariff dodge” phenomenon has unleashed an unprecedented wave of foreign direct investment, with over $200 billion committed to U.S. manufacturing facilities since 2022 as companies from China, South Korea, Germany, and other nations discover that building American factories is often more cost-effective than paying escalating import duties on finished goods.

I quoted this same article earlier in the thread, but you obviously missed it preferring instead to quote the Left wing hype rag "Center for American progress" :rolleyes:

Now do me a favor Bro...our Mountaineers are coming now and I'm watching the ball game on my laptop. So leave me alone for the next 3 hours with your subterfuge that you support Trump and the GOP, then maybe after we put Troy away I can continue eviscerating your lies & dishonesty.
I’m sorry I didn’t capture every element of your 10 paragraphs above. Anyways, this is mostly detailing broad investment from some random editorial I’ve never heard of. The job creation components are mostly projection vs facts. I posted facts in my previous post - you should check those out and study up on what that means.

Also, you’re the one that can’t help but to respond to every single one of my posts. That’s why I call you and Gunny the MAGA bots - tweedledee and tweedledum.
 

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Jesus man why don’t you find evidence for me that indicates tariffs have brought back manufacturing jobs as intended?






PBS??? There's a reason nobody wants to fund them anymore except leftwing boomers.
 
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This group of retards definitely sounds like some on here that I constantly warn.




WASHINGTON — Fanatical TikTokkers armed with assault rifles plotted to attack the UFC Freedom 250 at the White House South Lawn Sunday night — after revving each other up over Jeffrey Epstein, billionaires, Israel and a hatred of President Trump, according to court papers and sources who spoke with The Post.

The multi-phase plot called for explosive drones to strike the South Lawn during the event, forcing attendees to flee outside the White House where a sniper team could pick them off, officials and prosecutors said.

The FBI foiled the zealots’ plans by infiltrating Signal chat groups where they were planning “a coordinated attack” to kill President Trumo and other government officials, according to federal criminal complaints and affidavits unsealed Tuesday.

The “ultra-religious” guerillas espoused “anti-government” or anti-Israel views and had initially started plotting in a TikTok group called “Vanguard of the Old” in March 2026 before moving conversations to a private Signal group called “Hunters.”

The quintet was charged in at least four states — California, Ohio, Missouri, and Nebraska — with conspiring to murder members of the government and others after the parent of one alerted local police.

President Trump, Vice President JD Vance, tech billionaire Elon Musk and Israeli Prime Minister were all named as potential targets, in addition to members of Congress and a West Virginia state lawmaker, according to court docs.


As many and as deadly as we can get,” said suspected ringleader, Abraham Hermosillo Alvara, in one of the messages

Another, Tycen Proper, was arrested on June 10 after his mother notified the Danville, Ohio, Police Department and Knox County Sheriff’s Office of concerns about her son’s recent “firearms purchases and communicating with certain individuals online,” according to an affidavit filed in the Southern District of Ohio.

Those persons “claimed to be ex-military and Christian-based,” the mother later said in a phone interview with an FBI task force officer.

Their “grievances” included “government corruption, the handling of the [Jeffrey] Epstein files, data centers taking up all the water in communities, and other government actions,” as well as “billionaires” and “capitalist elites.”

Proper’s mother had overheard him speaking on the phone and mentioning that he was undergoing physical training for “recon” and “hit and run missions,” which she understood to mean “conducting shootings.”

Her son had been leaning “heavily” into his Christian beliefs, but she expressed that those in the chat groups had been “using religion to manipulate and influence her son,” the affidavit stated.

In one of the private chat groups, the suspects debated targeting Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.), Sen. Jim Justice (R-W.Va.), Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), as well as West Virginia GOP Reps. Carol Miller, Riley Moore and state delegate Tristan Leavitt.

