Toggle sidebar

I've heard this song before, "If Coach X can do so much with such little talent, imagine what he can do with better players"

Thus Spake Mainer

Thus Spake Mainer

Senior
Oct 13, 2021
384
541
93
For every example where this might work out for a coaching situation, there are probably many more examples (both college and pro) where the coach from a smaller team could not translate that success to a larger team. Many times the smaller team coach cannot handle the larger atmosphere of a bigger club. Let's hope HCMC can make this work!
 
T

TheBigUglies

All-Conference
Oct 26, 2021
1,401
2,245
113
Yeah, I hope he can transition as well. There are examples throughout football history at every level where coaching makes a difference. Look at what Cignetti did in a short amount of time after starting at IUP. Granted it is not the norm but it seems if coaches can adjust and learn they get better instead of when they are stubborn and keep doing the same thing is when the stay average or below. Then when you are a coach with a winning reputation, players want to play for you so they attract top talent. My example here is Mike Pettine at CB West and George Curry at Berwick. Saban was once head coach at Toledo. Bill Walsh started as a high school football coach. Lets hope MC can adjust and learn in the Big 10. So far seems like he is trending in the right direction but so was the last guy at this point before his first game. Lets see how the in game coaching goes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Chumboshifko1
D

DaytonRickster

All-Conference
May 29, 2001
2,748
3,197
113
TheBigUglies said:
Yeah, I hope he can transition as well. There are examples throughout football history at every level where coaching makes a difference. Look at what Cignetti did in a short amount of time after starting at IUP. Granted it is not the norm but it seems if coaches can adjust and learn they get better instead of when they are stubborn and keep doing the same thing is when the stay average or below. Then when you are a coach with a winning reputation, players want to play for you so they attract top talent. My example here is Mike Pettine at CB West and George Curry at Berwick. Saban was once head coach at Toledo. Bill Walsh started as a high school football coach. Lets hope MC can adjust and learn in the Big 10. So far seems like he is trending in the right direction but so was the last guy at this point before his first game. Lets see how the in game coaching goes.
Click to expand...
Exactly, let's wait and see.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bison13
Midnighter

Midnighter

Heisman
Jan 22, 2021
12,200
20,241
113
Thus Spake Mainer said:
For every example where this might work out for a coaching situation, there are probably many more examples (both college and pro) where the coach from a smaller team could not translate that success to a larger team. Many times the smaller team coach cannot handle the larger atmosphere of a bigger club. Let's hope HCMC can make this work!
Click to expand...

I think first and foremost you need to be a good gameday coach. I think of Urban Meyer - killed it at Bowling Green and Utah and just did it bigger and better at Florida and OSU. He was an excellent gameday coach before he became an elite recruiter. But, I think there's a limit to this kind of success transfer. Luke Fickell, for example, is still a very good coach and always will be. But, he can't elevate a 2nd tier B1G team beyond where it is to be honest and most of the factors for that he can't change - namely that it's Wisconsin. We got to see what a really good recruiter could do for us for over a decade and the X's and O's are what did him in. Certainly had teams that could compete with OSU, Michigan, Oregon, etc. - just couldn't get over that last hump and given all the hiring mistakes and on field decisions/game plans the 'now or never' moment played out the opposite we all would have liked.

Landscape in CFB has changed so much; the money is such a big factor now. I will be shocked if Indiana can sustain their success (unless they keep getting tons of cash) and even then it's not guaranteed (Tennessee, A&M, Texas, Texas Tech all spend mountains of cash with nothing to show for it). I think Campbell is a good X's and O's coach and he knows how to run a program. He knows how to outpunch his weight. But, will that transition? No idea. Like what I see so far though.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: CVLion, JoeLion, TheWizardofCamelot and 2 others
B

BCS PSU

All-Conference
Jun 2, 2001
949
1,619
93
DaytonRickster said:
Exactly, let's wait and see.
Click to expand...
That's the best comment I've heard about the Campbell era. I'm optimistic that he'll turn PSU into the type of team that Harbaugh built Michigan into in the early 2020s, meaning a bludgeoning, no-nonsense style which PSU used to have but lost along the way. Under the last coach, although we had good success overall, it was done too much with smoke and mirrors.

