Hawkins started out of scholarship from my understanding so he wouldn't be eligible to go off and remain on the team. That is not permitted. If so, it would happen all the time. Someone would have to leave.
Luol Deng is better than any SF UK has ever produced...lets not get too cocky.
I really hope Wall, Boogie and Davis don't waste away on mediocre teams for their entire career.
Winning championships/being clutch in the Playoffs is what separates "good players" from "great players".
I hate how insecure our fan base is, are we really going to compare Tayshaun to Luol Deng? Tay Tay happened to play on a great Pistons team with no individual superstar but with a lot of great contributors like Chauncey, Rip, Rasheed, etcPrince, who won an NBA title and a gold medal, crushes that argument! Come on, Dookie....surely, you can do better!
Luol Deng is better than any SF UK has ever produced...lets not get too cocky.
~ Jamal Mashburn (combo 3/4 in NBA) & Goose might disagree...
Peaking right now? Do you really believe this? The dude averaged 18 and 7 in his 3rd year and is down to 12 and 6 at age 31. If you're going to argue stupid things at least don't be an idiot.I hate how insecure our fan base is, are we really going to compare Tayshaun to Luol Deng? Tay Tay happened to play on a great Pistons team with no individual superstar but with a lot of great contributors like Chauncey, Rip, Rasheed, etc
Deng is the 4th best SF if the playoffs right now behind Kawhi, PG13 and LeBron according to PER.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/seasontype/3
Prince never made an All-Star team and Mashburn has only one All-Star appearance.
Deng is a 2x All Star who's peaking right now.
Remind us again who shut down Kobe in the 2004 Finals as a second year pro. Or how about Allen Iverson and T Mac the year before, in the 2003 playoffs, as a rookie? Do you remember any of that or did you conveniently forget?! Just curious. [eyeroll]I hate how insecure our fan base is, are we really going to compare Tayshaun to Luol Deng? Tay Tay happened to play on a great Pistons team with no individual superstar but with a lot of great contributors like Chauncey, Rip, Rasheed, etc
Deng is the 4th best SF if the playoffs right now behind Kawhi, PG13 and LeBron according to PER.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/seasontype/3
Prince never made an All-Star team and Mashburn has only one All-Star appearance.
Deng is a 2x All Star who's peaking right now.
Please, keep posting! You are comedic gold, Duhon!I hate how insecure our fan base is, are we really going to compare Tayshaun to Luol Deng? Tay Tay happened to play on a great Pistons team with no individual superstar but with a lot of great contributors like Chauncey, Rip, Rasheed, etc
Deng is the 4th best SF if the playoffs right now behind Kawhi, PG13 and LeBron according to PER.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/seasontype/3
Prince never made an All-Star team and Mashburn has only one All-Star appearance.
Deng is a 2x All Star who's peaking right now.
Hmmm, interesting, thanks.
Deng isn't even sniffing Mashburn's level. That dude could have been a HOF'er if injuries hadn't riddled his career.Deng couldn't hold Mashburn's jock strap. Deng is on the downside of his career. He's hardly peaking. You seriously need to bend over and pull your head out of your Dukie ***.
someone needs to tell Capel that with that Duke education he should know that he doesn't need to put that apostrophe in "pros" to make it plural.
ahhh the joke is funny because UL hired ugly *** hookers to dance and sucky sucky recruits and players.
So funny.
I don't care if Hawkins doesn't play another second, asking him to give up his scholly would be complete BS.
Antoine was better than Deng as well.Mashburn was a 3 in the NBA and so was Taushaun. Both better than Deing in their prime or maybe a wash with Tayshaun.
Antoine was better than Deng as well.
Seriously? Antoine was a PF, not a SF.Antoine was better than Deng as well.
If only there were a board where posters would welcome such sustained effort to make the case that a Duke player was better than a Wildcat player. I know one place that is NOT welcome. Here.Define "better"? Mash and Tay have a combined 1 All-Star appearance while Deng is a 2x All-Star.
Lets compare their career numbers:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/denglu01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mashbja01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/princta01.html
eFG%
Deng: 48.6%
Prince: 48.3%
Mashburn: 45.6%
Rebounds Per Game
Deng: 6.2
Mashburn: 5.4
Prince: 4.3
Total Win Shares
Deng: 72.3
Prince: 63.1
Mashburn: 43.7
Offensive/Defensive Box Score +/-
Deng: 1.1
Mashburn: 0.2
Prince: 0.1
Value over Replacement Player (VORP)
Deng: 22.6
Prince: 16.6
Mashburn: 12.3
Mash was a better offensive player than Deng slightly but he's a much worse defender. Tayshaun was honestly never as good as Deng as a scorer or a rebounder.
one would almost think he's embarrassed to be a Duke fan?Pretty pathetic to troll under a UK screen name while being a Duke fan.
That's pretty pathetic.
one would almost think he's embarrassed to be a Duke fan?
just sayin'
Yeah, beats me, BKO.
I have no idea what he thinks he is getting out of playing a "UK fan".
I would pose as a UK fan if I was a Duke fan too. I would want to know what being a winner felt like.
um...... :eyes:I would pose as a UK fan if I was a Duke fan too. I would want to know what being a winner felt like.
Don't use words such as we and our because you are not part of the Big Blue Nation. Wall, Davis, Towns and Boogie are all franchise type players that Cal brought into the league and it time some or all of them will become Iconic players. However there are many solid players from Uk that may have long fruitful careers as well such as Randle, Booker, Knight, Teague, Lyles, Bledsoe, WCS, Ulis, Murray and others that Cal has brought to the NBA on a short period when for years there were just a few journeyman players from UK.Come on man! I've heard Dookies claim that Grant Hill would have accomplished as much as Kobe if he hadn't gotten injured. Compared to your claim that Mash would have been a HOFer, that almost sounds logical...
Look, you guys can hate me as much as you want but I just want our fans to stop touting our NBA dominance with our current crop of NBA players when they haven't accomplished a whole lot yet. We start looking like fools if we compare our NBA players to those of UNCheat's or UCLA's when UK has never produced a truly iconic NBA player (Top 25 All-Time).
for a second I thought you said peeking.....and I was going to ask what he was doing at MinardiDeng peaking right now? LOL. He peaked 5 years ago...
[/QUOTE]Doesn't work that way. A recruited basketball player can't go to walk on status and give up his scholarship for a new recruit. Only option is someone transferring or going pro. No other option!!!
QUOTE="pharm727, post: 4502262, member: 7152"]I think Cal should offer Bolden a scholarship, if Lee and Briscoe come back ask Hawkins to walk on.
mashburn wasn't a very good nba player
neither was mercer
deng is a fairly easy call over either