I love our fans...

[UKCAT5FAN]

You constantly try to dictate how people post here. Good luck with that. Total waste of time.

You obviously haven't been around very long if you say that. Couldn't be further from the truth.

You've got to be around longer than a few months to try and say that with any credibility. We don't always agree on everything but Poe is a great poster on the board. There aren't but a handful of posters on here that I stop to read anytime they post but Poe is one of those posters and he has hit the nail on the head with this. We have so many fair weather fans who build the team up with crazy expectations every single year and then have a breakdown after we lose. Those same fans want to go and blow up the entire program and start changing everything we do as a program. They want Cal to change everything he does on the court and to change all of his recruiting strategies. If we had a MSU type of loss, there would be riots of fans going crazy. Just a complete meltdown on a grand scale. It's ridiculous and flat out embarrassing as a UK fan. You have to be realistic about these things and take you're blue goggles off and assess the situation that you have as a team. That's the only way to get an honest answer.

I don't see how calling out those fans on the board is trying to dictate what people post. But ok, whatever. Are you one of those posters that fits that mold?

 

[McThick]

Ind better than us ? How many they sending pro early ? I'm not buying they are better than us .

Doesn't matter how many pro's we have if they don't play as a team. Like he said, they were the better team, at least this time

 

[.S&C.]

Cal said from the beginning he would take care of his players best interests first. I have no problem with it because that is why we get the elite talent. Cal has also said he has told some players they need to stay (looking at you Dakari) and they decided to leave anyway. But for arguments sake let's assume you are correct- that getting players to the NBA is the top priority. That way of doing things has brought the program a tremendous amount of success in Cal's time at UK.

Here's the problem.

Taking care of your players first only means pushing pro around maybe half the time. Cal seems to do this 90% of the time. There is a myth, and it is a myth, that players should jet out that door ASAP instead of when they're naturally ready. The D league is smoke and mirrors for some players. You can blow confidence quickly, and you make a McDonald's salary. When cal leaves here, he will have a huge coup of players with no diplomas, no NBA career, and doing nothing. IMO, it would help, if we also started pushing the idea that these college diplomas (free of charge) are something of huge value. It cannot be denied, that players like Marquise Teague wouldn't go pro tha fast if they weren't playing here. So cal is a victim of his own success. But it is HIS doing, no on else created this idea.

People want to say, hey, they can come back. They can earn that degree later. No they can't, not always. And that degree, to these athletes, is nearly impossible to obtain when they Are 25, broke and working, with no free tutoring and coaches pushing them to do the work.

First round guarantees? Ok. I got it. 1st and 2nd year 2nd rounder, and Sometimes worse? It's pitiful. And Cal needs to put an end to it.

I'm not saying cals methods don't work, I'm saying they are flawed in some areas where he should adjust to the realization that he's not the only guy known for OAD's anymore, he's not the only guy putting the top 3 picks in the game anymore, he's not the only guy that has a title with freshman studs anymore. Revise this up a little and take some of this hardware. Or he will watch other coaches take a lot of his glory.

 

[3rex]

As it should be. The point of college is to prepare students for a future career, whatever they so choose. Basketball players choose to play in the NBA. Cal prepares them better than most. What's the problem?

It may be the point of college but it's not the point of a college sports team.

 

[3rex]

The one you left out again Loservile - but three of those above were tournament teams the year prior and we can't schedule
home and home with everyone - if you don't understand not every team is going to agree to play just in Rupp and not a return
game I don't know what to say to you.

We have the 15th ranked OOC SOS - we did have UNCheat but decided to drop it because of the obvious.

Ok I'll assume your answer is 1...that being Louseyville. I would agree with that.

 

[brianpoe]

I The bigs didn't show up like they haven't all year and we couldn't make shots. It caught up with them yesterday. It's that simple.

Also, IU wasn't really without 3 of their top 8 players. I don't even consider Blackmon in the discussion. I

"The bigs didn't show up like they haven't all year and we couldn't make shots."

Doesn't make for a quality team, it is more than time to stop judging our bigs on potential - Alex was never going to be consistent the Freshman Duke game Alex, Skal was never going to be the consistent #1 prospect, Marcus... did you know he played volleyball?

Just killed me to watch these guys this year. We only needed one to be consistent.

So I give Bryant and crazy *** Williams the credit.

I'm probably wrong, hate losing to IU.