Campbell has been successful at Toledo and ISU, but this is a step up. I have no doubt that he can coach football, but he must be able to recruit, if not at the level of OSU and Oregon, pretty close to the level of them. I'm hopeful that he'll be able to come close to that with what he's going to be able to sell, like a refurbished stadium, etc.

Like I've posted before, who in their right mind could've predicted that Saban would win seven NCs after he went to LSU after a good but unspectacular tenure at MSU?
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Midnighter and DaytonRickster
R

rigi19041

Freshman
Apr 1, 2026
180
73
28
TheBigUglies said:
Yeah, I hope he can transition as well. There are examples throughout football history at every level where coaching makes a difference. Look at what Cignetti did in a short amount of time after starting at IUP. Granted it is not the norm but it seems if coaches can adjust and learn they get better instead of when they are stubborn and keep doing the same thing is when the stay average or below. Then when you are a coach with a winning reputation, players want to play for you so they attract top talent. My example here is Mike Pettine at CB West and George Curry at Berwick. Saban was once head coach at Toledo. Bill Walsh started as a high school football coach. Lets hope MC can adjust and learn in the Big 10. So far seems like he is trending in the right direction but so was the last guy at this point before his first game. Lets see how the in game coaching goes.
Click to expand...
TheBigUglies said:
Yeah, I hope he can transition as well. There are examples throughout football history at every level where coaching makes a difference. Look at what Cignetti did in a short amount of time after starting at IUP. Granted it is not the norm but it seems if coaches can adjust and learn they get better instead of when they are stubborn and keep doing the same thing is when the stay average or below. Then when you are a coach with a winning reputation, players want to play for you so they attract top talent. My example here is Mike Pettine at CB West and George Curry at Berwick. Saban was once head coach at Toledo. Bill Walsh started as a high school football coach. Lets hope MC can adjust and learn in the Big 10. So far seems like he is trending in the right direction but so was the last guy at this point before his first game. Lets see how the in game coaching goes.
Click to expand...
TheBigUglies said:
Yeah, I hope he can transition as well. There are examples throughout football history at every level where coaching makes a difference. Look at what Cignetti did in a short amount of time after starting at IUP. Granted it is not the norm but it seems if coaches can adjust and learn they get better instead of when they are stubborn and keep doing the same thing is when the stay average or below. Then when you are a coach with a winning reputation, players want to play for you so they attract top talent. My example here is Mike Pettine at CB West and George Curry at Berwick. Saban was once head coach at Toledo. Bill Walsh started as a high school football coach. Lets hope MC can adjust and learn in the Big 10. So far seems like he is trending in the right direction but so was the last guy at this point before his first game. Lets see how the in game coaching goes.
Click to expand...
Who is coaching psu?

John wooden was pretty good too, but he ain't coaching at psu either.
 
K

KingLando

All-Conference
Nov 29, 2021
5,862
3,406
113
Thus Spake Mainer said:
For every example where this might work out for a coaching situation, there are probably many more examples (both college and pro) where the coach from a smaller team could not translate that success to a larger team. Many times the smaller team coach cannot handle the larger atmosphere of a bigger club. Let's hope HCMC can make this work!
Click to expand...
Sure...fair...but almost all coaches take that path. It's rare for a Ryan Day or Marvin Freeman to take over an established program. Sometimes that works...sometimes that fails miserably as well. All you can do is hire the best available and be prepared to move on if he fails.
 
