U-19 Semi Finals
- Thread starter wldcat04_rivals
- Start date
Where did the New York Post writer, who posted that, attend school (above high school)?
The New York Post is a sensationalist newspaper.
they do headlines like this:
http://nypost.com/2017/06/27/cop-has-extraterrestrial-encounter-during-traffic-stop/
The New York Post is a sensationalist newspaper.
they do headlines like this:
http://nypost.com/2017/06/27/cop-has-extraterrestrial-encounter-during-traffic-stop/
Didn't watch but sounds like what we hear a lot on the board after a Cats loss. Cal is stubborn and set in his ways. All great coaches are. Sometimes that bites them in the ***. Cal is always going to play the better athlete over the guy who perhaps could have helped more situationally. He equates that to being able to defend better. It is what it is.
No motion in the offense, it was a hard game to watch. If Coach Cal wanted to be the next USA Olympic coach after Popp quits, not going to happen.
There are those here who feel any criticism against the team, the coach, players, or anything related to the program makes you a bad fan. There are also those that will defend against any of those negative comments no matter what. OK. I feel a discussion board is for discussion.
Cal is obviously a great coach and recruiter, he is in the Hall of Fame, has been to several final fours and has a national championship. You can't be bad and accomplish what he has achieved. Nevertheless, I agree with an earlier poster who said he gets a grade C on in or during the game coaching. Let's be honest. We almost lost that Championship game to Kansas when the last several minutes we slowed down and the coach allowed it to happen. A great defensive play by MKG ended any chance for the Kansas come-back. But, those same observations hurt and cost us against Wisconsin with a clearly superior Kentucky team. Same thing that occurred today happened against West Virginia. John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, Patrick Patterson, Demarcus Cousins losing to that WVU team who was missing their starting Point Guard who had been injured in the game before???? This Under 19 team had much more talent on their roster than Canada. Canada made adjustments and took advantage of individual player weaknesses and the USA didn't. It also bothered me in that one kid's blog that talked about how Cal doesn't correct or get upset with mistakes and just coaches on effort. Really? That to me was not a ringing endorsement.
Cal is an amazing recruiter and an amazing psychologist in helping a team bond and play unselfish overall. But, he has been out-coached by others during a game. He is going to continue to be a great representative for Kentucky and I wouldn't want any other coach, but can't you say both the good and the bad?
Cal is obviously a great coach and recruiter, he is in the Hall of Fame, has been to several final fours and has a national championship. You can't be bad and accomplish what he has achieved. Nevertheless, I agree with an earlier poster who said he gets a grade C on in or during the game coaching. Let's be honest. We almost lost that Championship game to Kansas when the last several minutes we slowed down and the coach allowed it to happen. A great defensive play by MKG ended any chance for the Kansas come-back. But, those same observations hurt and cost us against Wisconsin with a clearly superior Kentucky team. Same thing that occurred today happened against West Virginia. John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, Patrick Patterson, Demarcus Cousins losing to that WVU team who was missing their starting Point Guard who had been injured in the game before???? This Under 19 team had much more talent on their roster than Canada. Canada made adjustments and took advantage of individual player weaknesses and the USA didn't. It also bothered me in that one kid's blog that talked about how Cal doesn't correct or get upset with mistakes and just coaches on effort. Really? That to me was not a ringing endorsement.
Cal is an amazing recruiter and an amazing psychologist in helping a team bond and play unselfish overall. But, he has been out-coached by others during a game. He is going to continue to be a great representative for Kentucky and I wouldn't want any other coach, but can't you say both the good and the bad?
Goodman has already started. I expect Forde to tweet out a dig at Cal or like a negative tweet any moment now.
Jeff GoodmanVerified account@GoodmanESPN
Jeff Goodman Retweeted USA Basketball
Canada beats Calipari-coached USA team in the semis of the U-19s.
Lol, ALMOST lost the NC game (to a pretty good ku team) drops him to a C in game coach? Smh
Last edited:
I hate that goober but his tweet was fine. Are people supposed to ignore this loss completely and not report it?