Also, IU wasn't really without 3 of their top 8 players. I don't even consider Blackmon in the discussion.

I see your point on how well they have been without him, however, when a player is a 2 year starter prior to being hurt I consider him top 8 on the team.

Like Saban, I probably am right on this one...

 

[kat57]

I really think the officiating helped IU. At the end of a game the team that is behind commits the fouls. I can understand that. During the game, at the beginning and middle, the team that is ahead has fouls called on them. That doesn't make any sense. The team that is behind is trying to get back in the game so they will do anything to get back in. That is very suspicious to me and it is something that happens often.

 

[Hoskins91_rivals]

Here's the problem.

Taking care of your players first only means pushing pro around maybe half the time. Cal seems to do this 90% of the time. There is a myth, and it is a myth, that players should jet out that door ASAP instead of when they're naturally ready. The D league is smoke and mirrors for some players. You can blow confidence quickly, and you make a McDonald's salary. When cal leaves here, he will have a huge coup of players with no diplomas, no NBA career, and doing nothing. IMO, it would help, if we also started pushing the idea that these college diplomas (free of charge) are something of huge value. It cannot be denied, that players like Marquise Teague wouldn't go pro tha fast if they weren't playing here. So cal is a victim of his own success. But it is HIS doing, no on else created this idea.

People want to say, hey, they can come back. They can earn that degree later. No they can't, not always. And that degree, to these athletes, is nearly impossible to obtain when they Are 25, broke and working, with no free tutoring and coaches pushing them to do the work.

First round guarantees? Ok. I got it. 1st and 2nd year 2nd rounder, and Sometimes worse? It's pitiful. And Cal needs to put an end to it.

I'm not saying cals methods don't work, I'm saying they are flawed in some areas where he should adjust to the realization that he's not the only guy known for OAD's anymore, he's not the only guy putting the top 3 picks in the game anymore, he's not the only guy that has a title with freshman studs anymore. Revise this up a little and take some of this hardware. Or he will watch other coaches take a lot of his glory.

The problem is our success is the result of players who wouldn't even be in school if there was an alternative option. Short of forcing them to come back, they aren't spending any more time here than they have to. You're asking them to trade potential millions for something that is difficult to obtain and many of them probably don't even want. We're talking about deeper issues here that wouldn't be solved by Cal pushing the importance of graduating.

 

[.S&C.]

The problem is our success is the result of players who wouldn't even be in school if there was an alternative option. Short of forcing them to come back, they aren't spending any more time here than they have to. You're asking them to trade potential millions for something that is difficult to obtain and many of them probably don't even want. We're talking about deeper issues here that wouldn't be solved by Cal pushing the importance of graduating.

Another board myth. Never did I say they should forgo millions. Do you know how much money a college graduate makes over a non NBA/ high school diploma recipient? We are going to have loads of them.

I don't mind back and forth, but please don't come at me with straw man arguments this board creates to be able to attack anyone who doesn't ride the cal pine at all times.

 

[Hoskins91_rivals]

I disagree that they are clearly better. A few coin flips go our way we are playing next week. We just chose a bad time to have a bad game.

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

The problem is our success is the result of players who wouldn't even be in school if there was an alternative option. Short of forcing them to come back, they aren't spending any more time here than they have to. You're asking them to trade potential millions for something that is difficult to obtain and many of them probably don't even want. We're talking about deeper issues here that wouldn't be solved by Cal pushing the importance of graduating.

Cal advised Dakari to return and was surprised Teague left...both now earn $32,000 a year in the D League

 

[.S&C.]

Cal advised Dakari to return and was surprised Teague left...both now earn $32,000 a year in the D League

Andrew Harrison
Orton
Thank God lamb is making crumbs in Saskatoon.

 

[3rex]

Cal advised Dakari to return and was surprised Teague left...both now earn $32,000 a year in the D League

Part of that is due to the culture that has been created here now which leads these guys, as well as those who surround them & speak into their ear, to believe that if they have to come back for another year, they are a failure.

 

[Hoskins91_rivals]

Another board myth. Never did I say they should forgo millions. Do you know how much money a college graduate makes over a non NBA/ high school diploma recipient? We are going to have loads of them.

I don't mind back and forth, but please don't come at me with straw man arguments this board creates to be able to attack anyone who doesn't ride the cal pine at all times.

