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fatpiggy

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Assuming this isn't some skit for engagement, this person is unhinged.

Now a question for you. Would you agree that people doing stuff like this are equally unhinged?



They're both just different sides of the same coin. Triggered by a hat. Triggered by a flag.


No. It's not the governments job to plaster gay pride on our streets.

Get that **** off our streets.

Same with the BLM **** that was on the streets in DC. What a slap in the face to white people. So glad Trump had that removed.
 

WapPride

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Who’d have thought letting 20 million undocumented, unvetted migrants into the country would’ve caused a problem.

Oh I know, anyone with a functioning brain

Why is this one so hard for yall? One administration unlawfully let millions in. Why does the next administration have to lawfully remove them?

Why can one set of laws be ignored but the other must be followed. Explain it.
When you start from an egregiously inaccurate number, it's hard to take the rest of your points serious.
 

MTTiger19

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Assuming this isn't some skit for engagement, this person is unhinged.

Now a question for you. Would you agree that people doing stuff like this are equally unhinged?



They're both just different sides of the same coin. Triggered by a hat. Triggered by a flag.
I know you didn’t ask me but I’ll chime in. It’s a weird topic as I don’t understand why we need rainbow walkways on public roads. So I’d say the guy is kind of a jerk for doing it but what ******* decided that the entire community needed a big rainbow walkway. What would have been the reaction if that was a maga walkway? It’s just not necessary to impose on the public these outward signs of progressivism. I don’t want to walk on confederate flags or pride flags. I just want to walk, my guess is most folks feel that way.
 
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MTTiger19

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When you start from an egregiously inaccurate number, it's hard to take the rest of your points serious.
I mean is there really a substantial difference in processing 10 million vs 20 million? Do you have some hard, factual data that’s not partisan that shows the actual real number. I love how you dismiss the entire point over something that is truly unknown. I mean it’s not like the number was 300 and I said 20 million. Semantics. Shell game.
 

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I mean is there really a substantial difference in processing 10 million vs 20 million? Do you have some hard, factual data that’s not partisan that shows the actual real number. I love how you dismiss the entire point over something that is truly unknown. I mean it’s not like the number was 300 and I said 20 million. Semantics. Shell game.
It's just disingenuous proclaiming that figure when nonpartisan estimations are less than half that amount. Is there hard data supporting it? No, but here's Elon's AI's response.

You don't trust Grok anymore or is it now a deep state conspirator?
https://x.com/RetroAgent12


Hi Grok

Where does the 20,000,000 to 30,000,000 million entered under Biden come from? Any data anywhere that supports this?



The claim of 20 million to 30 million immigrants entering the U.S. under the Biden administration lacks credible data support from authoritative sources. Official government figures and reputable analyses paint a different picture. Here’s a breakdown:
  • U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Data: From February 2021 to June 2024, CBP recorded approximately 10.8 million encounters nationwide, with 8.72 million at the Southwest border. Encounters are not unique individuals; they include repeat attempts. Of these, about 2.5 million were released into the U.S. pending immigration hearings, while 2.8 million were removed or expelled. Additionally, around 2 million "gotaways" (those evading detection) are estimated since FY2021.



  • Parole Programs: The Biden administration used parole authority to admit over 1 million migrants, including 422,000 via the CBP One app, 340,000 from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela (CHNV program), 176,000 Ukrainians, and 77,000 Afghans. These are legal entries, not illegal crossings.

  • Net Migration Estimates: The Congressional Budget Office estimated annual net migration (arrivals minus departures) at 2.4 million from 2021 to 2023, totaling about 8 million over Biden’s term. This includes legal and illegal entries across all borders, not just the Southwest.

