EJ Training With Tony Delk

katwest

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Delk is no dummy and I'm sure EJ has asked him what he thinks he should do and I imagine he said one more year will make a world of difference in where you will be 2 years from now. He prolly told him if he had left after his freshman year he wouldn't have had a long NBA career. Listening to good advice is valuable and I would say he told him that.
 

Cats192

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I hope they're telling him to focus on big man things.

I suspect he'll have more confidence and make more shots next season. You're not really a stretch 4 if you struggle inside. Cousins and Davis can step out and hit a 3, but they're also monsters in the paint.
 

caneintally

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If anything.. I'd guess he's coming back based on this.
Yeah really you can't tell anything by this BUT if you had to say something I would say you are right. There just isn't a single person who is telling EJ he is ready . Not the NBA , not players not coaches . No one . Well unless he has hanger ons who care more about their paycheck then his . And even in that case they have to be stupid as if he comes back and shoots 38% from 3 and gets 8 rebounds a game ( and averages 10-12 pts ) he will be a first rounder and they will make money. EJ can shoot and pass and rebound if he just get better at those 3 things he will be a big time player.

Lets hope he is smart.
 

RalphDaltonFan

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Why is everyone so negative about players working out? If they didn't get invited to the NBA sponsored Events (Combine and G-League Combine) why not workout for as many teams possible/get the most info directly from organizations that you can? That way when you return to campus, you can swallow your ego and realize when the coaches are saying "Get your *** in the gym and put up more shots...." or this is what NBA teams are telling me specifically about you, that you're mature enough and informed enough to know it's 100% true. Some love Cal/some hate, but rare do you find people in basketball industry that say he's not a straight shooter. He's going to lose some recruits for being blunt and the ones he gets, it saves the NBA teams a lot of time trying to get them to take to coaching or understand what the team who selects them wants from them.
 

bnewt

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I think the fans are just tired of the yearly ritual. If the players have demonstrated the ability, that is one thing, but now everyone thinks that they are ready for the NBA & they can hardly walk & chew gum at the same time. Players that shoot 30% from the field & 50% from the free throw line.......why would they need the NBA to tell them they need to improve their shooting? A player that is not strong enough to pick up a 50 lb bag of grass seed, why does he need the NBA to tell him he has to get stronger? I think this is what bothers so many.....I know it does me.
If a player has a decent season, then try & chase the dream of big $
 

LolAtThis

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At the end of the day, I don't see EJ staying in the draft unless he's confident there's a team going to give him that two-year guaranteed contract.

I think that's why his status is so murky and no one seems to know because none of us know what every NBA team has told him.

Another thing to consider is maybe his camp is putting it out there that he wants to stay in draft in hopes of drawing more interest from teams. With so many players now testing the waters, it's hard for teams to evaluate every single player, especially when they look at guys like EJ and assume he's going back to school based on his limited production.

If they think EJ really may stay in the draft, they may give him a harder look.

Just a thought.
 

FrankUnderwood

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As seen with my posts I’m usually on the side of these guys chasing their dreams and making that $$$. I really really am.

That being said, I can’t help but notice the entitlement (for lack of a better term) with some of these guys (not juSt at UK either)

The yearning to bolt as fast as possible to the NBA (even when not ready) the feeling of being a “failure” if you aren’t a one and done much less have to stay 2-3 years ?

Here’s the thing. Sometimes... just sometimes .., in order to be a MULTI MILLIONAIRE it takes time? Patience? Hard work? Who cares if it takes a couple years ? Most people work for decades to establish themselves in a roll to generate millions.

As strictly a business decision the bolting as soon as possible (non 1st round guarantee when you could easily be 1st round after a year or 2 more) is a pretty bad decision imo.

“Work” by building your brand, being on TV, getting insane amounts of Nike Swag, traveling the world etc for a couple years in order to make MILLIONS seems like a no brainer to me. Idk, just my opinion
 

gracetoyou

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EJ would get literally abused in a man's league. Can he handle that mentally & still develop? Theres so much more to it than thinking "I can get paid & develop also". It could possibly destroy his confidence permanently.

Teague says knowing what he knows now he would've stayed in college another year.
 
