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THEY NEED PRISON!!!!
 
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Thanks much for the link. Very informative

I'm far from a Heel's fan and have no problem with the program getting hammered really hard. However I do feel some sympathy for the young athletes who've acted in good faith and will suffer along with the guilty.
 
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I know this is a long post from the UNC State board, but it's an excellent read.
 
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FlCATFan said:
Thanks much for the link. Very informative

I'm far from a Heel's fan and have no problem with the program getting hammered really hard. However I do feel some sympathy for the young athletes who've acted in good faith and will suffer along with the guilty.
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I have no sympathy whatsoever for any player who has signed to play for UNC. This scandal has been public knowledge for 5 years and they should have known sanctions were possible before they ever committed. I think they should be required to sit out a year if UNC is hit with sanctions and they then decide to transfer.. To borrow a phrase from the NCAA when announcing sanctions, they knew, or should have known before they committed to play for UNC.
 
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This may never come to fruition but it sure was a great read. Just imagine if both banners came down...that would devastate me if it happened to UK. UNC would be sad little puppies indeed.
 
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FlCATFan said:
Thanks much for the link. Very informative

I'm far from a Heel's fan and have no problem with the program getting hammered really hard. However I do feel some sympathy for the young athletes who've acted in good faith and will suffer along with the guilty.
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Roy has been telling these recruits that the men's basketball team will not be sanctioned. Their football coach has been making the same statement. They cannot guarantee that. Roy is Herb Tarlek with a slightly better wardrobe.
 
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Roy has been telling these recruits that the men's basketball team will not be sanctioned. Their football coach has been making the same statement. They cannot guarantee that. Roy is Herb Tarlek with a slightly better wardrobe.
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Well written and documented......why does something keep telling me the NCAA is waiting around to be dissolved so nothing will happen.
 
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Getting nervous?
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No. Actually this latest post from Manilishi gives me even more confidence. This poster, their number one "insider", has gone from "severe sanctions definite" to know saying (maybe) scholarship reductions. I don't know about you, but to me scholarship reductions is not a severe penalty moving forward.

Second, the "proof" he gives for vacating wins is that the classes were impermissible benefits. We know this is not true. In fact, the quote he gives, from the NOA, points to the classes not being impermissible benefits. It says academic support staff used "special arrangements" to obtain these classes, not that these classes in themselves were IB (or to make some happy IEB). Furthermore, a point which was brought up elsewhere, if the courses were IB then why wouldn't the NCAA have included other sports which had players take said courses? Are we talking about swimming or tennis having to vacate wins? They had athletes in the courses as well.

Nope, I feel even more confident than prior.
 
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BobbyG_tickle_swerv said:
No. Actually this latest post from Manilishi gives me even more confidence. This poster, their number one "insider", has gone from "severe sanctions definite" to know saying (maybe) scholarship reductions. I don't know about you, but to me scholarship reductions is not a severe penalty moving forward.

Second, the "proof" he gives for vacating wins is that the classes were impermissible benefits. We know this is not true. In fact, the quote he gives, from the NOA, points to the classes not being impermissible benefits. It says academic support staff used "special arrangements" to obtain these classes, not that these classes in themselves were IB (or to make some happy IEB). Furthermore, a point which was brought up elsewhere, if the courses were IB then why wouldn't the NCAA have included other sports which had players take said courses? Are we talking about swimming or tennis having to vacate wins? They had athletes in the courses as well.

Nope, I feel even more confident than prior.
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So you say that this poster's waning confidence is giving you more confidence that things will turn out better. Which must mean that you trust this guy's word on some level.

But then he goes outright to state that wins and titles will be vacated, show-causes will be handed out, fines, possible tournament bans, recruiting restrictions, probation, and scholarship reductions will happen. But you argue semantics to state that those things won't happen? Do you trust the intelligence and integrity of the NCAA? Who knows why they didn't list swimming. What they did list was Men's Basketball. I'm not sure how you can take that quote to mean that those classes are not considered impermissible benefits.

Sounds like a lot of rationalization to me.

And even if you're 100% right on what you say, all I know is that I wouldn't trust the NCAA one way or the other regarding their ability to do their jobs consistently. I'd be pretty afraid.
 
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This has been drug out for to long. The longer it goes the more I think they get a slap on the wrist. When is the NCAA going to do something?
 
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UNC wants to say this is primarily an issue with Women's Basketball and Football with the Men's Basketball team involved more benignly. Their entire goal is to protect the wins and banners for Men's Baskball. That is everything.

Manilishi is posting what should happen if the rules are followed fairly.

So we'll find out just how effective the millions UNC has spent on managing expectations and molding public opinion will be.

Also, far more importantly than even what Manlishi posted is that UNC is playing an end game here. They very well may have already concluded the NCAA will hit them as Manlishi suggests but are committed to winning in the lawsuits to follow. In such a scenario UNC will act like a scalded dog in claiming they were penalized unfairly and have their 24/7/365 propaganda machine known as ESPN running full tilt on filling the airwaves with their protests over the penalties.