  • Undocumented Population: Estimates of the undocumented population range from 10.5 million to 16.8 million as of 2021–2024, with most predating Biden’s presidency. The Migration Policy Institute and Pew Research Center report 11–12 million, with only a modest increase under Biden. Claims of 20–30 million are unsupported by demographic studies.
Origin of the 20–30 Million Claim:
  • The figure appears in X posts and political rhetoric but lacks grounding in primary data. For instance, a 2018 Yale study estimated 16–30 million undocumented immigrants (most likely 22 million) already in the U.S., not new arrivals under Biden. Claims on X suggesting 10–20 million entered under Biden inflate CBP encounter data without accounting for removals, repeats, or gotaways.
  • Politicians like Sen. Marco Rubio have cited similar numbers, but fact-checks (e.g., Poynter) rate these as false, noting that adding encounters to existing estimates without adjusting for deportations or duplicates is misleading.
Critical Analysis:
  • Encounter data is often misconstrued as "entries." Many encounters result in expulsions (e.g., 2.9 million under Title 42).

  • Gotaway estimates are rough and not additive to encounters in a simple way, as some may leave or be apprehended later.
  • The 20–30 million figure seems to stem from political narratives exaggerating border activity, not from rigorous data. No CBP, DHS, or independent study supports this range for Biden’s term.
Conclusion: The most reliable data suggests 8–11 million total encounters (not individuals), with 2.5 million released, 1 million paroled, and 2 million gotaways. Net migration is around 8 million, far below 20–30 million. Always cross-check claims against primary sources like CBP or DHS, as political narratives can distort raw numbers. For detailed stats, check https://www.cbp.gov or https://www.dhs.gov.
 

WapPride

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Furthermore, the point is you guys don't operate in reality. You continually appeal to fears and prejudices to make your points and try and influence the discussion. It's just funny seeing y'all act incredulous when the non-MAGAs dismiss you or ignore your comments, because you guys refuse to operate in good faith.
 

MTTiger19

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Furthermore, the point is you guys don't operate in reality. You continually appeal to fears and prejudices to make your points and try and influence the discussion. It's just funny seeing y'all act incredulous when the non-MAGAs dismiss you or ignore your comments, because you guys refuse to operate in good faith.
I actually enjoy your posts and I like our discourse most of the time. Tell me more about this as I’m not sure I understand the point you’re making. I feel like the dismissive folks in this debate are the folks on the left so we are seeing this in an opposite manner.
 

Jonada

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No. It's not the governments job to plaster gay pride on our streets.

Get that **** off our streets.

Same with the BLM **** that was on the streets in DC. What a slap in the face to white people. So glad Trump had that removed.
I know you didn’t ask me but I’ll chime in. It’s a weird topic as I don’t understand why we need rainbow walkways on public roads. So I’d say the guy is kind of a jerk for doing it but what ******* decided that the entire community needed a big rainbow walkway. What would have been the reaction if that was a maga walkway? It’s just not necessary to impose on the public these outward signs of progressivism. I don’t want to walk on confederate flags or pride flags. I just want to walk, my guess is most folks feel that way.
My example doesn't really have anything to do with whether it was a good idea to paint the flag on the street in the first place. I would actually agree with both of you that it probably shouldn't be there because, whether intended or not, in this day and age, it's a divisive symbol.

My point is regarding the reaction to it only. Even if someone is opposed to everything Trump represents, if a sane, well adjusted adult sees someone wearing a MAGA hat, they don't start screaming at the person. Same goes for if someone opposes everything LGBT. If they see a pride flag on the street, they don't risk literal arrest and criminal charges by throwing a can of paint on it or doing donuts on it with their car. If you can't acknowledge that both of these things are unhinged behavior, then you're part of the problem.

@fatpiggy wants to point out all the examples of unhinged lefties, like this type of behavior is exclusive to one side. That's the problem these days. Neither side is willing to acknowledge that they have their own crazies.
 

MTTiger19

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My example doesn't really have anything to do with whether it was a good idea to paint the flag on the street in the first place. I would actually agree with both of you that it probably shouldn't be there because, whether intended or not, in this day and age, it's a divisive symbol.

My point is regarding the reaction to it only. Even if someone is opposed to everything Trump represents, if a sane, well adjusted adult sees someone wearing a MAGA hat, they don't start screaming at the person. Same goes for if someone opposes everything LGBT. If they see a pride flag on the street, they don't risk literal arrest and criminal charges by throwing a can of paint on it or doing donuts on it with their car. If you can't acknowledge that both of these things are unhinged behavior, then you're part of the problem.

