Duke game thread 8/15/18

[Wildcats1st]

How tall does zion look on the floor with collegiate players? 6’6” or 6’8”

 

[hotelblue]

I’ve been around 10 years I’d say. Don’t get too caught up in the names of posters and what they represent (aside from the obvious ulismyman and smooth) but I can’t recall Kev seeming like a bad poster/poser fan.

ok.

 

[20102015]

I also am curious how he will respond to being forced into a 5 role quite a bit. As you've admitted, Bolden still sucks balls and delaurier is a good energy guy, but lacks real skills to be too reliable, plus fouls a lot.

If Tre Jones is out until January, which I've heard could be the case, who played guard and who runs the offense?

Go to dukembb instagram. Jones is literally practicing in videos from last week. He’s held out as precaution because of what an impact might do to complicate recovery but he’s full go on running jumping and is a full participant in practices.

 

[kyjeff1]

Here’s a simple formula, if a team doesn’t have its starting point guard who is a 5 start talent and that forces its best player to play out of position, don’t use that as an indicator of how that team will play.

Yeah, but if your #1 pg option is out until January you are in deep trouble. He'll be playing catch-up the rest of the season and it's not like he is all that great anyway. He's nowhere near as good as his brother and he isn't a good shooter.
I would like duke's chances better if he wasn't going to miss so much time, but he's going to.miss half the season.

 

[Mike-D]

KU will be pretty good too....

Better than Duke.

 

[TomTraubertsBlues]

Go to dukembb instagram. Jones is literally practicing in videos from last week. He’s held out as precaution because of what an impact might do to complicate recovery but he’s full go on running jumping and is a full participant in practices.

I didn't think it was that serious because there is literally zero talk about it on their Rivals board.

 

[TheGrafSpot]

Go to dukembb instagram. Jones is literally practicing in videos from last week. He’s held out as precaution because of what an impact might do to complicate recovery but he’s full go on running jumping and is a full participant in practices.

I dunno, man. I've heard it could easily be January, and that was from Duke people. Hip surgery is no joke.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Here’s a simple formula, if a team doesn’t have its starting point guard who is a 5 start talent and that forces its best player to play out of position, don’t use that as an indicator of how that team will play.

Your statement has nothing to do with the point I made.

Jones could play all season for all I care. I still have doubts about a healthy Jones and healthy Bolden and their ability to fill out the needed roles for a potential Duke title.

1. You guys need the interior players to step up. That's a major concern.
2. You'll need Jones to play at a high level when he returns. That's a major question mark.
3. You'll need to find at least two consistent shooters all season. O'Connell supposedly represents one of those two shooters, but there's still question marks about how much K trust him as a rotational player. Also, more minutes for Alex means less for either Barrett or Reddish, unless of course K plans on lying to Zion by placing him on the low block.
4. You don't have depth. Not at all. That should concern any objective Duke fan out there. Hoping that DeLaurier, Bolden, O'Connell, or Baker can take the step forward is in a holding pattern right now. We simply don't have the needed sample size available to project any of these four players as legitimately capable of filling a large role on the current Duke team.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

I didn't think it was that serious because there is literally zero talk about it on their Rivals board.

Silents, did you start a new account?

 

[Mike-D]

How tall does zion look on the floor with collegiate players? 6’6” or 6’8”

He’s not 6’8”

 

[TheGrafSpot]

Your statement has nothing to do with the point I made.

Jones could play all season for all I care. I still have doubts about a healthy Jones and healthy Bolden and their ability to fill out the needed roles for a potential Duke title.

1. You guys need the interior players to step up. That's a major concern.
2. You'll need Jones to play at a high level when he returns. That's a major question mark.
3. You'll need to find at least two consistent shooters all season. O'Connell supposedly represents one of those two shooters, but there's still question marks about how much K trust him as a rotational player. Also, more minutes for Alex means less for either Barrett or Reddish, unless of course K plans on lying to Zion by placing him on the low block.
4. You don't have depth. Not at all. That should concern any objective Duke fan out there. Hoping that DeLaurier, Bolden, O'Connell, or Baker can take the step forward is in a holding pattern right now. We simply don't have the needed sample size available to project any of these four players as legitimately capable of filling a large role on the current Duke team.