A
anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y
Guest
Dumb take. So you might as well say if it weren't for AD blocking everything they shot inside, we would have lost. Instead of giving Cal credit for being up on a pretty good opponent, you chose the negative route, which sheds light on how you truly feel about Cal. Some of you are ignorant about basketball.
OK, I get it. To be fair, when something goes right, it's the players. Wrong...Coach Cal.
2011 didn't gel into a tough team dropping close road games throughout the season. They didn't knock off tourney favorite OSU in a possession by possession struggle. Or if they did, coaching had nothing to do with it.
Ditto 2014. They were terrible, then they just turned it on. Good thing we had Aaron Harrison, because everyone knows Cal can't coach. And he went and proved it against UCONN. The dummy.
No, He just had to put in there "Calipari coached USA team". It was a subtle dig at Cal, because he has an agenda against him. Everyone knows who the coach is. You think he would've done that with any other coach?
Ah yes, the vaunted "Cal almost blew the game that one time he won the Title" argument. One of my favorites.
You might want to toss in, "He had to have a once in a generation talent to pull it off."
Or even go for the trifecta with Jay Bilas' favorite..."remember, Kendall Marshall was injured."
It should be reported but was the USA loss today all about bad coaching or bad play by the players?
Look at the box score. USA shot less than 33% from the field.
http://www.fiba.com/ls/#13204&13213-47-A
Was Canada's D that good?
He deserves to be criticized, any USA basketball team losing to another country is an embarrassment. 1 future NBA player just single handedly beat at least 8 of them.
Of course I wanted the USA to win like I do every other national team. But I won't lose one second of sleep over this loss nor will I think about it again.
Sing his praise (Barrett) to the highest. It was just "ONE DAY". Life is not based on 1 day. I hope for the young man he makes future fans say "Lebron who" but Totally unlikely. Salute to him and his teammates for winning the game today handedly.
Canada won the game because they had the best player and because as a team, they wanted the win more than the USA team.
No their D wasn't good, just we didn't have no execution at all. Just stagnant offense.
Absolutely correct. That doesn't mean Cal shouldn't be criticized, he's the first USA coach to lose since 2011, that's an embarrassment no matter how well Barrett played.
Some people embarrass easily. You realize this is flash news, here today and gone tomorrow type news. I wanted the USA to win today but it didn't turn out that way. Enjoying following the games of the USA team. I will monitor the game tomorrow cause I don't have access to espn3 right now.
Personally, I am looking forward to the football season to start.
If you're that embarrassed, why not find a new team to support? Because Cal is going to be here, WINNING, for a long time.
Offense tends to stagnate when you don't make shots. Did you watch the game? Tell the truth.
How could you imply that Cal coaches a "non attack" offense? If the players cannot execute what the coach asked them to do, who is wrong with that? (The coach?)
He's the first USA U19 Coach to lose in World Cup play since 2011. Getting the "stat" correct provides a great deal of context and might help alleviate some of your embarrassment.
Except people don't actually care enough about this to know all of that or to even understand how many games that means.
When I first heard Team USA lost, I was mad. Then I looked at the box score, and I'm not mad at Cal. Reddish and Quickley went 0-6 from the three-point line, and they are both excellent shooters. Hami went 2/11 from the field, and he's a top-10 SG. The team missed 18 free throws. None of that has anything to do with Cal. And this all happened with an under-manned USA squad. A lot of the best players did not accept invitations because the tournament was held in Egypt. The guy who would have been the best scorer on the team in their absence (Knox) got injured during tryouts. One of our top shooters (Langford), got injured after the roster was fixed. And that disadvantageous situation, combined with a freakishly-poor, single-game performance from the entire team (except maybe Pritchard and Wiley), was only exploited because the most transcendent talent in the entire tournament was on the other team, having his best game of the tournament, at that exact moment.
It's probably a credit to Cal that we didn't lose by 30. This game didn't affect my opinion on anything in the slightest.
It's probably a credit to Cal that we didn't lose by 30. This game didn't affect my opinion on anything in the slightest.