I'm not attacking anybody, and I don't see how that makes what I said invalid. You are asking them to pass up on immediate money doing what they always wanted to work their *** off to obtain something that many of these guys probably don't want. I'm not arguing about the value of a degree. We're talking about an issue that requires a more nuanced answer than Cal simply pushing college degrees on everybody. You're also basing an argument on a prediction that may not even come true.

 

[UKCAT5FAN]

Here's the problem.

Taking care of your players first only means pushing pro around maybe half the time. Cal seems to do this 90% of the time. There is a myth, and it is a myth, that players should jet out that door ASAP instead of when they're naturally ready. The D league is smoke and mirrors for some players. You can blow confidence quickly, and you make a McDonald's salary. When cal leaves here, he will have a huge coup of players with no diplomas, no NBA career, and doing nothing. IMO, it would help, if we also started pushing the idea that these college diplomas (free of charge) are something of huge value. It cannot be denied, that players like Marquise Teague wouldn't go pro tha fast if they weren't playing here. So cal is a victim of his own success. But it is HIS doing, no on else created this idea.

People want to say, hey, they can come back. They can earn that degree later. No they can't, not always. And that degree, to these athletes, is nearly impossible to obtain when they Are 25, broke and working, with no free tutoring and coaches pushing them to do the work.

First round guarantees? Ok. I got it. 1st and 2nd year 2nd rounder, and Sometimes worse? It's pitiful. And Cal needs to put an end to it.

I'm not saying cals methods don't work, I'm saying they are flawed in some areas where he should adjust to the realization that he's not the only guy known for OAD's anymore, he's not the only guy putting the top 3 picks in the game anymore, he's not the only guy that has a title with freshman studs anymore. Revise this up a little and take some of this hardware. Or he will watch other coaches take a lot of his glory.

First off, you can't sit there and say that Cal is pushing these kids out the door when you have no idea what he is advising them to do. You don't know what players he advised to come back and what players he advised to leave. I never claim to have an insider source to the program but I have talked to a few guys that are as close as you can be without being on the coaching staff and they told me that there have been numerous players who Cal told should stay but they decided to leave. Even without that knowledge, common sense would tell me the exact same thing. Do you really think he told Archie to go? Dakari? Do you think he will tell Marcus to go? Really? Cal is a smart guy and he wants the best for them, he knows the way the NBA works. However, he is not the only one advising these players and a lot of times he is not even in the decision making process. It's the families who are making these decisions.

Also, to say that When Cal leaves here that he will have a huge coup of players with no NBA careers is just ridiculous. A lot of these players can make more money in 3 years than they would their entire life with that degree. You can set yourself up for life with that money. Then, if for some reason you do not make it and you're out of the NBA or you get hurt, you still have your education paid for at UK. And YES, they can come back and earn their degree. If they don't, that's their fault, not Cal's fault. Millions of people get through college without paid tutors. However, I'd bet my house that any ex player could get a tutor free of charge anytime they need one. That's not an issue but even if it were, that's on the player and not Cal. I just don't understand how you can sit there and blame him for a player who CHOOSES not to come back because "they won't have a tutor" or "its too hard". That's just unfair to Cal. None of that is his fault.

You have to strike while the iron is hot and it's a big gamble to come back for a degree when you can make millions in a few years. And even if it doesn't work out, you still have exactly what you had while you were there at UK.........a free education. I really think some of you try to create problems just so you can think you fix them. I really do. OH NO, We Lost!!! There must be something wrong with the system. There must be problems!!! Is it perfect? No, no system or program is perfect and all coaching strategies are flawed in some way but this is the system that Cal has brought here and it's brought us a ton of success. We aren't going to win every game or every title but as long as we are in contention, as long as we are competing for championships, that is the most that you can ask for as a fan. That's it! And that's exactly what we do here and that's exactly what we will continue to do as long as Cal is here.

 

[brianpoe]

Andrew Harrison
Orton
Thank God lamb is making crumbs in Saskatoon.

I have to correct you on a couple of items...

UK players can always come back and get their degrees for free.

Orton has made almost $4M since 2010, better than me and my degree...

 

[brdmn22]

It may be the point of college but it's not the point of a college sports team.

Of course it's the point of college sports teams, especially elite teams like UK, Duke, UNC, etc. Why do you think kids choose to play there? Just because you pay money to watch games doesn't mean the program owes you something at the expense of the student-athletes.

Nobody is saying that winning isn't important. It obviously is, and Cal is as good as any coach out there at it, but the main goal is preparing his student-athletes for their life beyond UK.

