Cal saw Grimes again today
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Man....they've put a lot of work in on Grimes the past 5 weeks. Unreal! It sure seems like Cal wants Grimes & Johnson...not just one or the other.
I think Cal wants..
Quickley-PG
Grimes-CG
Barrett or Johnson at the Wing
Zion
Bol
Quickley-PG
Grimes-CG
Barrett or Johnson at the Wing
Zion
Bol
Exactly, and I think it is because he also feels he will lose at least 5.
Richards, PJ, Knox, Diallo and one of Gabriel/Alexander.
I believe his goal is to get green one and done if it goes as planned.
Making Green OAD is a hell of a project. For a prospective NBA player, the kid is well below average in every physical metric. His handles, shooting, and floor vision will need to be flawless (like Ulis) to make that jump. As a reference point, it took Ulis two years to go pro, and he didn't even get picked in the first round. And Tyler Ulis is the greatest fundamental basketball player I've ever seen at the college level.
Green has a steep climb ahead of him.
I totally agree. In the end though I think we miss on GRimes and find another guard in the spring maybe thru grad transfer .I think our class will be
Zion ( 1 or 2 in all rankings ) Bol Bol ( consensus top 4 player) Quickley ( top 10 players and the best pg in HS ) Johnson ( top 10-15 player ) and then I think we add another guard and another PF somewhere by May.
The flood gates have opened since the Adidas scandal was revealed. Ain't no coach going to risk paying a kid now, not with the FBI nosing around. So Cal is capitalizing as he should - get out there and close the door on them all before the smoke clears and more rogue coaches from other programs try different methods to cheat.
I know Cal said he plans on Quade being a OAD, but to be fair i think SGA is more likely to go at this point. Elite defensive potential, elite size of position, good pace of play.... if he proves he can score even a little and run a team, i could see him playing his way into 1st round.
This.
It will be interesting to see if he signs five this Fall. I would say that means Cal expects a lot more to leave than most of us thought.
Also, those five go together very well. I think this is a team built around Williamson. Quickley, Grimes, Johnson, and Bol have perfect skills to compliment Williamson.
Give Williamson the ball on the block or in the high post facing the basket and teams will either double team him or switch to zone. Quickley, Grimes, Johnson, and Bol should pick apart any zones. Quickley, Grimes, and Bol have great jumpers. Johnson has been working on his diligently.
Those guys along with some key returnees definitely look like a title contender.
Probably just me, but I really think Grimes is very underrated. I really like this kid and hope Cal signs him up.
Seen where IQ was given props as best shooter at USA camp. This tells me a Garland/Quickly backcourt could work even thought it seems Cal favors Grimes. I think we will get 1 of the 2.
If grimes mom had not played for kansas, he would already be Kentucky's to lose. Cal has overcame the home school advantage before that parents or other family had played for a school like malik monk and kevin knox..
Why do people think Green or SGA are OAD material?
Green doesn’t possess greet speed or athleticism for a small guard or dead eye shooting.
He wasn’t even ranked top 20 in high school this year...
I think the Ulis 2 year point made above is accurate.
People are going crazy over SGA, but why didn’t his size translate into a top 30 player in high school?
But he will be top 30 in the NBA draft in less than 12 months?
He most likely won’t even start on his college team.
Fans complain about players wanting to leave early but set expectations that nonstarters should or might be OADs.
I don’t get it.
https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2017
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Green will have to shoot better than 40% from 3 and average 8 assists per game to be OAD. If he does that, we're winning a title.
Green’s barely 6’, a pass-first PG and doesn’t have blazing speed or athleticism. Only at UK would people consider him a OAD candidate.
I don't think he is a OAD candidate, but according to an interview with Green, Cal thinks he is.
If Cal thinks he is, then I am sure Green thinks he is, and if both of those guys still think he is at the end of the season, then he is gone.
Maybe both realize that he is never going to be a first rounder because of his size, and are hoping he has a great year and can get drafted and started on a pro career.
Green may really need money. He might not be able to afford to stay another year.
There are other factors to consider when trying to guess whether a player will stay or not.
I tend to think both are back. The conservative in me says at least one will be back.
Those implying that PJ and Alexander will be OAD - on top of Richards, Knox, Diallo, and Vanderbilt - are not thinking through the process of how hard it is to make the first round. UK's not sending five guys to the first round next summer. Four is a stretch, let alone five or six.
I think it's just a reaction to the way most of Cal's PG's have been OAD. They think all of them will be. I think Green will be a likely 2-3 player, maybe even a 4 year kid.
There are likely a few multi year players in this class. Now, with Cal and his staff, these kids do make major strides and put themselves in the position to leave.
KNox and Diallo are likely gone. There are two open spots now and if they leave, that's two more. IQ is already on board, that leaves 3 more. Hopefully ZW and Bol for sure. That likely leaves one spot for Barrett, KJ, or Grimes imo.
This is all just fun specualtion though. WG and SKJ could have breakout years create more room
Green is poor man's Ulis and SGA is a poor mans Andrew Harrison. Both needed 2nd years to even be drafted.
Have you guys paid attention to the last 8 years with cal at uk?
He has re-written the handbook on Frosh being ready for the league after one year of college (not just getting drafted but as Pat Riley and Phil Jackson have said, Kentucky guys are ready when they come into the nba).
I happen to think PJ, Knox, Diallo, Richards will be first rounders and still a good chance we lose one of Gabriel/green/Alexander.
So yes I think we lose a minimum of 5.
And I also believe they will go get us #9.
These dudes are going to give us a fun ride all year and then ball out in March.
I don't think Green is a OAD. I do think SGA has a damn good shot. You can't teach a 7 foot wingspan playing PG. I thought he looked really impressive shooting the ball and defensively.
You just keep on believing while some of us stay grounded here on planet earth. PJ and Richards have a shot at being 1 and done because of their physical gifts........ SGA and Green dont have that gift of athleticism and thus would have to be studs to be one and done. something that just isnt going to happen
Just because Cal is the coach doesn't necessarily translate into being drafted as we have seen.
My question is what do you see in Green that makes you think he is a top 30 player in the draft or even shows the "potential" that NBA likes to be an OAD?
Cool story bro.
what happens to your recruiting when FBIputsbabyinthecorner ? i keed i keed
I still think that Knox and Richards are lottery picks. Diallo leaves regardless of his draft status. The kid almost left this summer. Washington is a first rounder, most likely, given his measurables and his work ethic.
Those four close to locks in my mind.
Now the rest are up in the air.
Many expected Gabriel to leave after one year, but he stayed. I would not be surprised if he jumps after this season, regardless of draft position.
Vanderbilt had lottery written all over him before the injury. Now three injuries in a year's time might have altered that perception. Vanderbilt has to prove he can remain healthy before someone spends a first round pick on him, I would think. He is not Harry Giles good, so I don't expect him to play a little this season and go in the first round. Unless he comes back on fire and shows he is worth the risk, he will have to return. Of course, he might leave while he can and get in the league as soon as he can before he suffers another setback.
Green should be back unless he really needs the cash. He is not going to be a first rounder with his measurables. But if someone promises him a second round guarantee, he is gone.
Gilgeous-Alexander won't get enough minutes at the 1 to show he can run a team. Doubt he leaves, but his measurables are good. If he is set on being OAD, he might leave, but he will most likely be back.
Killeya-Jones is probably back, unless he has a breakout year.
Baker and Wynyard should be back, but with guys likely outside the rotation, transfer is always a possibility. Also, Wynyard could opt to return home and play professionally. He is probably close to finishing his degree.
I tend to think we get at least four, most likely five back.
Been saying we get at least one of Green or Gilgeous-Alexander back. Probably both.
Been saying we get one of Vanderbilt or Gabriel back, though we could lose both.
Been saying we get at least one of SKJ or Wynyard back. Probably both.
Baker should be back.
Most likely I figure: Green, Gilgeous-Alexander, Baker, Killeya-Jones, and Wynyard.
Add Quickley, Grimes, Johnson, Williamson, and Bol and we are good to go for 2018-19.
Those four close to locks in my mind.
Now the rest are up in the air.
Many expected Gabriel to leave after one year, but he stayed. I would not be surprised if he jumps after this season, regardless of draft position.
Vanderbilt had lottery written all over him before the injury. Now three injuries in a year's time might have altered that perception. Vanderbilt has to prove he can remain healthy before someone spends a first round pick on him, I would think. He is not Harry Giles good, so I don't expect him to play a little this season and go in the first round. Unless he comes back on fire and shows he is worth the risk, he will have to return. Of course, he might leave while he can and get in the league as soon as he can before he suffers another setback.
Green should be back unless he really needs the cash. He is not going to be a first rounder with his measurables. But if someone promises him a second round guarantee, he is gone.
Gilgeous-Alexander won't get enough minutes at the 1 to show he can run a team. Doubt he leaves, but his measurables are good. If he is set on being OAD, he might leave, but he will most likely be back.
Killeya-Jones is probably back, unless he has a breakout year.
Baker and Wynyard should be back, but with guys likely outside the rotation, transfer is always a possibility. Also, Wynyard could opt to return home and play professionally. He is probably close to finishing his degree.
I tend to think we get at least four, most likely five back.
Been saying we get at least one of Green or Gilgeous-Alexander back. Probably both.
Been saying we get one of Vanderbilt or Gabriel back, though we could lose both.
Been saying we get at least one of SKJ or Wynyard back. Probably both.
Baker should be back.
Most likely I figure: Green, Gilgeous-Alexander, Baker, Killeya-Jones, and Wynyard.
Add Quickley, Grimes, Johnson, Williamson, and Bol and we are good to go for 2018-19.
SGA might not even start.
I agree that measurables go along way with big men, see WCS. But guards? No so much.
Also, SGA is not close to the player Diallo is or near as explosive and he came back.
These are 3rd party measurements, not the UK combine (which has proven to be shaky at best).
SGA 6'6 and 6'10 1/2 wingspan 2017 Hoop Summit
Diallo 6'5 and 6'11 1/4 wingspan 2017 NBA Draft Combine
Diallo came back and unless SGA shows some really serious skills and beats out Green, how does he have a shot of being a true OAD? (which I consider as a 1st round pick)
Meh, he very well might not be OAD. I just think he has a much better shot than that of Green. I never thought Booker or Daniel Orton would be OAD either. We will see.
I think its more of me thinking one is leaving vs him actually being ready. We continue to recruit back court players so ya gotta think someone leaves right? if we return Quade, SGA, and Baker, then bring in Quickley and say Grimes. 5 guys that talented and deep sounds hard to manage, not that Cal couldn't it just seems tough. I just see more physical gifts from SGA that would make NBA teams drool. Not that hes NBA ready, not that I want him to leave, but if its between him or Quade Id just think he'd be the one. Having said that, season hasn't even started yet, so I guess we'll have to see how things play out.
Cal's recruiting just in case. Remember several years ago he vowed to never be caught short handed again.
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