B

BCS PSU

All-Conference
Jun 2, 2001
949
1,619
93
KingLando said:
Sure...fair...but almost all coaches take that path. It's rare for a Ryan Day or Marvin Freeman to take over an established program. Sometimes that works...sometimes that fails miserably as well. All you can do is hire the best available and be prepared to move on if he fails.
Click to expand...
I agree with you about being prepared to move on; with free agency now, you have a pretty good idea about where things are going after probably three seasons.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KingLando
S

sr108

Freshman
Jan 13, 2004
10,727
58
36
Thus Spake Mainer said:
For every example where this might work out for a coaching situation, there are probably many more examples (both college and pro) where the coach from a smaller team could not translate that success to a larger team. Many times the smaller team coach cannot handle the larger atmosphere of a bigger club. Let's hope HCMC can make
Click to expand...
Not really sure if Coaching, Motivation and Development matter much in the new era of College Football. It’s all about $$$. Not sure that College Football will actually survive with a 105 payed players. How many schools can actually sustain the money it will take. How many other sports will end up dropped, in order to keep a football program going
BobPSU92 said:
As lane kiffin says, “It isn’t about X’s and O’s. It’s about the jimmys and the hoes.”
Click to expand...
its currently about the number of Grants and Franklins.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bison13 and Nitt1300
B

Bison13

All-American
May 26, 2013
3,456
5,683
113
sr108 said:
Not really sure if Coaching, Motivation and Development matter much in the new era of College Football. It’s all about $$$. Not sure that College Football will actually survive with a 105 payed players. How many schools can actually sustain the money it will take. How many other sports will end up dropped, in order to keep a football program going

its currently about the number of Grants and Franklins.
Click to expand...
Bud Grant and James Franklin?
 
T

TigersandLions

Redshirt
Nov 14, 2021
25
32
13
I'm so confused as to why we pay the head coach $12 mil/yr when he really can't be expected to have any impact because the only thing that affects the outcome on the field is the star ratings of the high school recruits and the NIL money spent on the portal players (except for Indiana, Texas A & M, Tennessee, that whole Money Ball book thing...).
 
B

BCS PSU

All-Conference
Jun 2, 2001
949
1,619
93
TigersandLions said:
I'm so confused as to why we pay the head coach $12 mil/yr when he really can't be expected to have any impact because the only thing that affects the outcome on the field is the star ratings of the high school recruits and the NIL money spent on the portal players (except for Indiana, Texas A & M, Tennessee, that whole Money Ball book thing...).
Click to expand...
You need both really good coaching and really good players to be ultra successful. If you have one or the other, you can be good but not great.
 
T

TigersandLions

Redshirt
Nov 14, 2021
25
32
13
BCS PSU said:
You need both really good coaching and really good players to be ultra successful. If you have one or the other, you can be good but not great.
Click to expand...
I agree. My comment was TIC. I just get frustrated with the notion that we really can’t expect any differentiation from the coach because it all comes down solely to how “well” recruiting is going based on ratings and how much we’re willing to spend on the portal. We apparently should just pay interchangeable coach X his $12 mil as a matter of process but anything that happens on the field is not his fault (or credit I guess).
 
  • Like
Reactions: CVLion
B

BCS PSU

All-Conference
Jun 2, 2001
949
1,619
93
TigersandLions said:
I agree. My comment was TIC. I just get frustrated with the notion that we really can’t expect any differentiation from the coach because it all comes down solely to how “well” recruiting is going based on ratings and how much we’re willing to spend on the portal. We apparently should just pay interchangeable coach X his $12 mil as a matter of process but anything that happens on the field is not his fault (or credit I guess).
Click to expand...
I agree with you that coaching matters. As much as some like to ridicule him, Bielema is a really good coach and has done a really good job at Illinois with mostly mediocre talent and has beaten South Carolina and Tennessee in bowl games the past two seasons, which probably had better talent than those Illinois teams. Likewise, Ferentz almost always gets much more out of the talent that he has. Those are just two examples of how good coaching matters.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TigersandLions
C

CVLion

All-Conference
Oct 13, 2021
982
1,982
93
BCS PSU said:
I agree with you that coaching matters. As much as some like to ridicule him, Bielema is a really good coach and has done a really good job at Illinois with mostly mediocre talent and has beaten South Carolina and Tennessee in bowl games the past two seasons, which probably had better talent than those Illinois teams. Likewise, Ferentz almost always gets much more out of the talent that he has. Those are just two examples of how good coaching matters.
Click to expand...

It’s hard for me to argue with your post, but it’s also hard for me to stomach it, because I absolutely cannot stand Bret Bagofshitema.

Nothing against you :) everything against him.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom