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DevilFan1989

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Duke as a 3 seed is laughable unless they win out . They ain't beating UNC at home and beating FSU is questionable. Duke isn't very good . They just aren't .
 

LineSkiCat14

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Big 12 officiating? Pretty sure ref crews alternate conferences and games all season------might want to check up on your big 12 officiating theory.

You telling me there isn't a difference in officiating from conference to conference? I thought it was a given that Big10 and SEC couldn't be any different and people that weren't complete dunces could tell as much?

The point being, you don't get to take AFH and all it's screw jobs with you.
 

toonces11

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Again not debating what KU did, especially with a short bench.

Going forward tho, you still have those same issues. I'm not sure why you'd think that wouldn't be an issue going foward
Not seeing where I said we aren't plagued with the same issues.....just said we have made a habit out of overcoming our roster weaknesses. I think 29 games is a solid sample size------If we play to our ability then we should be able to beat any team in front of us. In two of our three losses, all to top 25 teams btw......the teams scorched the nets from 3 point range. ISU hit 18 and needed OT to beat us and IU hit 15 NBA 3's to beat us in OT. We just sh8t the bed in morgantown----got outplayed.
 
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Not seeing where I said we aren't plagued with the same issues.....just said we have made a habit out of overcoming our roster weaknesses. I think 29 games is a solid sample size------If we play to our ability then we should be able to beat any team in front of us. In two of our three losses, all to top 25 teams btw......the teams scorched the nets from 3 point range. ISU hit 18 and needed OT to beat us and IU hit 15 NBA 3's to beat us in OT. We just sh8t the bed in morgantown----got outplayed.

And TBH that game in Morgantown wasn't awful. It was close most of the game. Was a 60-59 game with 10 mins left. They just kinda fell apart at the end.
 

LineSkiCat14

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I look forward to hearing why Michigan Sta and Wisconsin can go full halves with only 2-3 fouls, when you could count on one hand the number of times an SEC team WASN'T in the double bonus before halftime..
 
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Montana81

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KU was lucky to get past Duke without Giles, Tatum, and Bolden the first time. Now, I'm not saying those guys are otherworldly, but it's worth mentioning that Mason had to hit a buzzer beater to eek out the W. Very real chance that if we take care of biz, we play Duke. Zona makes me nervous though.

They've been lucky to win a lot of the games they have.
 

LineSkiCat14

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I mean, I'm trying to walk you through WHY Kansas sucks in the tournament so much.. It seems pretty clear that playing outside of the Big12 is a problem for them..

But if you want to settle on the fact that they simply choke and can't win big games.. have it..
 

toonces11

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And TBH that game in Morgantown wasn't awful. It was close most of the game. Was a 60-59 game with 10 mins left. They just kinda fell apart at the end.
We are not a juggernaut team----We are susceptible to the upset b/c we rely on outside shooting quite a bit----but have Jackson running the four and mason being able to drive at will has saved our a** numerous times.
 
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We are not a juggernaut team----We are susceptible to the upset b/c we rely on outside shooting quite a bit----but have Jackson running the four and mason being able to drive at will has saved our a** numerous times.

The good news for both KU and UK is I don't think there's really one team out there that is a juggernaut this season.
 

toonces11

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The good news for both KU and UK is I don't think there's really one team out there that is a juggernaut this season.
And each team has a player or two that can go all Kemba Walker and put the team on their back. There are a handful of teams I'd rather not face based on matchups-----esp ugly ball teams (virginia, WVU, UL)
 

Slowwalker

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Its b/c you have one guy that can shoot from the outside, you have 2 guys that play the four that cant guard their own shadow, and bam has little to no back to the basket game----thats why a guy like lucas,who isn't nearly as talented, can hold him to 3 buckets. Every team has injuries. We still beat duke hitting 2 3 point shots----very rare for us to go 2 -17. Duke either got lucky or just guarded the perimeter very well.
Try again. We have 4 guys who avg. .345 or better from behind the arc that play meaningful minutes. Our defense is improving and ranked much better than KU's, Bam is a completely different beast than he was when we played. Lucas is not holding him to 3 baskets in a rematch.

The fact is, KU has barely won quite a few games and a the majority were by suspect/non calls in their favor. These included fouls, travels not called, over the line guarding the person bringing the ball in, etc. This is the exact reason you will get bounced early. It is what KU does. It is why KU has to celebrate conference titles and Helm's banners.
 