Last year Duke was deeper, more talented across the board as a team, had experience and shooters, yet it still wasnt enough. I wouldn't even have Duke in my top 7 or 8 teams currently.

 

[20102015]

Your statement has nothing to do with the point I made.

Jones could play all season for all I care. I still have doubts about a healthy Jones and healthy Bolden and their ability to fill out the needed roles for a potential Duke title.

1. You guys need the interior players to step up. That's a major concern.
2. You'll need Jones to play at a high level when he returns. That's a major question mark.
3. You'll need to find at least two consistent shooters all season. O'Connell supposedly represents one of those two shooters, but there's still question marks about how much K trust him as a rotational player. Also, more minutes for Alex means less for either Barrett or Reddish, unless of course K plans on lying to Zion by placing him on the low block.
4. You don't have depth. Not at all. That should concern any objective Duke fan out there. Hoping that DeLaurier, Bolden, O'Connell, or Baker can take the step forward is in a holding pattern right now. We simply don't have the needed sample size available to project any of these four players as legitimately capable of filling a large role on the current Duke team.

1. Why? Interior players are marginalized in today’s games. Guards and wings are what matters.
2. That’s true of every team. You don’t get quality pg play, you aren’t winning.
3. O’Connell is established so save your supposedly. Reddish will be 2 and Barrett will be 3 (watch). Your assumption about pt is false. When you have players that can actually play multiple positions and not just call themselves a 2 when they are obviously a 3/4, is that there are a lot of lineups that make sense. Plenty of pt for all that matter.
4. So? K plays 7-8 no matter what. Duke has that when healthy. You don’t win titles based on your 8th, 9th and 10th guys. You win because your studs show up. If you want to run your 7,8,9 out there for extended minutes against any teams 2,3,4 that’s not going to go well.

Again, I’m not saying duke will or won’t win. I’m saying that playing short handed, Duke didn’t look any better or worse than uk did in their game 1 when they went out and threw up 2-20 from 3. Teams improve and this season (not just nov 6) will be won or lost based on how quickly these unproven teams and players improve.

 

[Bluesnky]

So asking a question constitutes being upset?

I'd rather see Duke with all their pieces in November.

I think UK wins in November and probably in the spring if they face each other again, but some of the narratives being spun tonight are shortsighted. Duke is a threat this year. Not like they were in 2015, when they had a complete team with real veterans, but anytime possessing playmaking scorers like Zion, RJ, and Reddish is automatically a threat.

Being a threat is relative. To me their chances of winning it all are pretty low if they are forced to play zone or don’t have a 40% three point shooter playing 30 minutes per game.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

You don't think KU and Gonzaga are worth a damn? I thought it was UK and KU, maybe throw Nevada and Gonzaga in there.
I really think Duke is in trouble. They will be weak defensively (coach K + young team = no defense) plus Jones being out until January is really going to throw a stick.into their spokes.
Oh, it also.looks like they won't have their typical 3 point shooting ability either, defenses are going to pack the paint on them, we know how that goes all too well.

I just think KU lacks real NBA players outside Grimes. Grimes is a lottery pick, but I don't see anyone else who's the kind of player who can take over a game late in the shot clock and the game is shortened. Plus, Self's at his best when he has returning pieces coming back. They'll have a brand new backcourt, and I'm not sure any offense predicted on running through the Lawsons is an offense that I'd trust to win a title.

I'd like to see Gonzaga and see if Hachimura, Tillie, and Clarke play this year before taking them seriously as a threat. Doesn't mean these teams can't win it all, or a team like Nevada/Tennessee. I just like UK and Duke exponentially more right now to their onslaught of ready-made NBA talent.