It's kind of ridiculous that people think the kids shouldn't be the most important thing. Really think about that. You're essentially saying the program should take advantage of the kids so that they win more games. It's just stupid.

 

[3rex]

Of course it's the point of college sports teams, especially elite teams like UK, Duke, UNC, etc. Why do you think kids choose to play there? Just because you pay money to watch games doesn't mean the program owes you something at the expense of the student-athletes.

Nobody is saying that winning isn't important. It obviously is, and Cal is as good as any coach out there at it, but the main goal is preparing his student-athletes for their life beyond UK.

It's kind of ridiculous that people think the kids shouldn't be the most important thing. Really think about that. You're essentially saying the program should take advantage of the kids so that they win more games. It's just stupid.

Where did I ever say they owed me anything. You said the number one priority of a college is to prepare kids for a career. I agreed with you.
But while a college sports team & coach certainly has that goal up toward the top of the list, it's not #1, at least in my opinion. The top goal is to win games\championships.
Now you can say that's not why kids come, and you're probably correct, at least partially. Some come to win championships & some come to get to the NBA. No argument there.

 

[Hjack]

Ind better than us ? How many they sending pro early ? I'm not buying they are better than us .

They certainly were last night.

 

[brdmn22]

Where did I ever say they owed me anything. You said the number one priority of a college is to prepare kids for a career. I agreed with you.
But while a college sports team & coach certainly has that goal up toward the top of the list, it's not #1, at least in my opinion. The top goal is to win games\championships.
Now you can say that's not why kids come, and you're probably correct, at least partially. Some come to win championships & some come to get to the NBA. No argument there.

I wasn't talking about you specifically, but most people have a feeling that just because they choose to pay money to watch games that the team owes them a "winning at all costs" mentality. If you're not one of those people, then my bad.

So you think a college coach and program should prioritize winning over the players' well being? Do you know how ridiculous that is? Let's say that player X is the best player on his team. They are in the championship game and the day before the kid tears some ligaments in his knee during practice. While the kid could still play in the game, he has the potential to likely do some extended and potentially career threatening damage if he does. What you're saying is that the college coach should do whatever he can to play the kid because it increases their chances to win the championship, since that's their #1 priority. Do you see how insanely stupid that sounds?

 

[3rex]

I wasn't talking about you specifically, but most people have a feeling that just because they choose to pay money to watch games that the team owes them a "winning at all costs" mentality. If you're not one of those people, then my bad.

So you think a college coach and program should prioritize winning over the players' well being? Do you know how ridiculous that is? Let's say that player X is the best player on his team. They are in the championship game and the day before the kid tears some ligaments in his knee during practice. While the kid could still play in the game, he has the potential to likely do some extended and potentially career threatening damage if he does. What you're saying is that the college coach should do whatever he can to play the kid because it increases their chances to win the championship, since that's their #1 priority. Do you see how insanely stupid that sounds?

Lol...you build this scenario & then say it sounds "insanely stupid," as If I actually took such a position. I didn't. That is not even close to the debate over whether a college team should prioritize winning over the players NBA dreams, or vice versa,,which is what we're talking about here.
Yes winning games & championships should be what a major college basketball program should be about, in my opinion. That's why you play the games.
But certainly there are limits. To go back a few years, I was 100% for sitting Derek Anderson, even though he was one of my favorite players & even though he likely would've put us over the top. I still support that decision because I believe his ACL wasn't completely healed.

 

[screwduke]

I have news for you.

IU is better than us this year.

They were down 3 players and much more balanced. Our bigs are simply not reliable enough.

It was stunning how bad Poythress was yesterday. He missed probably 6 or 7 point blank shots.

 

[screwduke]

Ind better than us ? How many they sending pro early ? I'm not buying they are better than us .

They were better than us yesterday. Bryant alone is better than any of our bigs.

 

[brdmn22]

Another board myth. Never did I say they should forgo millions. Do you know how much money a college graduate makes over a non NBA/ high school diploma recipient? We are going to have loads of them.

I don't mind back and forth, but please don't come at me with straw man arguments this board creates to be able to attack anyone who doesn't ride the cal pine at all times.