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And each team has a player or two that can go all Kemba Walker and put the team on their back. There are a handful of teams I'd rather not face based on matchups-----esp ugly ball teams (virginia, WVU, UL)

Yep. honestly I would lump KU and UK both in a group of maybe 8 teams with a real shot at winning this thing.
 

toonces11

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Yep. honestly I would lump KU and UK both in a group of maybe 8 teams with a real shot at winning this thing.
Wouldn't argue that at all. I personally feel like the two best rosters to make a run are nova and unc if I had to bet. Ucla Should be a lot better than they are having leaf and welsh surrounded by all those shooters
 
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Kansas is a good team simply because of their experience. Lucas is a 5th year senior going on 24. Graham is 23 years old and a junior. Mason is pushing 23. They're basically playing against kids.
 
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Montana81

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Are you high?

He's not unfortunately. They've got 9 top 50 wins. Which is more than every other team in the country except Butler, Nova(10 each), FSU and UNC.

The last few years the committee has put a ton of weight on record versus top 50. Duke is 9-5. UK is 6-4 right now.

Duke has the one bad loss. UK also has a higher RPI.

I don't know. It's hard to say exactly what the committee is going to do. We were ahead of both Butler and Duke when the mid season seeding came out. But both of their overall bodies of work kind of go along better with what we've been told matters in past years.

I feel like we're being set up to get f***ed again.
 

thebluestripes

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Really does it matter what anyone says right now?Every year the ncaa finds a way of giving us the toughest bracket, whether it makes a lick of sense or not.
Find the toughest region and just go ahead and pencil us in lol
 

jarms24

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He's not unfortunately. They've got 9 top 50 wins. Which is more than every other team in the country except Butler, Nova(10 each), FSU and UNC.

The last few years the committee has put a ton of weight on record versus top 50. Duke is 9-5. UK is 6-4 right now.

Duke has the one bad loss. UK also has a higher RPI.

I don't know. It's hard to say exactly what the committee is going to do. We were ahead of both Butler and Duke when the mid season seeding came out. But both of their overall bodies of work kind of go along better with what we've been told matters in past years.

I feel like we're being set up to get f***ed again.
Their wins are good, no doubt. That sub 100 loss at home is a dagger though.
 

Croswell

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What in the lord's name are you talking about? Your best win recently is against a Florida team at home that was without its best post player in Egbunu. Even without Hicks, UNC still has Kennedy Meeks and Tony Bradley manning the post.

UK plays in the SEC so the entire conference season for you guys is an easy stretch. [roll]

You call a 7 game winning streak @Wake, @ND, Pitt, UNC, Clemson, @UVA and Wake an easy stretch? UK's lost to every team with a pulse besides UNC and Florida.

I would take Duke's bench of Jackson, Giles and Bolden over UK's group of Dom, Mulder, Willis and Hump all day long.

The only way UK will make a run is if Monk carries them but we both know he's not going to have 6 big games in a row.


That's nonsense to say he has to have 6 great games in a row. Get out of here and go trip your mom or something.
 

mash_24

Heisman
Sep 26, 2011
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What in the lord's name are you talking about? Your best win recently is against a Florida team at home that was without its best post player in Egbunu. Even without Hicks, UNC still has Kennedy Meeks and Tony Bradley manning the post.

UK plays in the SEC so the entire conference season for you guys is an easy stretch. [roll]

You call a 7 game winning streak @Wake, @ND, Pitt, UNC, Clemson, @UVA and Wake an easy stretch? UK's lost to every team with a pulse besides UNC and Florida.

I would take Duke's bench of Jackson, Giles and Bolden over UK's group of Dom, Mulder, Willis and Hump all day long.

The only way UK will make a run is if Monk carries them but we both know he's not going to have 6 big games in a row.

Counting Wake twice, 4 of those teams are average as hell. Much like the middle of the SEC. UVA has some good moments and can also look terrible. Notre Dame is pretty good. UNC is very good. Of course as you mentioned we beat them on a neutral floor. Don't act like that stretch is some sort of murderers row. You lost at home to NC State and quite possibly could go into the tournament with 10 losses. You better hope you get your usual help or it's a early spring break for the Dookies.
 
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TankedCat

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Nov 8, 2006
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I am watching College Basketball Scoreboard with Seth and Jason. They are interviewing Joe Lunardi and he has a white board behind him with days and teams. On Tuesday he has Ga Tech and Vanderbilt circled with Seton Hall and Providence not circled.