 

[20102015]

Last year Duke was deeper, more talented across the board as a team, had experience and shooters, yet it still wasnt enough. I wouldn't even have Duke in my top 7 or 8 teams currently.

Last year Duke relied on 2 bigs that are way more talented than anyone in college hoops this year and Duke still had to deal with a constantly clogged lane and needed shooting to spread that out. That depth didn’t mean a thing. Should really be a cautionary tale about relying on multiple bigs and depth.

 

[dckala2_rivals16641]

Gonna be an up year for college basketball. Can’t wait, not like it ever stops tho.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

1. Why? Interior players are marginalized in today’s games. Guards and wings are what matters.
2. That’s true of every team. You don’t get quality pg play, you aren’t winning.
3. O’Connell is established so save your supposedly. Reddish will be 2 and Barrett will be 3 (watch). Your assumption about pt is false. When you have players that can actually play multiple positions and not just call themselves a 2 when they are obviously a 3/4, is that there are a lot of lineups that make sense. Plenty of pt for all that matter.
4. So? K plays 7-8 no matter what. Duke has that when healthy. You don’t win titles based on your 8th, 9th and 10th guys. You win because your studs show up. If you want to run your 7,8,9 out there for extended minutes against any teams 2,3,4 that’s not going to go well.

Again, I’m not saying duke will or won’t win. I’m saying that playing short handed, Duke didn’t look any better or worse than uk did in their game 1 when they went out and threw up 2-20 from 3. Teams improve and this season (not just nov 6) will be won or lost based on how quickly these unproven teams and players improve.

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You can survive not having elite bigs if your wings and guards are elite perimeter shooters. You guys don't presently have that. Until proven otherwise, that's your biggest concern because your opponents will attempt - while some of the good teams will actually succeed - in turning your roster into a jump shooting team.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Last year Duke relied on 2 bigs that are way more talented than anyone in college hoops this year and Duke still had to deal with a constantly clogged lane and needed shooting to spread that out. That depth didn’t mean a thing. Should really be a cautionary tale about relying on multiple bigs and depth.

So you had two redundant bigs last year. Now, unless one of your big three turns into an elite perimeter shooter, you might have a similar problem with mediocre perimeter threats who dominate at slashing to the rim and in the open court.

 

[Bluesnky]

Last year Duke relied on 2 bigs that are way more talented than anyone in college hoops this year and Duke still had to deal with a constantly clogged lane and needed shooting to spread that out. That depth didn’t mean a thing. Should really be a cautionary tale about relying on multiple bigs and depth.

Duke needed more shooters last year? What?

 

[TheGrafSpot]

Last year Duke relied on 2 bigs that are way more talented than anyone in college hoops this year and Duke still had to deal with a constantly clogged lane and needed shooting to spread that out. That depth didn’t mean a thing. Should really be a cautionary tale about relying on multiple bigs and depth.

You all had a sr grayson allen at SF, who could shoot well and run the point when needed. You had Trent Jr. that was also a great shooter when he got going. Duval is also a better pg than you have now aside from his shooting. You also had 2 of the best bigs in CBB, that complimented each other nicely and both could shoot out to the 3 relatively well. Your bench is exactly the same this year, however, you have no quality 5's and only 1 possibly reliable guard who may be out until January recovering from hip surgery. Dukies are concerned and I see why.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Duke needed more shooters last year? What?

Apparently he thinks Reddish, Zion and Jones are upgrades on Allen/Trent when it comes to perimeter shooting.

Maybe they will be, although it currently seems like a stretch.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

You all had a sr grayson allen at SF, who could shoot well and run the point when needed. You had Trent Jr. that was also a great shooter when he got going. Duval is also a better pg than you have now aside from his shooting. You also had 2 of the best bigs in CBB, that complimented each other nicely and both could shoot out to the 3 relatively well. Your bench is exactly the same this year, however, you have no quality 5's and only 1 possibly reliable guard who may be out until January recovering from hip surgery. Dukies are concerned and I see why.