@fatpiggy wants to point out all the examples of unhinged lefties, like this type of behavior is exclusive to one side. That's the problem these days. Neither side is willing to acknowledge that they have their own crazies.
If we are talking about the actions themselves in a vacuum then I agree with you 100%. They’re reprehensible and uncalled for.
 

WapPride

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I actually enjoy your posts and I like our discourse most of the time. Tell me more about this as I’m not sure I understand the point you’re making. I feel like the dismissive folks in this debate are the folks on the left so we are seeing this in an opposite manner.
No, I think we're on the same page. I was probably painting with a very broad brush, but it mainly was in regards to fatpiggy/growls/palmetto/allornothing/etc who seem just aggressively trollish. My point was that the non-MAGAs (otherwise known as the "libs" on here) ignore or dismiss the posts of those above, for the most part, because they don't really discuss anything in good faith. Occasionally, they'll get some bites and people will respond, but you never really see any actual healthy debate from those posters. I'm just as guilty as anyone else about being suckered into responding, especially if it's something just egregiously wrong, but I've tried to just ignore them recently.

If I'm bored at the office, though, all bets are off.
 
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fatpiggy

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My example doesn't really have anything to do with whether it was a good idea to paint the flag on the street in the first place. I would actually agree with both of you that it probably shouldn't be there because, whether intended or not, in this day and age, it's a divisive symbol.

My point is regarding the reaction to it only. Even if someone is opposed to everything Trump represents, if a sane, well adjusted adult sees someone wearing a MAGA hat, they don't start screaming at the person. Same goes for if someone opposes everything LGBT. If they see a pride flag on the street, they don't risk literal arrest and criminal charges by throwing a can of paint on it or doing donuts on it with their car. If you can't acknowledge that both of these things are unhinged behavior, then you're part of the problem.

@fatpiggy wants to point out all the examples of unhinged lefties, like this type of behavior is exclusive to one side. That's the problem these days. Neither side is willing to acknowledge that they have their own crazies.
A very reasonable position and thanks for your thoughts.

I agree the response was not appropriate, i just don't think those things should be there in the fist place.

The government should be helping ALL people. The focus on race / identity has to stop. It's tearing this country apart.

And i acknowledge the right has it's fair share of crazies. No one is doubting that.

The problem, in my opinion, is that the left is allowing their crazies to dictate policy. The far left 20% is dictating what the party stands for.

Take Trangenderism and trannies in women's sports. That is a far left issue that is mainstream democrat right now. Take immigration and the defense of an MS-13 member. That is a far left position.

The overton window is shifting back to the middle and the far left needs to be left behind.

Democrats need a leader with vision to take their party back from the far left.
 
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MTTiger19

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No, I think we're on the same page. I was probably painting with a very broad brush, but it mainly was in regards to fatpiggy/growls/palmetto/allornothing/etc who seem just aggressively trollish. My point was that the non-MAGAs (otherwise known as the "libs" on here) ignore or dismiss the posts of those above, for the most part, because they don't really discuss anything in good faith. Occasionally, they'll get some bites and people will respond, but you never really see any actual healthy debate from those posters. I'm just as guilty as anyone else about being suckered into responding, especially if it's something just egregiously wrong, but I've tried to just ignore them recently.

If I'm bored at the office, though, all bets are off.
I got ya. I’m sure some of the stuff here is trolling. I’m genuinely curious about the things I ask. And I’m also curious as to others positions and why they feel that way. Believe it or not I don’t take positions lightly and have given a lot of thought into things before I start posting nonsense. I try to have some measure of credibility. But I’m not kidding when I say 85% of the arguments opposed to my position are Trump bad. It’s wild.
 

lctiger843

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You seem mad.

How about we ask for our elected officials to change our immigration laws. That's the job of Congress and they tried to make progress and Trump killed it.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?
What's so hard for you to understand that the bill was blanket amnesty for millions? We did it back in the early 80's and it was a huge mistake. Change needs to be had, but lets not reward bad behavior and allow those **** sticks to cut to the front of the line.
 

lctiger843

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Assuming this isn't some skit for engagement, this person is unhinged.

Now a question for you. Would you agree that people doing stuff like this are equally unhinged?