As many and as deadly as we can get,” said suspected ringleader, Abraham Hermosillo Alvara, in one of the messages

Another, Tycen Proper, was arrested on June 10 after his mother notified the Danville, Ohio, Police Department and Knox County Sheriff’s Office of concerns about her son’s recent “firearms purchases and communicating with certain individuals online,” according to an affidavit filed in the Southern District of Ohio.

Those persons “claimed to be ex-military and Christian-based,” the mother later said in a phone interview with an FBI task force officer.

When executing a search warrant on the home where Proper lived with his parents, FBI agents and local law enforcement found a “large quantity of boxes of spent ammunition,” “spent cartridge casings,” and “other tactical clothing.

Family members also drew the authorities’ attention to comments Proper had made online expressing sympathy for Nazi leader Adolf Hitler, as well as other antisemitic statements


Proper recently spent $3,000 of his high school “graduation money” on “camping gear, food, ballistic plates, a new shotgun, a rifle, ‘lots’ of ammunition, extra magazines, and plate carriers,” his father also told authorities.

Proper confessed to investigators in a June 11 interview that he had been planning the “coordinated” attack with others to “jumpstart” a revolution in the US, because they believed the country “was headed in the wrong direction” and “needed to be torn down so that it could be rebuilt.”
 
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This group of retards definitely sounds like some on here that I constantly warn.




WASHINGTON — Fanatical TikTokkers armed with assault rifles plotted to attack the UFC Freedom 250 at the White House South Lawn Sunday night — after revving each other up over Jeffrey Epstein, billionaires, Israel and a hatred of President Trump, according to court papers and sources who spoke with The Post.

The multi-phase plot called for explosive drones to strike the South Lawn during the event, forcing attendees to flee outside the White House where a sniper team could pick them off, officials and prosecutors said.

The FBI foiled the zealots’ plans by infiltrating Signal chat groups where they were planning “a coordinated attack” to kill President Trumo and other government officials, according to federal criminal complaints and affidavits unsealed Tuesday.

The “ultra-religious” guerillas espoused “anti-government” or anti-Israel views and had initially started plotting in a TikTok group called “Vanguard of the Old” in March 2026 before moving conversations to a private Signal group called “Hunters.”

The quintet was charged in at least four states — California, Ohio, Missouri, and Nebraska — with conspiring to murder members of the government and others after the parent of one alerted local police.

President Trump, Vice President JD Vance, tech billionaire Elon Musk and Israeli Prime Minister were all named as potential targets, in addition to members of Congress and a West Virginia state lawmaker, according to court docs.


As many and as deadly as we can get,” said suspected ringleader, Abraham Hermosillo Alvara, in one of the messages

Another, Tycen Proper, was arrested on June 10 after his mother notified the Danville, Ohio, Police Department and Knox County Sheriff’s Office of concerns about her son’s recent “firearms purchases and communicating with certain individuals online,” according to an affidavit filed in the Southern District of Ohio.

Those persons “claimed to be ex-military and Christian-based,” the mother later said in a phone interview with an FBI task force officer.

Their “grievances” included “government corruption, the handling of the [Jeffrey] Epstein files, data centers taking up all the water in communities, and other government actions,” as well as “billionaires” and “capitalist elites.”

Proper’s mother had overheard him speaking on the phone and mentioning that he was undergoing physical training for “recon” and “hit and run missions,” which she understood to mean “conducting shootings.”

Her son had been leaning “heavily” into his Christian beliefs, but she expressed that those in the chat groups had been “using religion to manipulate and influence her son,” the affidavit stated.

In one of the private chat groups, the suspects debated targeting Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.), Sen. Jim Justice (R-W.Va.), Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), as well as West Virginia GOP Reps. Carol Miller, Riley Moore and state delegate Tristan Leavitt.

As many and as deadly as we can get,” said suspected ringleader, Abraham Hermosillo Alvara, in one of the messages

Another, Tycen Proper, was arrested on June 10 after his mother notified the Danville, Ohio, Police Department and Knox County Sheriff’s Office of concerns about her son’s recent “firearms purchases and communicating with certain individuals online,” according to an affidavit filed in the Southern District of Ohio.