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RalphDaltonFan

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I think the fans are just tired of the yearly ritual. If the players have demonstrated the ability, that is one thing, but now everyone thinks that they are ready for the NBA & they can hardly walk & chew gum at the same time. Players that shoot 30% from the field & 50% from the free throw line.......why would they need the NBA to tell them they need to improve their shooting? A player that is not strong enough to pick up a 50 lb bag of grass seed, why does he need the NBA to tell him he has to get stronger? I think this is what bothers so many.....I know it does me.
If a player has a decent season, then try & chase the dream of big $

That's not why they enter though. They want to know specifically what NBA teams think of them and it's a lot easier to hear something from a potential employer about here's how we see you, then it is to hear it from your current coaches. Cal encourages it as well and it's smart to do so. If they tell them what he has.....it only strengthens the bond between the player/coach because he knows he's not lying. Odds are Montgomery won't be at UK after his Soph season no matter what, so why not do this now? The only people talking to UK fans or speculating are media members. Haven't heard a player say anything other then their initial statement and when it changed for Johnson/Herro they quickly shared their plans. Think they'd already have returned if they were invited to the Combines...but since they aren't--get to know people/workout. It's not hurting them and they can measure up against other guys who play/are in same process.

Some of these guys (not saying either UK player involved) are told by people close to their family/advisers they'll be Lottery Picks or 1st Rounders and someone will try to plant it in ear that a Mock Draft has them......so UK always says go to the source and talk. Learn about yourself, go through it and see what they say. Then make your decision. As long as they embrace what they're told, they'll be better off for this.
 
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anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y

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Why is everyone so negative about players working out? If they didn't get invited to the NBA sponsored Events (Combine and G-League Combine) why not workout for as many teams possible/get the most info directly from organizations that you can? That way when you return to campus, you can swallow your ego and realize when the coaches are saying "Get your *** in the gym and put up more shots...." or this is what NBA teams are telling me specifically about you, that you're mature enough and informed enough to know it's 100% true. Some love Cal/some hate, but rare do you find people in basketball industry that say he's not a straight shooter. He's going to lose some recruits for being blunt and the ones he gets, it saves the NBA teams a lot of time trying to get them to take to coaching or understand what the team who selects them wants from them.
These posters know the new rules giving players like EJ the opportunity to obtain feedback yet they still criticize. It’s baffling.
 
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anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y

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I think the fans are just tired of the yearly ritual. If the players have demonstrated the ability, that is one thing, but now everyone thinks that they are ready for the NBA & they can hardly walk & chew gum at the same time. Players that shoot 30% from the field & 50% from the free throw line.......why would they need the NBA to tell them they need to improve their shooting? A player that is not strong enough to pick up a 50 lb bag of grass seed, why does he need the NBA to tell him he has to get stronger? I think this is what bothers so many.....I know it does me.
If a player has a decent season, then try & chase the dream of big $
What you don’t understand is people like you, me or anyone on this board aren’t professional talent evaluators. All it takes is a scout to see something in someone like EJ that we don’t see and take a flier on him. Look how many no-names are playing in the NBA today. They’re playing because they were discovered by a scout, most likely in a combine workout.
 

Son_Of_Saul

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These posters know the new rules giving players like EJ the opportunity to obtain feedback yet they still criticize. It’s baffling.

It's just projection, and as long as its contained here and doesn't filter onto EJ's social media, it's mostly harmless.

I think a lot of it is based on years of accumulating a cynical outlook towards the draft process. I mean, how many five star players have returned for a second year? It's a rarity when it happens, so I don't think some fans have been conditioned to expect even the more fundamentally logical return decisions.
 

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Because fans only really care about what a player can do for their school. A lot of
Coaches are the same and it’s strange that the same fans who get on players working out also get on Coach Roy for keeping players in school. Hopefully EJ has a great workout for a team and they are willing to draft him in the first round like the Bucks did with Thon and Blazers with Simmons when they weren’t going to be ready right away but they saw the future talent and wanted to develop them.

Some teams look at what a player will become and take them now because they no if the player goes back he may improve so much that they move up out of their draft range. EJ has the potential to do that


Why is everyone so negative about players working out? If they didn't get invited to the NBA sponsored Events (Combine and G-League Combine) why not workout for as many teams possible/get the most info directly from organizations that you can? That way when you return to campus, you can swallow your ego and realize when the coaches are saying "Get your *** in the gym and put up more shots...." or this is what NBA teams are telling me specifically about you, that you're mature enough and informed enough to know it's 100% true. Some love Cal/some hate, but rare do you find people in basketball industry that say he's not a straight shooter. He's going to lose some recruits for being blunt and the ones he gets, it saves the NBA teams a lot of time trying to get them to take to coaching or understand what the team who selects them wants from them.
 
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FrankUnderwood

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Is Simmons and EJ really a good comparison lol ? He went #1? EJ isn’t even projected in the 1st round.

Secondly, of course fans of a school would prefer their players stay...

I don’t understand how a self admitted non fan doesn’t understand that?
 

TFCat11

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As seen with my posts I’m usually on the side of these guys chasing their dreams and making that $$$. I really really am.