They're both just different sides of the same coin. Triggered by a hat. Triggered by a flag.
Absolutely, but lets not kid ourselves here. The flag is stupid.
 
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yoshi121374

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What's so hard for you to understand that the bill was blanket amnesty for millions? We did it back in the early 80's and it was a huge mistake. Change needs to be had, but lets not reward bad behavior and allow those **** sticks to cut to the front of the line.

So come up with another plan. That's literally the way the government is designed. It's through compromise and negotiation to get the best deal done where everyone wins some, nobody gets everything they want, etc.

To just kill the bill and then use Executive Orders is not the intention of the founders of the US Constitution. I blame both parties,but mostly I blame the voters for not demanding better.
 
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PalmettoTiger1

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No no no. They have to be given a full trial in front of a judge in a courtroom of their choosing. They must have tax payer funded representation from a lawyer. They must be allowed to appeal or extend. These are rights they’ve earned by breaking our laws. Idc if it takes 5-10 years, that’s what you ******** get for not passing our “bipartisan” amnesty, I mean immigration, policies. What don’t you understand? Are you some kind of racist or xenophobic idiot? They have every much a right to our country, resources and people as you do. Just because your ancestors fought and died for this country gives you no right to decide if something is detrimental to it. The reason they come illegally is because of evil, hate filled border agents that arrest them and return them home, that’s unacceptable and a violation of basic human rights, if they make it to the border, they win, that’s our rules. Get over it.

Sounds like a plan!
 
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fatpiggy

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Florida attorney general refuses to enforce judges ruling.

The system is breaking down. All trust lost.

We The People voted in this.

 

PalmettoTiger1

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I got ya. I’m sure some of the stuff here is trolling. I’m genuinely curious about the things I ask. And I’m also curious as to others positions and why they feel that way. Believe it or not I don’t take positions lightly and have given a lot of thought into things before I start posting nonsense. I try to have some measure of credibility. But I’m not kidding when I say 85% of the arguments opposed to my position are Trump bad. It’s wild.

I am also totally perplexed by the people who don’t look at the issue.

When Trump picks a side of an issue the dogs go wild against him.

I say to myself all the time that I am not following Trump but more to following issues I agree with

It’s literally hilarious the way people go rabid bat guano crazy at the mention of Trump

I really want someone to explain to me EXACTLY what is the specific reasons that Trump bad My Ideas Better
 
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PalmettoTiger1

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A very reasonable position and thanks for your thoughts.

I agree the response was not appropriate, i just don't think those things should be there in the fist place.

The government should be helping ALL people. The focus on race / identity has to stop. It's tearing this country apart.

And i acknowledge the right has it's fair share of crazies. No one is doubting that.

The problem, in my opinion, is that the left is allowing their crazies to dictate policy. The far left 20% is dictating what the party stands for.

Take Trangenderism and trannies in women's sports. That is a far left issue that is mainstream democrat right now. Take immigration and the defense of an MS-13 member. That is a far left position.

The overton window is shifting back to the middle and the far left needs to be left behind.

Democrats need a leader with vision to take their party back from the far left.

Actually @fatpiggy what you say in this post is exactly how I feel

America needs at least the two parties who check each other through debate compromise and checks and balances

What has happened in my view is that advocating for crazy bizarre out of main stream behavior along with unreasonable policy is what the present Democrats think they need to do in a mad insatiable quest for power

America needs honest fair leadership from Democrats and Republicans

Not name calling and dishonest criminal behavior by either side

My Democratic friends may go ballistic on me but the federal budget is bloated waste fraud abuse and criminal activity and sadly supported and encouraged by mostly many Dems only for the goal of power and control

There are honest Dems and Republicans

At the moment I have absolute faith in the present direction of the country

If a person would not mention the word Trump and ONLY LOOK AT POLICY AND DIRECTION OF THE COUNTRY THEY WOULD AGREE SND BE ON BOARD

Most on here look at short term whereas America needs to play the long game

So I will continue to support the UNNAMED PEOPLE IN CHARGE TO AVOID THE INTELLECTUAL RIOT in their quest to make America better
 

Allornothing

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Who'd have thought affording people due process to ensure they are actually guilty of the crimes they're being accused of would be such a controversial subject.
Who’d have thought that someone who considers himself intelligent could not comprehend that someone who came here illegally does not have the rights of an American citizen.

