Not a comfortable discussion but a needed one...

[Willence]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ley-atlanta-falcons-fined-draft-day-profanity

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Never meant to disrespect the NFL or whoever else felt uncomfortable watching a young black kid who came from nothing show raw pure emotion <a href="https://t.co/Ce5wfPHsDx">https://t.co/Ce5wfPHsDx</a></p>&mdash; Takkarist McKinley (@Takk) <a href="">May 1, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Why bring up his race as though somehow that kind of behavior is about race or anything else? I get so tired of seeing people use race to justify things. I mean what is he trying to say with this comment? Because he's black and from nothing, he can act how he wants? Is it that we don't understand how it's really OK to behave that way since we're not black and from nothing? Cussing that way and being out of his mind is raw emotion for him?

It just sets the bar so low on the basis of skin pigmentation and that's pure garbage to me. I am happy for him achieving his dream and I admire his ability to overcome so much to reach this point. But to me, all those things are signs of strength of character not weakness. It has nothing whatsoever to do with him being black. He's a man just like me. The color of his skin is utterly meaningless in the true scheme of things.

I realize that to society and other humans, we may see skin color but the reality is his blood is just like mine and we are brothers in humanity. I don't see a need for him or anyone else to play race as a crutch for how he behaved or anything else. Just way over the line for me. I actually find this far more distasteful than I did his behavior when he was drafted.

Thoughts?

 

[jonalexand1]

I see where you're coming from, but you're thinking a little too deeply about what this kid said on draft night / Tweeted. He's not exactly a Mensa candidate, and appears to be a bit unstable. I wouldn't expect his comments to be all that well thought out and/or conveyed in the best of ways.

 

[casellers84]

Not saying he's an idiot but he certainly acted like one in that situation. Hopefully as he gets older he'll realize that.

Plenty of guys in that draft came from nothing and he's the only one who showed his a$$ on national television.

 

[tothmaster]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ley-atlanta-falcons-fined-draft-day-profanity

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Never meant to disrespect the NFL or whoever else felt uncomfortable watching a young black kid who came from nothing show raw pure emotion <a href="https://t.co/Ce5wfPHsDx">https://t.co/Ce5wfPHsDx</a></p>&mdash; Takkarist McKinley (@Takk) <a href="">May 1, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Why bring up his race as though somehow that kind of behavior is about race or anything else? I get so tired of seeing people use race to justify things. I mean what is he trying to say with this comment? Because he's black and from nothing, he can act how he wants? Is it that we don't understand how it's really OK to behave that way since we're not black and from nothing? Cussing that way and being out of his mind is raw emotion for him?

It just sets the bar so low on the basis of skin pigmentation and that's pure garbage to me. I am happy for him achieving his dream and I admire his ability to overcome so much to reach this point. But to me, all those things are signs of strength of character not weakness. It has nothing whatsoever to do with him being black. He's a man just like me. The color of his skin is utterly meaningless in the true scheme of things.

I realize that to society and other humans, we may see skin color but the reality is his blood is just like mine and we are brothers in humanity. I don't see a need for him or anyone else to play race as a crutch for how he behaved or anything else. Just way over the line for me. I actually find this far more distasteful than I did his behavior when he was drafted.

Thoughts?

I read it differently. I don't think he's trying to justify it based on race, he's just saying who he is. He doesn't strike me as a guy with much of a filter.

 

[Willence]

I see where you're coming from, but you're thinking a little too deeply about what this kid said on draft night / Tweeted. He's not exactly a Mensa candidate, and appears to be a bit unstable. I wouldn't expect his comments to be all that well thought out and/or conveyed in the best of ways.

It isn't so much that he's saying it. It's that people accept it as an explanation. It says a lot about how others view this type of thing. I just see this kind of stuff a lot. It's become a "boy who cried wolf" situation. We use race so liberally and it isn't that at all. Racism is a VERY serious charge and the meaning behind that charge should be respected and considered carefully. There's a hint of many things in this area implied in his tweet and people should call that out in my view. Maybe I am too deep with this but it just struck a nerve.