That being said, I can’t help but notice the entitlement (for lack of a better term) with some of these guys (not juSt at UK either)

The yearning to bolt as fast as possible to the NBA (even when not ready) the feeling of being a “failure” if you aren’t a one and done much less have to stay 2-3 years ?

Here’s the thing. Sometimes... just sometimes .., in order to be a MULTI MILLIONAIRE it takes time? Patience? Hard work? Who cares if it takes a couple years ? Most people work for decades to establish themselves in a roll to generate millions.

As strictly a business decision the bolting as soon as possible (non 1st round guarantee when you could easily be 1st round after a year or 2 more) is a pretty bad decision imo.

“Work” by building your brand, being on TV, getting insane amounts of Nike Swag, traveling the world etc for a couple years in order to make MILLIONS seems like a no brainer to me. Idk, just my opinion


VERY well said!
 
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JesusCal91

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I think the fans are just tired of the yearly ritual. If the players have demonstrated the ability, that is one thing, but now everyone thinks that they are ready for the NBA & they can hardly walk & chew gum at the same time. Players that shoot 30% from the field & 50% from the free throw line.......why would they need the NBA to tell them they need to improve their shooting? A player that is not strong enough to pick up a 50 lb bag of grass seed, why does he need the NBA to tell him he has to get stronger? I think this is what bothers so many.....I know it does me.
If a player has a decent season, then try & chase the dream of big $

Yeah I mean even Keldon and herro there was loads they could’ve worked on but they left anyway doubt it works out for them but lots of luck
 
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As seen with my posts I’m usually on the side of these guys chasing their dreams and making that $$$. I really really am.

That being said, I can’t help but notice the entitlement (for lack of a better term) with some of these guys (not juSt at UK either)

The yearning to bolt as fast as possible to the NBA (even when not ready) the feeling of being a “failure” if you aren’t a one and done much less have to stay 2-3 years ?

Here’s the thing. Sometimes... just sometimes .., in order to be a MULTI MILLIONAIRE it takes time? Patience? Hard work? Who cares if it takes a couple years ? Most people work for decades to establish themselves in a roll to generate millions.

As strictly a business decision the bolting as soon as possible (non 1st round guarantee when you could easily be 1st round after a year or 2 more) is a pretty bad decision imo.

“Work” by building your brand, being on TV, getting insane amounts of Nike Swag, traveling the world etc for a couple years in order to make MILLIONS seems like a no brainer to me. Idk, just my opinion

Obviously you don't understand the hindrance of going to class and having to study.

Playing ball and video games 24/7 is the goal. Instant gratification is where it's at.

Patience? We talking patience?
 

caneintally

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Delk sure seems to think EJ is going to stay in the draft so maybe he is not listening to anyone . It is sad that a kid who has no chance to be drafted and could be a 1st rounder if he came back is going to leave . Just silly . Honestly the last person to make this big of a mistake ( if he makes it ) was probably Orton.

But Cal obviously knows what is going on and has a plan . I wonder what it is though ?
 

KyCatFan1

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Kinda wish McDaniels would have waited on committing if this is true. Will need to find some players bad if this is happens. Definitely going to have issues in the paint if not.

 

mhroe1984

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This message board will rupture earthquake-style if EJ stays in the draft.

Well, get ready because it looks like that’s what’s coming.

Any other school he’s a 4 year player. Comes to UK, averages 8 minutes a game and 3 ppg and leaves for the draft when not even projected to get picked. Something is broken with this system here at Kentucky and we will never win another title if this keeps occurring.
 
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Son_Of_Saul

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Well, get ready because it looks like that’s what’s coming.

Any other school he’s a 4 year player. Comes to UK, averages 8 minutes a game and 3 ppg and leaves for the draft when not even projected to get picked. Something is broken with this system here at Kentucky and we will never win another title if this keeps occurring.

Maybe UK Basketball can tweet about how swaggy we are and everything will be okay?
 
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thebluestripes

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Well, get ready because it looks like that’s what’s coming.

Any other school he’s a 4 year player. Comes to UK, averages 8 minutes a game and 3 ppg and leaves for the draft when not even projected to get picked. Something is broken with this system here at Kentucky and we will never win another title if this keeps occurring.
The goal is not to win a championship, the goal is to get 8 players drafted.
 
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shutzhund

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Well, get ready because it looks like that’s what’s coming.

Any other school he’s a 4 year player. Comes to UK, averages 8 minutes a game and 3 ppg and leaves for the draft when not even projected to get picked. Something is broken with this system here at Kentucky and we will never win another title if this keeps occurring.


Maybe we should concentrate on smarter recruits.