They are not supposed to be here in the first place. Your boy Joe let them in by the millions.

Now they want health care, welfare, food & board, and you are fine with that.

I’m not fine with it in any way.

However, with the ones that are here, I propose you, and all other like minded f4cktards pay their way. You want them here. You pay for them. You and your family provide them with room/board. You pay for their cell phones and internet service.

They didn’t follow “DUE PROCESS” to get here, but you want them to be given due process to GTFO. Ain’t you a gem.
 

fatpiggy

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we call this one

Midterms, Margaritas, and MS-13

Democrats really stood up and **** in their own nest on this one.

 
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Allornothing

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I mean is there really a substantial difference in processing 10 million vs 20 million? Do you have some hard, factual data that’s not partisan that shows the actual real number. I love how you dismiss the entire point over something that is truly unknown. I mean it’s not like the number was 300 and I said 20 million. Semantics. Shell game.
Or, how about the millions that were already here. The media narrative for the last 3 decades was there were 11 million undocumented people (I think it’s millions more, but I digress).

Biden is elected, and let’s just say as a conservative estimate he let in 10 million more. I never said I was good at math, but that is over 20 million people.

WOW!
 

MTTiger19

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@nytigerfan is rolling around in his grave right now.

He said it just couldn’t be done. Wrong again. Trump does the impossible.

Was that dude right about anything? Literally anything?


This is fake news. I have it in good authority that this isn’t possible. There’s no way the current laws work. We will never have a secure border unless a bipartisan bill is passed in DC. Those poor people in the last administration weren’t allowed to do anything at the border because Trump.
 

dpic73

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These are the **** stains on humanity that democrats want to keep here.


You sure this didn't happen a year and a half ago or are you telling me that they would have the balls to do this today when they know it could get them shipped to a prison in El Salvador?

We know you only follow fake news propagandists who try to make you believe that things that happened as far back as 7-8 years ago, just happened.
 
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fatpiggy

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Listen to this gobleygook explanation of why it was OK to deport when Obama was president and Biden was president but now that Trump’s president its “different”


No authenticity, no logical consistency, straight buffoons. We see yall!!

 
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dpic73

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Listen to this gobleygook explanation of why it was OK to deport when Obama was president and Biden was president but now that Trump’s president its “different”


No authenticity, no logical consistency, straight buffoons. We see yall!!


 

MTTiger19

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What changed?

The only thing that changed is a large swath of people came down with the terminal disease TDS.



Spot on. I saw a video yesterday of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Obama and maybe Gore all saying the same thing Trump is saying today. It’s somewhat disturbing to see the about face on this position simply as an opposing side to Trump. In other words, they don’t really mean what they’re saying, they just hate Trump and that hatred determines their position. This is most likely the reason for the abysmal polling numbers for democrats. People are sick of the divisive horseshit from them. Look around the country - woke is dead, DEI fatigue is at an all time high and is on life support, illegals are being deported, the entire trans debate has been squashed, NGOs are being defunded for wasteful spending and rightfully so. The entire point of all those is division, divide into races or sexuality or oppressor or zealot or xenophobe, ultimately making America weaker, this has been rejected and thank God!
 

fatpiggy

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Spot on. I saw a video yesterday of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Obama and maybe Gore all saying the same thing Trump is saying today. It’s somewhat disturbing to see the about face on this position simply as an opposing side to Trump. In other words, they don’t really mean what they’re saying, they just hate Trump and that hatred determines their position. This is most likely the reason for the abysmal polling numbers for democrats. People are sick of the divisive horseshit from them. Look around the country - woke is dead, DEI fatigue is at an all time high and is on life support, illegals are being deported, the entire trans debate has been squashed, NGOs are being defunded for wasteful spending and rightfully so. The entire point of all those is division, divide into races or sexuality or oppressor or zealot or xenophobe, ultimately making America weaker, this has been rejected and thank God!
Nominated for post of the year.
 
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