They'll pencil Reddish/ Cam/ Zion in at 35 to 40% three point clips on the season.

They seem to forget how difficult it is to shoot in that percentage range for a full season.

 

[IndyCat1995]

Why is there a Duke game thread on this board?

 

[Bluesnky]

Apparently he thinks Reddish, Zion and Jones are upgrades on Allen/Trent when it comes to perimeter shooting.

Maybe they will be, although it currently seems like a stretch.

That team was something to behold on offense before they switched to zone and lost their transition element. They had four guys on the court, including those supposedly unreliable big men Bagley and Carter, who could shoot the three. And they had maybe the best transition PG in the country.

The idea that this Duke team can be better on offense than that one is pretty far fetched. And they had better learn to play man to man defense at an acceptable level, because this is a team that will have to live in transition and on the boards.

 

[TheGrafSpot]

1. Why? Interior players are marginalized in today’s games. Guards and wings are what matters.
2. That’s true of every team. You don’t get quality pg play, you aren’t winning.
3. O’Connell is established so save your supposedly. Reddish will be 2 and Barrett will be 3 (watch). Your assumption about pt is false. When you have players that can actually play multiple positions and not just call themselves a 2 when they are obviously a 3/4, is that there are a lot of lineups that make sense. Plenty of pt for all that matter.
4. So? K plays 7-8 no matter what. Duke has that when healthy. You don’t win titles based on your 8th, 9th and 10th guys. You win because your studs show up. If you want to run your 7,8,9 out there for extended minutes against any teams 2,3,4 that’s not going to go well.

Again, I’m not saying duke will or won’t win. I’m saying that playing short handed, Duke didn’t look any better or worse than uk did in their game 1 when they went out and threw up 2-20 from 3. Teams improve and this season (not just nov 6) will be won or lost based on how quickly these unproven teams and players improve.

Ehh, UK played good D, had great energy and intensity throughout. They Got off to a hot start, rebounded the hell out of the ball, made a lot of jumpers just inside the arc and showcased a lot of quality depth. We took care of the ball very well, showcased our half court and full court transition game and looked light years ahead of where we should be for this point in the season. Against grown men no less. Aside from 3pt shooting, UK looked quite well in their first game.

 

[Mike-D]

Why is there a Duke game thread on this board?

I guess because they are relevant?

 

[TheGrafSpot]

They'll pencil Reddish/ Cam/ Zion in at 35 to 40% three point clips on the season.

They seem to forget how difficult it is to shoot in that percentage range for a full season.

I can assure Zion and Barrett won't hit that. Reddish maybe, but I still don't see him higher than 35% or 36%.

 

[CatfanMike47]

Ehh, UK played good D, had great energy and intensity throughout. They Got off to a hot start, rebounded the hell out of the ball, made a lot of jumpers just inside the arc and showcased a lot of quality depth. We took care of the ball very well, showcased our half court and full court transition game and looked light years ahead of where we should be for this point in the season. Against grown men no less. Aside from 3pt shooting, UK looked quite well in their first game.

But we end up well from three the next three games. Duke should Be afraid

 

[Rideordiewildcat]

Why don't they have a chance against us? They've played 3/4ths of their first game where they're missing 40% of their starters.

Because I think we are a deep and dominant team and I feel they will struggle with the pcs they have. I believe RJ will force a lot of action and Zion will wear down in games. Also at 285 I can see his ankles not holding up. They are already down 2 guys, it is safe to say they will have a guy or two banged up or hurt throughout the season. they are young and there is no one to turn to when it starts going bad. just my opinion, but I am not that worried about them. KU is a bigger concern for me with the guard pay they can match. Our guards and front court is so much deeper than Dook and I don't see how they match up against us for 40.