 

[amynhop]

I don't think coming from nothing or the color of your skin excuses anything. We all have obstacles to overcome and we are all accountable for our actions.

That being said.... I saw him in an interview a few days ago and I liked how he conducted himself much better than my initial impression of him.

Still am disgusted by his on stage draft interview.

 

[scartiger]

Class and Classless the choice is yours.

 

[RUBDROC]

Excuses.....

 

[nmerritt11]

He gotta little crazy in him. Now let him go get some QBs alongside Vic

 

[CU All Day]

I read it differently. I don't think he's trying to justify it based on race, he's just saying who he is. He doesn't strike me as a guy with much of a filter.

I can see this. I can also get what OP is saying. People interpret things however they want, though

 

[NavyTigerSC]

I think he probably called himself black because, you know, he is.

Calling myself a man isn't an attempt to prove a point to the genderless. It just is what it is.

 

[Lot4tiger]

Had no problems with that tweet, honestly. Most Americans can't really relate to how difficult it is to grow up in the situations in which many young African American find themselves. That's a fact. This kid grew up without a mother or a father. It's remarkable what he has accomplished and I'm not willing to label him unstable, thuggish, racist or any of the negative attributes being thrown his way. Especially off of two minutes of video immediately following him achieving his dreams and financial security for the rest of his life. Hell, I'm not sure if my reaction would be as tame as his!

 

[bossterrier]

take Takkarist McKinley's name out and replace with Deshaun Watson and see what the responses would be...

Watson's situation growing up isn't all that different.

I was embarrassed for the kid. His agent and handlers should have taken control of that situation preemptively when he had the pic of his grandma ready to go on stage with Godell. Right, wrong, or indifferent, he made a fool of himself on national TV and embarrassed himself, UCLA, the NFL, and the Falcons organization. This was also his first introduction to the Falcons fans and most of the nation and his image is going to take awhile to recover from that.

Really, really stupid.

 

[Transference]

Watching people getting outraged over how a 20 yr old cursed and screamed after getting a million dollar windfall and fulfilling a promise to his dead grandmother, while at the same time voting for Donald Trump is quite humorous.

 

[Willence]

Watching people getting outraged over how a 20 yr old cursed and screamed after getting a million dollar windfall and fulfilling a promise to his dead grandmother, while at the same time voting for Donald Trump is quite humorous.

This isn't about politics. That's a nice try at deflection and I would expect no less from you in this matter. Saying we don't understand or pointing out our hypocrisy is not the issue. My point is that using race as a key description in his explanation is a very poor choice. He had people helping him with this tweet. So they are playing on race as part of this justification. I find that insulting. Saying a 20 year old can't conduct himself accordingly because they are excited is yet another excuse.

 

[casellers84]

Watching people getting outraged over how a 20 yr old cursed and screamed after getting a million dollar windfall and fulfilling a promise to his dead grandmother, while at the same time voting for Donald Trump is quite humorous.

GTFO assuming everyone here who disagrees with you is a Trump supporter. I voted for Johnson and the dude made a bonehead move. I made plenty in my early 20's.

 

[B. Winstonworth]

Ah, the tried and true "I don't see race" race-baiting strategy. Nice.

 

[iceheart08]

People on TI have such enlightened perspectives on people that aren't like themselves.

Always a pleasure gentleman.

 

[Willence]

Ah, the tried and true "I don't see race" race-baiting strategy. Nice.

Excuse me? Not sure you pointed this my way but if you did, whatever man. I don't care about skin color. I didn't say I don't see race. We are all humans and we all work the same way. If you think that's a race baiting strategy, I dunno what else to tell you. Besides, I didn't bring race into this issue, McKinley did. Now if you have something useful to contribute, please do. The one liners really don't apply here.

 

[Winstonw101]

Why is this a needed discussion?

 

[Tigerbacker01]

Is someone who is negatively interpreting this kid's actions and tweets complaining about how people interpret a kid calling himself black? Isn't that basically starting a post and calling yourself out? Go find something else to complain about. In your world, I'm sure there's plenty of material......

