Jarred Vanderbilt to UK !!!

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Or, what's so bad about this lineup?

PG Green - shooter and gamer
SF Vanderbilt - versatile, ball handler and passer
SF Gabriel - mid-range shooter and versatile
PF Washington - bruiser and hybrid
C SKJ - mid-range shooter and very nice overall offensive potential, and a shot blocker/rim protector
Gabriel can't defend perimeter players. Also assuming SKJ to improve enough to be a starter might be a reach.
 

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All these posters who are making fun of the "we need shooters" crowd who always bring up Cal's Final 4 appearances as a reason to worship him....do you realize how many final 4's he would have won had he actually had 3 point shooters? The only team that had 3 point shooters was the freshman combo of knight and lamb. Laugh all u want and throw them final 4 appearances out there...but had he had 3 ball shooters (meaning more than one at a time) he would have at the very minimum 3 championships here!
We've had multiple teams with multiple guys that started that could hit threes. You can still have an off night.
 

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JV is one hell of an offensive re bounder, number 2 in the EYBL and top 5 overall rebounder. That says 2 things, plays hard and hella athletic.
 

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I'm not saying to have some legit shooters isn't a good thing. In the tourney though, which is when it counts, the games are played in the half-court. In order to win 6, you have to be able to score inside. There have been MANY teams who shot great from 3 and got their stuff pushed in during the tournament cuz they couldn't get it done down low. If we have a strong inside game next year I'd certainly be on board with that. I hope we add Bamba, and Young. We'd have a very complete team.

Not with recent champions, that's not really been the case. The last two champs, 2016 Villanova and 2015 Duke, won the title with small four-guard type lineups that took a ton of threes and were far more perimeter than inside-oriented. Likewise, the driving force behind 2014 UConn was overwhelmingly the outside shooting and perimeter play of guards like Napier and Boatright. And 2013 UL also won it with a small ball approach that focused far more on the outside than inside.

Our 2012 team was really the last team to win a title with a big-ball approach, but even they had Lamb's stellar three-point shooting to stretch the floor. It's awfully damn hard to win a title nowadays if you don't have some elite outside shooting somewhere in your lineup.
 
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I don't know if you are aware of this, but there are other positions in basketball. See how far you get throwing five guards out there.
Have to ask- how much further are you going to get throwing 1 point guard and 4 power forwards and centers out there?

Cal's been fantastic. But if I'm being honest with myself, I'm starting to wonder if he's an option coach in the 80's or 90's watching all the newfangled pro-style passing attacks zip right past him. Or Phil Jackson, pining for the Triangle while some team drops 15 threes on the Knicks and beats them by 20.

That said, results are where it's at. Reality trumps philosophy, so let's just hope the reality of Cal winning more than anyone else keeps up.
 

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Well Pitino was an outstanding coach with a certain style of play and defense that was just light years ahead of everyone 20 years ago. Maybe Cal is seeing his style get old and left behind maybe he adjusts and keeps pushing the envelope only time will tell.
 

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Some of you are amazing. Cal just landed a fantastic prospect, giving us the current best class, again... and your very first reaction is finding some negatives in it. What a spoiled bunch we are. When Cal is gone, you folks will be the ones calling for a new coach every year.
Fantastic pickup! You're 100% correct! We have got some real morons posting in this thread! Get a top flight SF and SOME are still complaining!
 

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you must be confused. My name is Jason. Clearly states as much on my username. Hell, people even refer to my as such multiple times a day on here.

Do better.
Nah...not confused! Everyone knows you like to think of yourself as the "Maggard" on this board! Perhaps you should strive for better!
 
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Gabriel can't defend perimeter players. Also assuming SKJ to improve enough to be a starter might be a reach.

Wow. Given up on Gabriel and SKJ one-third the way through their freshman seasons. Tough crowd. I remember when we expected very good players to do exactly what SKJ and Gabriel are doing as a freshman.
 
