I've heard this song before, "If Coach X can do so much with such little talent, imagine what he can do with better players"

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For every example where this might work out for a coaching situation, there are probably many more examples (both college and pro) where the coach from a smaller team could not translate that success to a larger team. Many times the smaller team coach cannot handle the larger atmosphere of a bigger club. Let's hope HCMC can make this work!
 

TheBigUglies

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Yeah, I hope he can transition as well. There are examples throughout football history at every level where coaching makes a difference. Look at what Cignetti did in a short amount of time after starting at IUP. Granted it is not the norm but it seems if coaches can adjust and learn they get better instead of when they are stubborn and keep doing the same thing is when the stay average or below. Then when you are a coach with a winning reputation, players want to play for you so they attract top talent. My example here is Mike Pettine at CB West and George Curry at Berwick. Saban was once head coach at Toledo. Bill Walsh started as a high school football coach. Lets hope MC can adjust and learn in the Big 10. So far seems like he is trending in the right direction but so was the last guy at this point before his first game. Lets see how the in game coaching goes.
 
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DaytonRickster

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Yeah, I hope he can transition as well. There are examples throughout football history at every level where coaching makes a difference. Look at what Cignetti did in a short amount of time after starting at IUP. Granted it is not the norm but it seems if coaches can adjust and learn they get better instead of when they are stubborn and keep doing the same thing is when the stay average or below. Then when you are a coach with a winning reputation, players want to play for you so they attract top talent. My example here is Mike Pettine at CB West and George Curry at Berwick. Saban was once head coach at Toledo. Bill Walsh started as a high school football coach. Lets hope MC can adjust and learn in the Big 10. So far seems like he is trending in the right direction but so was the last guy at this point before his first game. Lets see how the in game coaching goes.
Exactly, let's wait and see.
 
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For every example where this might work out for a coaching situation, there are probably many more examples (both college and pro) where the coach from a smaller team could not translate that success to a larger team. Many times the smaller team coach cannot handle the larger atmosphere of a bigger club. Let's hope HCMC can make this work!

I think first and foremost you need to be a good gameday coach. I think of Urban Meyer - killed it at Bowling Green and Utah and just did it bigger and better at Florida and OSU. He was an excellent gameday coach before he became an elite recruiter. But, I think there's a limit to this kind of success transfer. Luke Fickell, for example, is still a very good coach and always will be. But, he can't elevate a 2nd tier B1G team beyond where it is to be honest and most of the factors for that he can't change - namely that it's Wisconsin. We got to see what a really good recruiter could do for us for over a decade and the X's and O's are what did him in. Certainly had teams that could compete with OSU, Michigan, Oregon, etc. - just couldn't get over that last hump and given all the hiring mistakes and on field decisions/game plans the 'now or never' moment played out the opposite we all would have liked.

Landscape in CFB has changed so much; the money is such a big factor now. I will be shocked if Indiana can sustain their success (unless they keep getting tons of cash) and even then it's no guaranteed (Tennessee, A&M, Texas, Texas Tech all spend mountains of cash with nothing to show for it). I think Campbell is a good X's and O's coach and he knows how to run a program. He knows how to outpunch his weight. But, will that transition? No idea. Like what I see so far though.
 

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Exactly, let's wait and see.
That's the best comment I've heard about the Campbell era. I'm optimistic that he'll turn PSU into the type of team that Harbaugh built Michigan into in the early 2020s, meaning a bludgeoning, no-nonsense style which PSU used to have but lost along the way. Under the last coach, although we had good success overall, it was done too much with smoke and mirrors.

Campbell has been successful at Toledo and ISU, but this is a step up. I have no doubt that he can coach football, but he must be able to recruit, if not at the level of OSU and Oregon, pretty close to the level of them. I'm hopeful that he'll be able to come close to that with what he's going to be able to sell, like a refurbished stadium, etc.

Like I've posted before, who in their right mind could've predicted that Saban would win seven NCs after he went to LSU after a good but unspectacular tenure at MSU?
 
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Yeah, I hope he can transition as well. There are examples throughout football history at every level where coaching makes a difference. Look at what Cignetti did in a short amount of time after starting at IUP. Granted it is not the norm but it seems if coaches can adjust and learn they get better instead of when they are stubborn and keep doing the same thing is when the stay average or below. Then when you are a coach with a winning reputation, players want to play for you so they attract top talent. My example here is Mike Pettine at CB West and George Curry at Berwick. Saban was once head coach at Toledo. Bill Walsh started as a high school football coach. Lets hope MC can adjust and learn in the Big 10. So far seems like he is trending in the right direction but so was the last guy at this point before his first game. Lets see how the in game coaching goes.
Yeah, I hope he can transition as well. There are examples throughout football history at every level where coaching makes a difference. Look at what Cignetti did in a short amount of time after starting at IUP. Granted it is not the norm but it seems if coaches can adjust and learn they get better instead of when they are stubborn and keep doing the same thing is when the stay average or below. Then when you are a coach with a winning reputation, players want to play for you so they attract top talent. My example here is Mike Pettine at CB West and George Curry at Berwick. Saban was once head coach at Toledo. Bill Walsh started as a high school football coach. Lets hope MC can adjust and learn in the Big 10. So far seems like he is trending in the right direction but so was the last guy at this point before his first game. Lets see how the in game coaching goes.
Yeah, I hope he can transition as well. There are examples throughout football history at every level where coaching makes a difference. Look at what Cignetti did in a short amount of time after starting at IUP. Granted it is not the norm but it seems if coaches can adjust and learn they get better instead of when they are stubborn and keep doing the same thing is when the stay average or below. Then when you are a coach with a winning reputation, players want to play for you so they attract top talent. My example here is Mike Pettine at CB West and George Curry at Berwick. Saban was once head coach at Toledo. Bill Walsh started as a high school football coach. Lets hope MC can adjust and learn in the Big 10. So far seems like he is trending in the right direction but so was the last guy at this point before his first game. Lets see how the in game coaching goes.
Who is coaching psu?

John wooden was pretty good too, but he ain't coaching at psu either.
 

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For every example where this might work out for a coaching situation, there are probably many more examples (both college and pro) where the coach from a smaller team could not translate that success to a larger team. Many times the smaller team coach cannot handle the larger atmosphere of a bigger club. Let's hope HCMC can make this work!
Sure...fair...but almost all coaches take that path. It's rare for a Ryan Day or Marvin Freeman to take over an established program. Sometimes that works...sometimes that fails miserably as well. All you can do is hire the best available and be prepared to move on if he fails.
 

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Sure...fair...but almost all coaches take that path. It's rare for a Ryan Day or Marvin Freeman to take over an established program. Sometimes that works...sometimes that fails miserably as well. All you can do is hire the best available and be prepared to move on if he fails.
I agree with you about being prepared to move on; with free agency now, you have a pretty good idea about where things are going after probably three seasons.
 
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For every example where this might work out for a coaching situation, there are probably many more examples (both college and pro) where the coach from a smaller team could not translate that success to a larger team. Many times the smaller team coach cannot handle the larger atmosphere of a bigger club. Let's hope HCMC can make
Not really sure if Coaching, Motivation and Development matter much in the new era of College Football. It’s all about $$$. Not sure that College Football will actually survive with a 105 payed players. How many schools can actually sustain the money it will take. How many other sports will end up dropped, in order to keep a football program going
As lane kiffin says, “It isn’t about X’s and O’s. It’s about the jimmys and the hoes.”
its currently about the number of Grants and Franklins.
 
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