 

[mccadoyle]

I think he probably called himself black because, you know, he is.

Calling myself a man isn't an attempt to prove a point to the genderless. It just is what it is.

 

[Steven15]

Some angry cracka's ITT

 

[Willence]

People on TI have such enlightened perspectives on people that aren't like themselves.

Always a pleasure gentleman.

Ice, there is a general standard of behavior in every society that has ever existed. There are issues of decorum and just general expectations on behavior. This is the case EVERYWHERE. So it has nothing to do with if he's like me or not. He is an American just like I am. Your normal intellectual arrogant statements are not applicable here. It's funny how you sit in judgment of those you think sit in judgment of others. I guess you're the ultimate arbiter then or is it that you're just the most arrogant and condescending one? I get confused...

If he'd said a young kid in his tweet, I wouldn't have said anything. But since he threw black in there, he brought race into the discussion. Again, no one seems to be able to talk about that part. Instead we just turn to the usual canned lines and statements which have nothing to do with much of anything but old arguments and politics.

 

[amynhop]

Why is this a needed discussion?

Why did you delete your $ 200 Jean post?

 

[CUTiger81]

Brown, black, yellow, white....we all have certain advantages or disadvantages in life based on the situation we were born into. I just wish race didn't have to be a part of the discussion.

 

[amynhop]

Some angry cracka's ITT

Reported for racism.

 

[Willence]

I think he probably called himself black because, you know, he is.

Calling myself a man isn't an attempt to prove a point to the genderless. It just is what it is.

This would work were it outside of the context of our society today. Inside the context of the world we live in, I am not going to believe you're that naive as to believe what you wrote. That he is black and a man, is self evident. You're ignoring the circumstances in favor of going literal which doesn't help anything. Nice try though.

 

[iceheart08]

Ice, there is a general standard of behavior in every society that has ever existed. There are issues of decorum and just general expectations on behavior. This is the case EVERYWHERE. So it has nothing to do with if he's like me or not. He is an American just like I am. Your normal intellectual arrogant statements are not applicable here. It's funny how you sit in judgment of those you think sit in judgment of others. I guess you're the ultimate arbiter then or is it that you're just the most arrogant and condescending one? I get confused...

If he'd said a young kid in his tweet, I wouldn't have said anything. But since he threw black in there, he brought race into the discussion. Again, no one seems to be able to talk about that part. Instead we just turn to the usual canned lines and statements which have nothing to do with much of anything but old arguments and politics.

the ultimate arbiter? hardly.

what part do you want to talk about it. from his perspective, being black is a key part of his journey, and the struggles and tribulations that he overcame.

Generally speaking, black people live a vastly different life than white people, just like asian people do, and hispanic people, and muslim people. He is making that point. sorry it offends all the whities ITT. But, believe it or not, thats his reality.

 

[TigerJAC]

It isn't so much that he's saying it. It's that people accept it as an explanation. It says a lot about how others view this type of thing. I just see this kind of stuff a lot. It's become a "boy who cried wolf" situation. We use race so liberally and it isn't that at all. Racism is a VERY serious charge and the meaning behind that charge should be respected and considered carefully. There's a hint of many things in this area implied in his tweet and people should call that out in my view. Maybe I am too deep with this but it just struck a nerve.

I get what you're saying. I wish people in general wouldn't use black, white, etc at all, regarding this situation or anything that's positive or negative. It doesn't help bring people together. It does make it sound as if more black kids come from nothing than other races or that his situation means more because a black kid came from nothing compared to a kid from another race.

You rarely see anyone say "young white kid that came from nothing." If that was said, it would raise eyebrows and create controversy for sure. So why can't people of all races just say "young kid that came from nothing"?

 

[CarolsBabyDaddy]

I read it differently. I don't think he's trying to justify it based on race, he's just saying who he is. He doesn't strike me as a guy with much of a filter.

Yeah. I'm a guy who doesn't like to pay taxes so, nothing should happen to me when I don't pay them

 

[Willence]

Generally speaking, black people live a vastly different life than white people, just like asian people do, and hispanic people, and muslim people. He is making that point. sorry it offends all the whities ITT. But, believe it or not, thats his reality.