According to The Hamilton Project (http://www.hamiltonproject.org/papers/major_decisions_what_graduates_earn_over_their_lifetimes/), the cumulative earnings over the entire career of a typical bachelor's degree graduate worker is $1.19 million. That's twice what the typical high school graduate earns. Even if the kids (former UK players) that don't make the NBA choose to play overseas, most of them could easily make $1.19 million by the time they stop playing basketball. In fact, Lamb, Orton, Teague, Archie, and I believe Liggins have already made more than the typical career earnings of bachelor's degree graduate.

Every one of Cal's players chosen in the first round have already exceeded the career earnings of bachelor's degree graduates by the age of 25. That means out of the 24 players to leave early under Cal, 19 of them are doing extremely well. Lamb and Liggins have already exceeded the typical earnings of bachelor's degree graduates, so that leaves just Dakari and the Harrison twins as the only 3 to not exceed the mark. I'd say that they all three have a great chance of earning $1.19 million in their basketball careers.

 

[.S&C.]

According to The Hamilton Project (http://www.hamiltonproject.org/papers/major_decisions_what_graduates_earn_over_their_lifetimes/), the cumulative earnings over the entire career of a typical bachelor's degree graduate worker is $1.19 million. That's twice what the typical high school graduate earns. Even if the kids (former UK players) that don't make the NBA choose to play overseas, most of them could easily make $1.19 million by the time they stop playing basketball. In fact, Lamb, Orton, Teague, Archie, and I believe Liggins have already made more than the typical career earnings of bachelor's degree graduate.

Every one of Cal's players chosen in the first round have already exceeded the career earnings of bachelor's degree graduates by the age of 25. That means out of the 24 players to leave early under Cal, 19 of them are doing extremely well. Lamb and Liggins have already exceeded the typical earnings of bachelor's degree graduates, so that leaves just Dakari and the Harrison twins as the only 3 to not exceed the mark. I'd say that they all three have a great chance of earning $1.19 million in their basketball careers.

That's all good, but we must remember, responsibility comes through, in some ways, being educated. Lots of these players lose their asses and have nothing to show for it later in life. You think a 19 year old kid (lots from low income areas) first instinct is to save? Especially when he's got friends, family, and handlers with their hand out? A million to these guys is gone, in some cases, quicker than you typed that post.

I don't agree with the notion that these educations are something that doesn't really mean a whole lot compared to the quick NBA money that is blown fairly quickly in lots of cases.

Again, I'm not talking about Goodwin I'm not sure why you post those? I'm talking about these borderline 2nd round guys that should be returning and getting closer to a degree for the future. Most players do not return to college for a reason. Life happens, work, bills, kids, etc. this notion that they can get it "any time" is not accurate all the time.

Also some people don't realize how easy it is to rack credits while playing high level sorts.

I got 2 bachelors degrees. Went back to school and suffered to finish after sports. You have no idea how much I regretted not finishing with a coach and tutor up my ***.

 

[brdmn22]

Lol...you build this scenario & then say it sounds "insanely stupid," as If I actually took such a position. I didn't. That is not even close to the debate over whether a college team should prioritize winning over the players NBA dreams, or vice versa,,which is what we're talking about here.
Yes winning games & championships should be what a major college basketball program should be about, in my opinion. That's why you play the games.
But certainly there are limits. To go back a few years, I was 100% for sitting Derek Anderson, even though he was one of my favorite players & even though he likely would've put us over the top. I still support that decision because I believe his ACL wasn't completely healed.

Okay, let's simplify things. The players' well being should always be priority #1. Anything other than that is ridiculous. This isn't professional sports.

 

[brianpoe]

That's all good, but we must remember, responsibility comes through, in some ways, being educated. Lots of these players lose their asses and have nothing to show for it later in life. You think a 19 year old kid (lots from low income areas) first instinct is to save? Especially when he's got friends, family, and handlers with their hand out? A million to these guys is gone, in some cases, quicker than you typed that post.

I don't agree with the notion that these educations are something that doesn't really mean a whole lot compared to the quick NBA money that is blown fairly quickly in lots of cases.

Again, I'm not talking about Goodwin I'm not sure why you post those? I'm talking about these borderline 2nd round guys that should be returning and getting closer to a degree for the future. Most players do not return to college for a reason. Life happens, work, bills, kids, etc. this notion that they can get it "any time" is not accurate all the time.

Also some people don't realize how easy it is to rack credits while playing high level sorts.

I got 2 bachelors degrees. Went back to school and suffered to finish after sports. You have no idea how much I regretted not finishing with a coach and tutor up my ***.

That is true but at least it is free and they are older and more responsible...

