And now, "he gone" season begins.
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Not sure if that would include Herro's decision. But I would think him leaving after one year, when staff probably expected another year from him, would be a "surprise".
I'm trying to believe that to be true..
If Hagans wants to go (even though he's not ready), then let him. I don't want him here if he is that set on turning pro. He seems to have his mind made up. If he stays, he might be unhappy and what would that attitude do to the team chemistry? He has to WANT to stay and not just be here with one foot out the door.
In the Bahamas...at this point it no longer matters..."we will be young" and "this is what happens with freshman" is our escape.
Bahamas trips are a complete joke. Total waste of time and money and gives a total false sense of how good we are. Bahamas made us look like the Harlem Globetrotters and the reality that soon set in when the season started was the reality dagger stuck in our chest.
Does anyone here think either Tyler Herro or Keldon Johnson strongly consider leaving college after their freshman year at any other school?
I've pondered that with former "one and dones" in the past. If they were at another school I believe they would question themselves a lot more about entering the draft after one year. But at UK they know someone new is coming in to challenge them and possibly steal their thunder. And once again it's rinse and repeat.
There’s no question Herro returns at likely every other school in the country. That’s probably why he came here.
I don’t love that our assistants discuss NBA potential in the locker room, Id prefer it dis-allowed. Of course they’re going to ponder that stuff anyways, but while they’re here their focus should be on their skills, classes and team. The former and latter are what will get them to the NBA.
What's up with your mind reading of Hagans. Your posts make you out that you want him to leave and you don't like him. Just saying, two posts I have seen from you claim you don't want hagans back because you believe he will mess up chemistry trying to get to nba...newsflash, all these kid's goal is to get to the NBA.
I understand what you’re saying, but I remember people saying the same thing about PJ, this time last year. I don’t think Hagans performed all that great this season, but I’d gladly welcome a returning pg.
I don't think that will be an issue.
There's a difference between wanting to leave and whether or not your actually ready to leave. As long as he understands that he's not quite there yet it shouldn't be a problem.
We've had people come back that wanted to be one and dones and they performed well in the 2nd year without any chemistry issues to my knowledge.
I don't think Lamb or Briscoe really wanted to come back.
Except for all the schools where guys like that (or far lower on the draft boards) are going pro?
Sure...go ahead. I'm not saying that's the way it is with all of them but i'm sure several have had that thought process. it's only natural.
Hagans is gone, don’t get your hopes up. He has said since last spring that the point of coming here early was to get into the 2019 NBA draft. He gone.
Well Michigan's Brazdeikis just declared and says he's staying in.
He's a freshman. Rated lower than Herro in high school. Averaged 15 and 5, shot around 39% from 3. Herro numbers from a Herro style player, at a school that didn't win as much as we did.
Not to mention guys like Nas Little and Coby White from UNC this year, Duval and Jackson from Duke, Kobi Simmons at Arizona, a ton of guys from KU, Diamond Stone from Maryland--there are dozens of examples.
There are guys from all over going pro to be second rounders or undrafted. There are guys like PJ Washington coming back to Kentucky. We may have more guys because we recruit better players and they play bigger minutes as freshmen, but there's not something about our program that makes guys go or pushes guys out any more than anywhere else.
I appreciate the post. I agree there is a difference. If he understands, then I would love to have him back. The experience would be tremendous! He did very well in the first half of the season. Maybe he just hit the freshman wall. As another poster said it sounds like I don't like him. It's not that. I don't KNOW him and he seems like a good kid. I just want what's best for the team and the school.
I guess my question wasn't geared toward "guys like that" and I'm not really sure who that refers to. Plenty of schools have one, maybe two guys on their roster who are underclassmen and make you scratch your head when they decide to declare for the draft. My point is that (and I love Calipari) with the culture that's been created at UK, we have established that we get kids to the NBA faster than any other school. That is ultimately what a 17 year old AAU kid wants. With all of the great momentum built up in the first few years of Cal creating this culture, and now that media members and other fan bases have caught up, some of the kids come in either with an entitled feeling from day 1 that they *only* have to spend one year at UK because that's how we have established our program, or that if they have to come back for a second year they will be looked at as failures. No other school has that culture/pressure built up quite as much as we do with the consistent freshmen turnover we see year in and year out.
I’ll answer for her. Hagans played for himself in the ncaa. He was trying to increase his stock by doing too much and ultimately he screwed us and himself. He wasn’t the go to guy but decided on his own he was. Cal should have benched him imo bc against Houston and auburn no player on our roster was a bigger liability
Players like Jerome and Guy stay 3 years, our guys are like... "see ya bithess"
I'm curious where this perception comes from. I see it frequently. A guy I work with today told me Hagans doesn't want to be here. Is that just an assumption, is it something he's said publicly, it's it just one of those things that become well known in a community?
Thank you for saying what I was trying to say. Sometimes I can't find the right words.
I keep seeing this sentiment about being a failure if they come back for a second year, but where does it come from? Most of the fans on this board would be delighted to have guys return. Seems like Cal likes guys back unless they are lotto picks. Is it their family and friends?