You don't say? I didn't realize that. I've never met a black person before. There are Asian and Hispanic people too? C'mon man...where?

If only you knew where I grew up, how I grew up, who my friends are and where I send my kids to school and why...

My point is that profane behavior, out of control emotions and a disregard for traditional decorum on TV are not racial issues. That you think it may be (if that is the case) is actually quite the statement of a racial nature. There isn't one single aspect of what he did that's "black." So the black in his tweet was for other reasons.

 

[CarolsBabyDaddy]

Some angry cracka's ITT

 

[casellers84]

the ultimate arbiter? hardly.

what part do you want to talk about it. from his perspective, being black is a key part of his journey, and the struggles and tribulations that he overcame.

Generally speaking, black people live a vastly different life than white people, just like asian people do, and hispanic people, and muslim people. He is making that point. sorry it offends all the whities ITT. But, believe it or not, thats his reality.

What does this bullshvt have to do with a dude dropping GD on national television? You think African American men can't conduct themselves in a gentlemanly manner? I guess you think, oh that's just a dumb black kid, don't mind him, he's too stupid to know any better. I guess you forgot that Deon Sanders did an incredible job of diffusing the situation.

Say what you really need to say without the backhanded slights.

 

[Willence]

What does this bullshvt have to do with a dude dropping GD on national television? You think African American men can't conduct themselves in a gentlemanly manner? I guess you think, oh that's just a dumb black kid, don't mind him, he's too stupid to know any better. I guess you forgot that Deon Sanders did an incredible job of diffusing the situation.

Say what you really need to say without the backhanded slights.

Thank you! Soft bigotry of low expectations on full display with ice and so many others. Glad to see one person gets it.

 

[SDTiger9]

I laugh at the not going to fine him.

Yeah, maybe they can't because he's not someone actually employed by the NFL.

At the time it happened, the Atlanta Falcons have the rights to employee him. He's no different than you or me at the time it happened.

Um, you can't fine someone that doesn't work for you. NFLPA would have a field day.

 

[iceheart08]

What does this bullshvt have to do with a dude dropping GD on national television? You think African American men can't conduct themselves in a gentlemanly manner? I guess you think, oh that's just a dumb black kid, don't mind him, he's too stupid to know any better. I guess you forgot that Deon Sanders did an incredible job of diffusing the situation.

Say what you really need to say without the backhanded slights.

holy idiotic response batman...

i thought we were upset about him including the fact that he was black in his tweet. No? are we upset that he yelled "********" on national television? did I address that in my post? no?

 

[TigerJAC]

take Takkarist McKinley's name out and replace with Deshaun Watson and see what the responses would be...

Watson's situation growing up isn't all that different.

I was embarrassed for the kid. His agent and handlers should have taken control of that situation preemptively when he had the pic of his grandma ready to go on stage with Godell. Right, wrong, or indifferent, he made a fool of himself on national TV and embarrassed himself, UCLA, the NFL, and the Falcons organization. This was also his first introduction to the Falcons fans and most of the nation and his image is going to take awhile to recover from that.

Really, really stupid.

You're right, Watson's situation isn't much different probably, but I seriously doubt he would have worded things the way this young man did. I predict DW would have taken race out of it and said I'm a kid from a humble beginnings, etc, etc, etc. I'm not trying to make a big deal over what OP is saying, because it happens all the time, and I don't let that bother me. But, he has a point imo.

 

[iceheart08]

Thank you! Soft bigotry of low expectations on full display with ice and so many others. Glad to see one person gets it.

you are right, IM the bigot ITT.

as I said, carry on gentleman...

 

[Lot4tiger]

What I find odd is people are just vehemently disgusted by the language that he used. If you think NFL teams, players and coaches don't readily utilize this language, I don't know what to tell you. I watched Hard Knocks with the Texans two years ago. Deshaun better get REAL used to hearing GD and F@#k out of his Head Coach's mouth.