 

[brdmn22]

That's all good, but we must remember, responsibility comes through, in some ways, being educated. Lots of these players lose their asses and have nothing to show for it later in life. You think a 19 year old kid (lots from low income areas) first instinct is to save? Especially when he's got friends, family, and handlers with their hand out? A million to these guys is gone, in some cases, quicker than you typed that post.

I don't agree with the notion that these educations are something that doesn't really mean a whole lot compared to the quick NBA money that is blown fairly quickly in lots of cases.

Again, I'm not talking about Goodwin I'm not sure why you post those? I'm talking about these borderline 2nd round guys that should be returning and getting closer to a degree for the future. Most players do not return to college for a reason. Life happens, work, bills, kids, etc. this notion that they can get it "any time" is not accurate all the time.

Also some people don't realize how easy it is to rack credits while playing high level sorts.

I got 2 bachelors degrees. Went back to school and suffered to finish after sports. You have no idea how much I regretted not finishing with a coach and tutor up my ***.

But that's a systemic problem for athletes in general. You can't control how a person spends their money, regardless of education level. Many athletes that graduate with a degree blow their money. Yes, it's an issue, but one that a degree doesn't really cure.

On a theoretical level, I agree with a lot of what you say. From a realistic perspective, I disagree. I've tutored athletes before, and most of them didn't have a clue what was going on in class, nor did they care. Also, a degree is pretty much as good as your first job. Once you have experience, it's more about that than your degree. If Dakari stays 4 years, graduates with a degree, then gets drafted in the second round, does that change his situation that much? I say not really. Even with a degree, he isn't entering the corporate world and starting a career there. He's going to exhaust the professional basketball route until he has no other option. After 10+ years playing basketball, a degree (likely in communications) has little value. The top jobs are so competitive that they aren't going to former basketball players with no experience.

There's no easy answer in this situation.

 

[.S&C.]

But that's a systemic problem for athletes in general. You can't control how a person spends their money, regardless of education level. Many athletes that graduate with a degree blow their money. Yes, it's an issue, but one that a degree doesn't really cure.

On a theoretical level, I agree with a lot of what you say. From a realistic perspective, I disagree. I've tutored athletes before, and most of them didn't have a clue what was going on in class, nor did they care. Also, a degree is pretty much as good as your first job. Once you have experience, it's more about that than your degree. If Dakari stays 4 years, graduates with a degree, then gets drafted in the second round, does that change his situation that much? I say not really. Even with a degree, he isn't entering the corporate world and starting a career there. He's going to exhaust the professional basketball route until he has no other option. After 10+ years playing basketball, a degree (likely in communications) has little value. The top jobs are so competitive that they aren't going to former basketball players with no experience.

There's no easy answer in this situation.

True it's kind of the player. I just hate seeing a guy leave for a McDonald's salary, guaranteed nothing, and could have gotten 90 credits and that close to a life. Instead leaving at 15 or 30, because those guys don't go back to school. Rarely ever. Getting those credits is so easy playing sports, just ask UNC.

Lots of jobs don't even care what your degree is in anymore. I'm about to leave education for law enforcement. We've got business so that's my real passion but lots of fields will take the paper regardless. Where I work I see so many throw educations away I get sick of hearing how they "can get them any time" like this board peddles. It's just not true.

 

[willievic]

Really?

I believe I just made my own observation and you are attempting to dictate my meaning...

I have sat back and watched you spat with so many posters this season and never added one word.



For a newbie you came here and acted like an *** for quite awhile, you seemed to have simmered down, but I never once called you on it. So there you go.

brian, let's face it, you criticize everyone on here. The poster is right. You are a total ***. No one is correct but brian.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[3rex]

Okay, let's simplify things. The players' well being should always be priority #1. Anything other than that is ridiculous. This isn't professional sports.

No one said it shouldn't be. But major college sports programs exist to win. Period.

 

[brianpoe]

brian, let's face it, you criticize everyone on here. The poster is right. You are a total ***. No one is correct but brian.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

You totally misconstrue someone's post and now you look dumb, but instead of apologizing you keep looking dumb. After all of these years you sure as hell are not getting any smarter.

And siding up with that particular poster wont help you out much in the intelligence department either.

Funny thing is, I was not disagreeing with you.