I wonder what that means
 

KneeBurns

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I mean, I'm trying to walk you through WHY Kansas sucks in the tournament so much.. It seems pretty clear that playing outside of the Big12 is a problem for them..

??? KU is 12-2 in the road/neutral, with wins at Rupp and vs Duke.

But if you want to settle on the fact that they simply choke and can't win big games.. have it..

Never thought I'd see the day when beating Kentucky and Duke weren't considered big games
 

LineSkiCat14

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Are Kansas fans that dumb to think beating a severely injured Duke team is worth anything. Beating UK AT UK is impressive. Beating Duke in November with a severely depleted team? lol.
 

irishcat1965

Heisman
Apr 22, 2012
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What in the lord's name are you talking about? Your best win recently is against a Florida team at home that was without its best post player in Egbunu. Even without Hicks, UNC still has Kennedy Meeks and Tony Bradley manning the post.

UK plays in the SEC so the entire conference season for you guys is an easy stretch. [roll]

You call a 7 game winning streak @Wake, @ND, Pitt, UNC, Clemson, @UVA and Wake an easy stretch? UK's lost to every team with a pulse besides UNC and Florida.

I would take Duke's bench of Jackson, Giles and Bolden over UK's group of Dom, Mulder, Willis and Hump all day long.

The only way UK will make a run is if Monk carries them but we both know he's not going to have 6 big games in a row.
Duke is hot garbage right now and will lose at UNC. There is also a good chance FSU beats your overrated asses again. You pretenders will also lose in the ACC tournament.
 

LineSkiCat14

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I mean FFS.. they have practically no big men that game. Jefferson is coming off missing almost the entire year prior, and Jeter plays what, like 25 minutes? Only Jawhawk fans somehow count that as a "true" win. These guys really can't look past the W/L column.. can't see the Forrest through the trees.
 

toonces11

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yeah, Duke's been basically unstoppable with that full roster
You could look up these dudes posts in the duke hating threads and you'll see them talk non stop trash on dukes freshmen. Then they try to prop them up in this thread. It's funny and sad.
 

LineSkiCat14

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Can't answer. Thought so. Id love for you to once answer one question one of us gives you.. Instead of divert and deflect..
 

Midway Cat

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Feb 7, 2004
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ESPN should have a daily show where they invite college basketball fans to discuss the most recent bracket projections/seedings/matchups from Lunardi.

It's useless at this point, but a show like that would be far more entertaining than most of the "content" they're putting out during February/March.
 
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JL-23

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duke and Kansas fan's got a long leash in this thread I see lol

I can dig some good old fashioned trash talk though :sunglasses:
 

YourPublicEnemy

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Who cares? We're going to have to play someone tough and we know Duke will get put in a cake bracket.

I'm not afraid of anyone, really. Why? Because there are no "amazing" teams this year. There's some very good teams but no one that is a sure loss. With us, I see a Sweet 16 appearance as probably the end for us but could see us going further depending on how it goes. We have the talent to make a run. That's all you can ask for.
 

CincyUKFan

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What in the lord's name are you talking about? Your best win recently is against a Florida team at home that was without its best post player in Egbunu. Even without Hicks, UNC still has Kennedy Meeks and Tony Bradley manning the post.

UK plays in the SEC so the entire conference season for you guys is an easy stretch. [roll]

You call a 7 game winning streak @Wake, @ND, Pitt, UNC, Clemson, @UVA and Wake an easy stretch? UK's lost to every team with a pulse besides UNC and Florida.

I would take Duke's bench of Jackson, Giles and Bolden over UK's group of Dom, Mulder, Willis and Hump all day long.

The only way UK will make a run is if Monk carries them but we both know he's not going to have 6 big games in a row.
He doesn't need six in a row. I'd say he needs three or four.
 
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JoeBeeHall

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As long as they beat FSU, Duke should move up to a 3 seed and stay there even if the Devils lose @ UNC as long as they win one game in the ACCT.

Duke's resume is simply too strong to be seeded lower than a 4 even if they lose out the rest of the way.

If Duke does the unexpected and beats FSU and UNC this week, they will actually move up a 2 seed.

Even if they lose to UNC but beat FSU on Tuesday and win the ACCT, they will take Kentucky's 2 seed.

If Duke wins out all the way including the ACCT, they will get the 4th 1 seed in the South region.
Maybe they will lose every game the rest of the way