Those persons “claimed to be ex-military and Christian-based,” the mother later said in a phone interview with an FBI task force officer.

When executing a search warrant on the home where Proper lived with his parents, FBI agents and local law enforcement found a “large quantity of boxes of spent ammunition,” “spent cartridge casings,” and “other tactical clothing.

Family members also drew the authorities’ attention to comments Proper had made online expressing sympathy for Nazi leader Adolf Hitler, as well as other antisemitic statements


Proper recently spent $3,000 of his high school “graduation money” on “camping gear, food, ballistic plates, a new shotgun, a rifle, ‘lots’ of ammunition, extra magazines, and plate carriers,” his father also told authorities.

Proper confessed to investigators in a June 11 interview that he had been planning the “coordinated” attack with others to “jumpstart” a revolution in the US, because they believed the country “was headed in the wrong direction” and “needed to be torn down so that it could be rebuilt.”

 
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He voted for Trump.
Meh...I honestly don't believe him. No one who supports Trump and his re-configured GOP calls voters who support the MAGA agenda "Maga bots" as he did. Maybe he favors some of what Trump ran on, but I find it hard to believe he actually cast a vote for him.

I could be wrong, but he sure sounds like many of the whinny anti-Trump hating Leftists who regularly post on this forum. :rolleyes:
 
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you’re the one that can’t help but to respond to every single one of my posts. That’s why I call you and Gunny the MAGA bots - tweedledee and tweedledum.
Every post I make to you is in response to something you've said to me, so if you're worried about my responses to you who has control over that? If @Gunny46 and myself are "tweedledee and tweedledum" then is it Ok if I call you "tweedledumer"? :unsure:
 

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PBS??? There's a reason nobody wants to fund them anymore except leftwing boomers.
Exactly! Why does he only quote Left wing sources like PBS, or Politico to prove his point if he's a major supporter in general of GOP policies? It's one thing to be against the tariffs. (I was against them initially...who wants higher taxes?) However at the worst you could say it's cost some of our manufacturers' jobs having to pay more to sell overseas. Yet on the other hand it's brought in significantly more money to the Treasury, and prices have not exploded as predicted. (that's one big reason why I changed my mind about them)

On the flip side, at the very least you can acknowledge the tariffs have also sparked a massive influx of new investment capital to America so Foreigners can make more things here which offsets many of those domestic job losses! Also many other countries have now agreed to lower the tariffs they were charging our companies to sell to them, so in many cases their expenses selling overseas have dropped! That little tidbit rarely gets mentioned by the anti-tariff malcontents.

You simply can't ignore those positive benefits from the tariffs while only pointing out the negative results unless you just hate Trump and need any reason to bash him.
 
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this is mostly detailing broad investment from some random editorial I’ve never heard of. The job creation components are mostly projection vs facts.
No it isn't, that information comes from the actual investment plans of several multi-national corporations that have decided to move their operations here as a direct result of the tariffs!

(from quoted article)
The cost-benefit analysis for foreign companies reveals compelling economics: while setting up a U.S. manufacturing facility typically requires $50-500 million in initial capital, depending on the industry, companies can often break even within 3-5 years when factoring in tariff savings, reduced shipping costs, and proximity to American consumers, with many achieving payback periods of just 2-3 years for high-volume consumer goods facing steep tariffs. Beyond pure tariff avoidance, U.S. manufacturing provides strategic advantages, including:

  • Reduced supply chain vulnerabilities
  • Faster time-to-market for American customers
  • Enhanced brand perception as “Made in USA” products
  • Potential access to government contracts requiring domestic production
  • Insulation from future trade policy changes that could further escalate import costs
...more