This is nothing more than hype over something that doesn't exist. Since 2011, there has been just 2 U19 Playoffs, USA won both those. Before that, USA teams never did better than 2nd in the U19. (2009, 3rd., 2007, 2nd., 2003, USA didn't win a medal, 1999, 2nd, 1995, no medal
Being a great coach and coaching well in a game aren't the same. It happens. This team excelled by getting pts in transition and off their pressure defense. To come out and use the strategy, build a 10 pt lead and then go away from it? Why? Only he/coaches know.
The attitude from the get go was tenuous with guys not sure they wanted to go, etc...and it just was a crappy way to end this. Commend the young men and Coaches for taking on the challenge, but just wish they had played the style that they were best suited to play. Roy Rana is a very good Coach and Canada is going to be tough moving forward (Wiggins, Barrett, Murray in a one game scenario is not going to be fun to face in FIBA) but Team USA helped them as that was going to have to happen. Some was physical, but strategically it was awful from US perspective.
The attitude from the get go was tenuous with guys not sure they wanted to go, etc...and it just was a crappy way to end this. Commend the young men and Coaches for taking on the challenge, but just wish they had played the style that they were best suited to play. Roy Rana is a very good Coach and Canada is going to be tough moving forward (Wiggins, Barrett, Murray in a one game scenario is not going to be fun to face in FIBA) but Team USA helped them as that was going to have to happen. Some was physical, but strategically it was awful from US perspective.
I could nitpick any coach over the last 8 years when they lost games because of their teams shooting poorly. Cal's modern contemporary, Coach K, has been to 3 Elite Eights in 13 years. That means he's lost a hell of a lot of games because of, by your standard, "lack of adjustments," and he's lost a ton of those games in the first or second rounds. Let's nitpick him with references to Mercer, Lehigh, South Carolina, the 'Nova blowout about a decade ago, the LSU blowout before that, etc. How about Bill Self, who has lost almost every meaningful tournament game that he's coached in since he's been at Kansas? What about Izzo? Does Cal have a glaring loss like MTSU on his resume when he has a top 1-3 seed?
Just who are these juggernaut X and O coaches you and your friends are implying are so amazing and vastly superior to Cal? Also, it's comical that none of you have yet to list even one play that should have been run in any of these games Cal lost. What adjustments should have been made in the heat of battle? You and your friends have only had 8 freaking years to evaluate the WVU loss, and I've yet to see one of you ever post an alternative to taking a wide-open jump shot when the lane is packed like 5 sumo wrestling circus clowns in a micro-hybrid. And what of the 13 missed free throws? Let's see the list, but be ready because I imagine a few fans might retort by statistically handing your tails to you regarding whomever you have on that coaching perch of yours.
So yeah, it's fine to hear the other side. It's just that posters like you do a vastly inferior job of actually creating a compelling argument there.
Last edited:
Not really a big deal.
It would have been nice to win but I quickly forgot about this game as soon as it was over and no one will be talking about it once the tournament is done lol
It would have been nice to win but I quickly forgot about this game as soon as it was over and no one will be talking about it once the tournament is done lol
I doubt we get any 5 star players now that Cal is exposed as a terrible coach.
The current recruiting class will probably transfer out as well.
Maybe he can call Coach K next time and ask about that premier spacing system he runs at Duke.
And then get his *** beat by 20 points against the SEC's 4th best team.
Maybe Cal told the guys to miss almost 20 free throws? Let me guess, he should have prepared them better for that as well, right?
Cal should and will take heat for the loss, but you seem way too eager, man.
That's pretty telling as far as where you're coming from.
Jakarri taking the lazy narrative isn't really surprising.
In hindsight, they should have stuck with it (and you actually called it in-game, which is why you're a coach and I'm not), but I know Cal's approach is that pressing as the superior team gives them a chance at easy baskets.
I agree with him in principle. I'm also not sure how much they've worked on in 3 weeks.
I assume his plan was to jump on them early with the press and then settle in and play them straight up with a 10 point cushion and not give up easy buckets to let them back in it. Problem was, Diallo took himself out of the game with stupid fouls and no one could begin to check Barrett.