 

[TheGrafSpot]

But we end up well from three the next three games. Duke should Be afraid

We could just as easily end up with another poor shooting performance during the Duke game, but regardless I think we win without much issue.

 

[MNantz]

figured anyone whos gonna watch could post their honest opinions about it, whos gonna be watching?

Watch Dook ,your kidding right ? As my grandad used to say I wouldn’t give fifty cents to see that bunch of SOB,s eat a bail of hay !,

 

[TheGrafSpot]

Duke will have a very intriguing question to answer. Do they play with only 1 real guard and incorporate a real center, or do they opt to go with O'Connell as their 2 guard and shift the 3 wings down? If Jones is indeed out a while, do you try to let Goldwire run the point or do you put it in Barrett and Reddish's hand and hope they don't turn it over like today?

Any team should be able to see that pressuring the ball, guarding the post and making Duke run is the recipe for defeat. For once let a Duke team take all the 3's they want. They don't have the depth, especially at guard, to afford anyone to have foul trouble and the drop off in talent after their 4th man is gigantic.

 

[mebeblue2]

Why is there a Duke game thread on this board?

because it is August and any live game to talk about is better then no game at all

 

[gracetoyou]

Did Bolden clapp well from bench?

 

[Rideordiewildcat]

Anyone have the box score for these bums?

 

[gracetoyou]

How tall does zion look on the floor with collegiate players? 6’6” or 6’8”

Ever seen a luv bug?

 

[TomTraubertsBlues]

Silents, did you start a new account?

Yes. My computer screwed up somehow, so I had to create a new account, which screwed up all my browser settings and saved passwords. Tried resetting the password but that didn't work. It appears to be hopeless getting it back.

 

[willyclyde]

Can’t wait til coach rat retires and duke fades into darkness never to be heard from again. Duck fuke.

 

[morgousky]

And no NBA team would want you evaluating talent if you don’t look at Zion and drool. I don’t care who he’s playing. The things he was doing can not be done by just anyone. He is a physical freak with that size and athleticism. If he shoots well as he did, he will be by far the best player in college basketball and Duke will be in the running for the national title. That being said, hitting shots in one game against poor does not mean he hit jump shots against quality competition. If he does he will have an Anthony Davis like impact but that’s a big if.

I said you can’t base anything off of a game against that sorry excuse for a basketball team. You can’t say he’s the top pick today, we’ve yet to see him against competition in an organized manner. Duke was literally wide open all game. At times no one in the area of the shooter at all.

He’s not AD because he won’t be able to make that kind of impact on defense. So that’s ruled out completely.

Duke is going to be good, and Zion is a top pick. His potential alone will dictate that outcome. But everyone claiming he’s Lebron need to slow down. He wasn’t boxed out or defended all night. It was an awful scrub team, just like the ones he’s used to playing.

 

[3kidsandme]

1. Why? Interior players are marginalized in today’s games. Guards and wings are what matters.
2. That’s true of every team. You don’t get quality pg play, you aren’t winning.
3. O’Connell is established so save your supposedly. Reddish will be 2 and Barrett will be 3 (watch). Your assumption about pt is false. When you have players that can actually play multiple positions and not just call themselves a 2 when they are obviously a 3/4, is that there are a lot of lineups that make sense. Plenty of pt for all that matter.
4. So? K plays 7-8 no matter what. Duke has that when healthy. You don’t win titles based on your 8th, 9th and 10th guys. You win because your studs show up. If you want to run your 7,8,9 out there for extended minutes against any teams 2,3,4 that’s not going to go well.

Again, I’m not saying duke will or won’t win. I’m saying that playing short handed, Duke didn’t look any better or worse than uk did in their game 1 when they went out and threw up 2-20 from 3. Teams improve and this season (not just nov 6) will be won or lost based on how quickly these unproven teams and players improve.

Dude your not as good as KY. It's OK just admit it and move forward with therapy that *** whopping gonna bring.