Asian manufacturers are driving the largest wave of U.S. factory investments, led by Chinese companies like BYD ($5.9 billion in EV facilities) and CATL ($7.6 billion in battery plants), South Korean giants Samsung and SK Hynix ($52 billion in semiconductor fabs), and Japanese automakers Toyota, Honda, and Panasonic ($28 billion in EV production expansions).
European companies are aggressively hedging against trade risks, with German automakers BMW, Mercedes, and Volkswagen investing $15 billion in U.S. electric vehicle (EV) production and Scandinavian renewable energy firms like Ørsted and Vestas building $8.5 billion in wind equipment manufacturing along the East Coast. Additionally, British pharmaceutical giants AstraZeneca and GSK are committing $4.7 billion to new biotech facilities. These investments, totaling over $200 billion across all sectors, are expected to be completed between 2024 and 2028 and represent a fundamental shift in how global companies view American manufacturing."

Those aren't "projections"...those are real dollars being committed as investments in the American economy as a direct response to Trump's tariffs and the amount in new tariffs we're paying selling our finished goods overseas pales by comparison! Why you choose to ignore these positive impacts of the tariffs, while concentrating on or highlighting only the negative analysis from primarily Left wing anti-Trump media tells me all I need to know about you and how you actually voted. :rolleyes:

You're not a very convincing liar.
 
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No it isn't, that information comes from the actual investment plans of several multi-national corporations that have decided to move their operations here as a direct result of the tariffs!

(from quoted article)
The cost-benefit analysis for foreign companies reveals compelling economics: while setting up a U.S. manufacturing facility typically requires $50-500 million in initial capital, depending on the industry, companies can often break even within 3-5 years when factoring in tariff savings, reduced shipping costs, and proximity to American consumers, with many achieving payback periods of just 2-3 years for high-volume consumer goods facing steep tariffs. Beyond pure tariff avoidance, U.S. manufacturing provides strategic advantages, including:

  • Reduced supply chain vulnerabilities
  • Faster time-to-market for American customers
  • Enhanced brand perception as “Made in USA” products
  • Potential access to government contracts requiring domestic production
  • Insulation from future trade policy changes that could further escalate import costs
...more

Asian manufacturers are driving the largest wave of U.S. factory investments, led by Chinese companies like BYD ($5.9 billion in EV facilities) and CATL ($7.6 billion in battery plants), South Korean giants Samsung and SK Hynix ($52 billion in semiconductor fabs), and Japanese automakers Toyota, Honda, and Panasonic ($28 billion in EV production expansions).
European companies are aggressively hedging against trade risks, with German automakers BMW, Mercedes, and Volkswagen investing $15 billion in U.S. electric vehicle (EV) production and Scandinavian renewable energy firms like Ørsted and Vestas building $8.5 billion in wind equipment manufacturing along the East Coast. Additionally, British pharmaceutical giants AstraZeneca and GSK are committing $4.7 billion to new biotech facilities. These investments, totaling over $200 billion across all sectors, are expected to be completed between 2024 and 2028 and represent a fundamental shift in how global companies view American manufacturing."

Those aren't "projections"...those are real dollars being committed as investments in the American economy as a direct response to Trump's tariffs and the amount in new tariffs we're paying selling our finished goods overseas pales by comparison! Why you choose to ignore these positive impacts of the tariffs, while concentrating on or highlighting only the negative analysis from primarily Left wing anti-Trump media tells me all I need to know about you and how you actually voted. :rolleyes:

You're not a very convincing liar.
Lmao my god dude log off for the night. Enjoy the WVU win. You’re embarrassing yourself.
 

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Lmao my god dude log off for the night. Enjoy the WVU win. You’re embarrassing yourself.
I did enjoy that win tremendously...and I'm not embarrassing myself. I don't have to lie about why I eagerly voted for Trump, and I STILL 100% support everything he's accomplished to date making America Great again!

What's your problem? You voted for him (so you say) but you ignore his successful policies and now hate his guts just because you say "he's mean & nasty" You should log off and grow a pair. :rolleyes:

@ChucktownWillie ...so afraid of "mean 'ol Trump"

He voted for 'ya DJT, but he still hates your guts!
 
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