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Why? Are you related to him? UK just got a stud player and you're worried about who they didn't get yet. Enjoy it man. UK has the #1 class right now and they're not done. Enjoy what they have, not what they don't.
You are right on. We are soooo spoiled. Kids a good get and I'm excited. If we get Knox fine, if not fine. Kid wants to be at UK. I'm fed up with these kids pushing out a commit date. If UK offers you better take it or get left behind. Are you listening Mr. Young?
 

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No everyone does not think he thinks he is Maggard, he is just someone who USED to work for Marc, but knows his **** about the game. Unlike you, who doesn't know jack ****, and only like to arm chair coach and ***** and moan. Shooters are all and good, but if you have shooters and can't defend or rebound worth a ****, you are nothing more than a mid major and end up with the CINDERELLA tag come march. Hell, Valpo (OMG bunch of white guys, they can shoot), constantly have several shooters. Yeah they get hot and make a game interesting against the big boys. Then the little shooters get tired legs, while big, strong athletes are still running up and down the floor scoring, rebounding, blocking shots, getting out on the break,,, and winning.
 

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No everyone does not think he thinks he is Maggard, he is just someone who USED to work for Marc, but knows his **** about the game. Unlike you, who doesn't know jack ****, and only like to arm chair coach and ***** and moan. Shooters are all and good, but if you have shooters and can't defend or rebound worth a ****, you are nothing more than a mid major and end up with the CINDERELLA tag come march. Hell, Valpo (OMG bunch of white guys, they can shoot), constantly have several shooters. Yeah they get hot and make a game interesting against the big boys. Then the little shooters get tired legs, while big, strong athletes are stilling running up and down the floor scoring, rebounding, blocking shoots, getting out on the break,,, and winning.
I wasn't bitching about shooters, so your point is moot!
 

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This too a T. Vanderbilt is a great pick up but Cal HAS to sign some shooters because right now none of the recruits can hit the Bree consistently. Green is a considered a below average shooter and the Canadian can't shoot at all as well as Vanderbilt. It should be a good defensive team but struggle in the half court big time.

The good thing is most will be back for year two (very likely all of them would be back for year two). There isn't anymore shooters who are also very good players left other than Knox as far as who Cal is recruiting so hopefully he can get two grad transfers who are 6'5 and above and can shoot


I just dont get it. Don't care who gets mad....CAL, SIGN SOME DAMN SHOOTERS!!!!!
 
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We start the you gest starting 5 in nation we win out all the way to Kansas by then we will be back in top 3 cause DUKE,UNC,UL, etc will beat up on each other. When its all said and done we are a 1 seed hell we might be #1 in country again by mid February IMO. That UL loss wasnt that bad of a loss IMO. We rip off the next 10 or so befor you know it we are going to be 20-2 ranked to lower then #3 in nation. Relax are ceiling is highest in nation. I still say we work ourselves back into #1 seed if the cats take care of business.
 
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It's not about not being happy it's about understanding what it will take to go far in the dance. It's a legit criticism when it comes to Cal especially for next year. You're right recruitment isn't over but it's also legit to be worried if you follow H.S basketball and realize there aren't many good shooters who are good enough to play at UK left out there.

You're right, you don't get it. Recruiting ain't over yet for one thing, and for another, is it not possible for players to improve. Sheesh. UK has gotten the #1 class and folks ain't happy. Ever wonder why this job at UK ages coaches so much. This is part of it.
 

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How spoiled this fan base is. Can you imagine what we would have done for the twentieth ranked player in America just eight years ago?

Now, he's not good enough for UK unless he shoots like Steph Curry. Unbelievable.
And Steph Curry wasn't ranked very highly. Nor was Draymond Green.
 

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It is what it is and being we are spoiled rotten we might have a down year next year. Positive side is we might have people return to make the next year a good one. Course I'm gonna.put a little faith in Cal to find someone to help us out on the outside.
 

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Cal looking to put together a team similar to 2012? At least the starters.

G Teague/Green- steady PG.
G Lamb/Young- shooter.
F Kidd-Gilchrist/Vanderbilt- big SF that can handle like a guard.
F Jones/Washington- good inside/outside combo.
F Davis/Bamba- long, athletic shotblocker.
 