 

[BBBLazing]

I'm just so sad for Tyler Ulis. He's one of my favorite players to wear the uniform. But he couldn't drag this team there on his own. Funnily, we were right in the game, despite a horrible outside shooting night. I just wish Tyler could win a title. He deserves one.

I like Tyler Ulis as much as I've liked anyone in the last 50 years, but he doesn't "deserve" a title. He lost first weekend. No one deserves one they didn't win.

 

[BBBLazing]

Some of the most emotionally fragile people in the world.


We have complained about this year's team all season even after wins...

Detailing the fatal flaws of multiple players.

And then we lose the final game and these same folks are heartbroken like these kids let them down personally.

Oh yeah, and of course Cal cannot coach.

And the One and Done is awful....


Next year the same people will be clamoring for 40-0.... until the first loss and then tell us how bad we suck again.


I apologize that I just cannot conjure up enough sympathy and offer a shoulder for so many to cry on.

Still love you guys though.

Wow. I started a similar thread last year and was suspended and ridiculed. Its funny that you would criticize UK fans after calling me a troll and UL fan for doing the same thing. Just Wow.

 

[brianpoe]

Wow. I started a similar thread last year and was suspended and ridiculed. Its funny that you would criticize UK fans after calling me a troll and UL fan for doing the same thing. Just Wow.

I never thought you were a UL fan..??

WTH is up with people today?



I want to apologize in advance to everyone but I am going to have set the record straight on some serious fibbers attacking me.

@willievic

@Icecoldbrewdoggy

@BBBLazing

 

[Longtrip]

Some of the most emotionally fragile people in the world.


We have complained about this year's team all season even after wins...

Detailing the fatal flaws of multiple players.

And then we lose the final game and these same folks are heartbroken like these kids let them down personally.

Oh yeah, and of course Cal cannot coach.

And the One and Done is awful....


Next year the same people will be clamoring for 40-0.... until the first loss and then tell us how bad we suck again.


I apologize that I just cannot conjure up enough sympathy and offer a shoulder for so many to cry on.

Still love you guys though.

Why not stage a clinic so you can teach us how to be better fans. Since you are flawless.

 

[brianpoe]

You three dont have to apologize to me for the BS posts you made but I think it is important that everyone see just what kind of people you are.


Edit...I accidentally deleted my hosting page for the screenshots and I have no desire to repost them tonight but I can.


Summary

@willievic - You jumped my *** for scolding @UKWinsAgainYep who called our players and staff miserable names all football season and started over here after a loss.

You even implied that where you come from I would be "hurt" (as a former boxer and Gulf War vet I'll take my chances to go wherever you are from)

Nothing else between us, of course you do tell everyone that you are such a massive donor to UK way too often...

You do seem to receive many likes from Cutnets...


@Icecoldbrewdoggy

Never called you a UL fan, found several posts that I agreed and liked your take.

You did get mad at me for calling you out on the KSR Katina interview thread. You went on a rant against everyone regarding how we were all sinners for wanting to listen to the interview.

You stated that it is was despicable for MJ to be the only one low enough give her an interview, yet you were unaware she had already been on ESPN, The View, Good Morning America, and more previously.

All i stated was that your morals do not relate to everyone else and you were wrong for shaming our posters for wanting to hear it.



@BBBLazing

Found multiple instances where I said "Great Post" and gave you many likes.


You guys want to see them, I will repost, but your accusations were wrong.

BBB and willie maybe its time to hang it up if you cant remember who treated you poorly...

Icecold not sure what to tell you,

 

[brianpoe]

Why not stage a clinic so you can teach us how to be better fans. Since you are flawless.

Who are you?

Did I hurt your little feelings too?

Looks like 35 other posters feel the same way I do...


Little whiny asses coming out of the woodwork...

Did I abuse you in your dreams as well?

Would you like to make up some lies to go along with the 3 fibbing amigos?

 

[brdmn22]

No one said it shouldn't be. But major college sports programs exist to win. Period.

No, they certainly don't. College athletics aren't professional sports. Colleges, and everything they entail, exist to further the careers of their students. Winning is a priority, but it's not the main priority. The students come first. Period.

You continue to talk out of both sides of your mouth. You say it should be about the kids, but winning is the main goal. When you say that, that means there are certain situations you prioritize winning over the students' best interests, whenever they conflict. That's an absurd statement.

 

[brianpoe]

@3rex and @brdmn22


Both of you guys make valid points.

However, after being totally caught up in the cyclone of major college sports, it is truly about one thing... MONEY