So you could actually have Manlishi be right in much of what he says UNC will be hit with, only to see UNC later escape and keep their precious wins and banners in the appeal process where they will surely sue the NCAA.
 
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How could a court force the NCAA to recognize wins/titles?
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UNC will claim the NCAA has no jurisdiction over their academics which Emmert is actually helping them do since he is running all over the country saying essentially that.

This is why Manlishi is pointing out that the NCAA did not call UNC's classes fraudulent and instead went the impermissable benefit route. Because they know this will be the point this is all litigated over.
 
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BobbyG_tickle_swerv said:
No. Actually this latest post from Manilishi gives me even more confidence. This poster, their number one "insider", has gone from "severe sanctions definite" to know saying (maybe) scholarship reductions. I don't know about you, but to me scholarship reductions is not a severe penalty moving forward.

Second, the "proof" he gives for vacating wins is that the classes were impermissible benefits. We know this is not true. In fact, the quote he gives, from the NOA, points to the classes not being impermissible benefits. It says academic support staff used "special arrangements" to obtain these classes, not that these classes in themselves were IB (or to make some happy IEB). Furthermore, a point which was brought up elsewhere, if the courses were IB then why wouldn't the NCAA have included other sports which had players take said courses? Are we talking about swimming or tennis having to vacate wins? They had athletes in the courses as well.

Nope, I feel even more confident than prior.
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Not sure to which Manalishi posts you are referring. However, if it's the one linked by the OP, your summary above is completely inaccurate and in no way aligns to what Manalishi wrote.
 
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If UNCheat is given severe sanctions, they may threaten to sue but I don't think they will want to go that route. Would they want all these people who have been given hush money to have to testify under oath? Also, NCAA could get any lawsuit transferred to federal court and out of North Carolina, thus out of some of UNC's control. Also, the world would get to see that the cheating goes much beyond AFAM. Not sure UNCheat would want to open that can of worms.
 
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BobbyG_tickle_swerv said:
It says academic support staff used "special arrangements" to obtain these classes, not that these classes in themselves were IB (or to make some happy IEB).
Nope, I feel even more confident than prior.
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I see, so according to you..

The "special arrangements" used by the staff to help a player was the IB, not the class itself...?

Ok, glad to see you finally recognize that IB's have in fact occurred.

For some reason you cannot connect dots.


Player > special arrangement (IB) > fake class


See the player still received an IB, whether it was the class or the special arrangement, doesn't really matter does it?

Player who receives IB = Ineligible Player

Ineligible Player = games played by said player vacated
 
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If you're an employer...and had hired one of these UNC athletes....would you terminate them based on fraudulent information on the resume/employee application saying they had a degree from UNC? I would....but I doubt if I'd hired them to start with.
 
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If you're an employer...and had hired one of these UNC athletes....would you terminate them based on fraudulent information on the resume/employee application saying they had a degree from UNC? I would....but I doubt if I'd hired them to start with.
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What is sad is the fact that UNC former players, like King Rice, get coaching jobs that require a degree. A player from Duke or UK might not get the job even though that player has a legit degree that the player actually worked to earn.
 
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If you're an employer...and had hired one of these UNC athletes....would you terminate them based on fraudulent information on the resume/employee application saying they had a degree from UNC? I would....but I doubt if I'd hired them to start with.
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Eh. If anything the athletes themselves are the "victims". They're the ones that were cheated out of a real education and steered towards false degrees by an institution that cared only about basketball. Their only job was to play basketball and be kept eligible.
 
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What is sad is the fact that UNC former players, like King Rice, get coaching jobs that require a degree. A player from Duke or UK might not get the job even though that player has a legit degree that the player actually worked to earn.
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Then they should be fired ala Steve Masiello..
 
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podgejeff_ said:
Eh. If anything the athletes themselves are the "victims". They're the ones that were cheated out of a real education and steered towards false degrees by an institution that cared only about basketball. Their only job was to play basketball and be kept eligible.
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Then they should sue UNC.
 
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podgejeff_ said:
Eh. If anything the athletes themselves are the "victims". They're the ones that were cheated out of a real education and steered towards false degrees by an institution that cared only about basketball. Their only job was to play basketball and be kept eligible.
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Exactly. The thing that UNC was supposed to supply to them in exchange for their athletic talent was worthless. A fraudulent "trick" designed to exploit the players then cast them to the side just and ignorant and uneducated as when they first arrived at UNC and were put into this whole fake system. Exploitation. Plain and simple.
 
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This has been drug out for to long. The longer it goes the more I think they get a slap on the wrist. When is the NCAA going to do something?
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The Committee of Infractions meets quarterly. Supposedly their next meeting is in December. If UNC*** is on their agenda it will be several months more before things really start happening.

UNC*** admitted to more minor infractions a couple of months ago to delay the proceedings so they could try to win something before they get hit. They are playing the odds. If they get hit they can get a bowl or men's bball championship before the hit. If they don't get hit then they can soak a couple of down years and cry about being unfairly prosecuted to recruits and the media. Just how I would play this if I had the same ethics as UNC***.
 
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