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Knox is a very good shooter for a sf and will play that. He's just as likely to play SG as PF unless he goes to Duke or a school that has absolutely no power forward. His midrange pull up gamenis elite and he's a very very good athlete

Knox isn't exactly a sharpshooter out there. Also I bet Knox plays PF in college.
 

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Booker could. Harrison was mediocre at best...hit a few big ones in the tourney and everyone acted like he was an assasin. Willis is hardly a 3 point shooter. He had a streak last year...look at him now. I am not talking about players that can hit them occasionally, I am talking about reliant 3 point shooters...booker is the only you mentioned in this post.
Have to ask- how much further are you going to get throwing 1 point guard and 4 power forwards and centers out there?

Cal's been fantastic. But if I'm being honest with myself, I'm starting to wonder if he's an option coach in the 80's or 90's watching all the newfangled pro-style passing attacks zip right past him. Or Phil Jackson, pining for the Triangle while some team drops 15 threes on the Knicks and beats them by 20.

That said, results are where it's at. Reality trumps philosophy, so let's just hope the reality of Cal winning more than anyone else keeps up.
Its not going to be that extreme and it hasn't been since he's been here.
 
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Knox is a very good shooter for a sf and will play that. He's just as likely to play SG as PF unless he goes to Duke or a school that has absolutely no power forward. His midrange pull up gamenis elite and he's a very very good athlete
KNox will be a PF at Duke if he goes there ( not sure he will) . I think he might end up at FSU. Knox is a better shooter then Jarrod but not some marksmen .
 

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I'm thinking you haven't seen some of these guys if you named Duval/Bannon who are awful shooters, or maybe that was just as mistake since the rest of the guys you named are pretty good from the outside

in the 2017 class... guys that can stretch the floor at their respective position: Porter, Duval, Knox, Trent, Sexton, Bowen, Wilkes, Young, Washington, Brown, Lonnie Walker, MJ Walker, Petty, Coleman, Alexander-Walker, Waters, Ashton-Langford, Weatherspoon, O'Bannon, Green, Tucker, Randolph.

That's just in the top 40. We're not talking 40+% 3 point shooters. Just guys that can pull their man out and make a shot or be relied upon to knock down a jumper... and that doesn't include the big men that can shoot it from 10-15 feet like Carter.
 

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LOL , of course I'm not rated to him , but Vanderbilt is a worse version of two players we already have for next year. At this point our best offensive play will be an offensive rebound. Teams will be able to play 5 guys in the paint , pretty hard to drive on that defense. If we sign Young everything changes . If we sign Diallio it gets worse . We got the no.1 class in the country but the pieces don't fit .
Knox is not out of the picture. He is a wing forward that can score. he can shoot outside or create his own shot. No one on this board knows what Knox is going to do. Many think they do. Knox is very very interested in UK.. Vanderbilt will not sway him.
 

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Wow. Given up on Gabriel and SKJ one-third the way through their freshman seasons. Tough crowd. I remember when we expected very good players to do exactly what SKJ and Gabriel are doing as a freshman.
Sure, but they were good as Juniors and Seniors. SKJ will be around for a while. Gabriel might end up being good enough to leave this or next year but he's not a small forward and I don't see that changing.
 

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Not a marksman but compared to all the other recruits so far he is.

KNox will be a PF at Duke if he goes there ( not sure he will) . I think he might end up at FSU. Knox is a better shooter then Jarrod but not some marksmen .
 
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Knox is not out of the picture. He is a wing forward that can score. he can shoot outside or create his own shot. No one on this board knows what Knox is going to do. Many think they do. Knox is very very interested in UK.. Vanderbilt will not sway him.
I disagree. I think there is zero chance Knox comes now.
 

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You're right, you don't get it. Recruiting ain't over yet for one thing, and for another, is it not possible for players to improve. Sheesh. UK has gotten the #1 class and folks ain't happy. Ever wonder why this job at UK ages coaches so much. This is part of it.
And EVERY year...fans clamour for a SF
 
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