FC/OT: DOJ sues Penn State over tuition discrimination.
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Does this surprise anyone?
I’m sure it’s all just a misunderstanding.
A kid who goes to 4 years high school in PA gets in state tuition. Versus a kid who does not live in PA gets out of state tuition. That’s the issue being adjudicated
Uh, no
These are links to the policies in question:
Resources for Undocumented Students | Undergraduate Admissions
Resources for Undocumented Students | Undergraduate Admissions
Not only does PSU provide tuition discounts to non-citizens (residing in PA), it actively encourages those non-citizens to NOT disclose the parameters of their non-citizenship status.
These have been PSU policies for some time, and it was only a matter of time before the DOJ got around to addressing PSU for these flaunts of Federal Law.
FWIW:
Sooner or later they MAY get around to the many, many violations of Federal Law at PSU vav the "DEI" stuff - but I say MAY, because they may never get around to that issue here at PSU, because there are so many Universities who the DOJ views as "bigger fish" yet to address.
These are links to the policies in question:
Resources for Undocumented Students | Undergraduate Admissions
Resources for Undocumented Students | Undergraduate Admissions
Not only does PSU provide tuition discounts to non-citizens (residing in PA), it actively encourages those non-citizens to NOT disclose the parameters of their non-citizenship status.
These have been PSU policies for some time, and it was only a matter of time before the DOJ got around to addressing PSU for these flaunts of Federal Law.
FWIW:
Sooner or later they MAY get around to the many, many violations of Federal Law at PSU vav the "DEI" stuff - but I say MAY, because they may never get around to that issue here at PSU, because there are so many Universities who the DOJ views as "bigger fish" yet to address.
What if the undocumented kid is 6-3, 220 and runs a 4.3?
From the article:
”A Penn State spokesperson told Onward State the university is “aware of the complaint and is reviewing it.””
They left off “and we don’t give a sh|t.”
Hmmm....not cool. There are oodles of underprivileged Pa. Kids who deserve a an opportunity to get a college education. Penn State is broken.
Help me. Is there any suggestion or evidence that undocumented students have admissions preference?
Was there historically — as in say 30 years ago — any consideration of citizenship status in the determination of in-state standing?
Lots of other schools on the DOJ hitlist for this - including Oklahoma.....
PSU = low hanging fruit. The feds know we’ll just roll over and pay out.
That just might be the whatever it’s called cement crack of the week!Like the football team, I don’t think PSU has much of a defense.
Not sure...I did a quick Google Search of the policy pre-Neeli's hiring and found it was pretty much the same (and seemed to be the same at many State schools) in 2020.
Yeah, I think allowing non-documented residents of the state to get in state tuition is actually very common and long standing in most places in the USA. I remember it coming up in Maryland where I was living years ago (looks like it was in 2011 with the Maryland DREAM Act) and at the time my reaction was something like "well, obviously, you wouldn't give in state tuition to illegal immigrants, how is this even a question?" but yet the law passed.
Go doj. We pay two out of state tuitions. Absolutely ridiculous psu does this .
The odd thing about it to me is how many state public universities often have extremely rigid processes to become eligible for in state tuition. Like even if your parents move to the state or you live there year round, you don'tr necessarily qualify. Or if your parents are divorced and one lives in a state but you graduated from high school in another state with a different parent then you don't qualify.
It just seems strange to me that these colleges aggressively define what it means to be a "resident" of the state in terms of keeping kids from getting in state discounts but then allow for non-citizens who are not there legally to qualify for resident status.
Yes literally until you are 24 years old can you establish residency
I could never establish in-state tuition status for PSU, but I could vote in PA elections, pay EIT to PA Dept of Rev, Per Cap taxes locally, get a PA DL, etc.
Yep, not exactly the most in-state friendly university. It’s almost as if they are trying to keep Pennsylvania kids away.
Damn. I wish I'd known. I would have had my daughter "identify" as an illegal alien. It would have saved me a bundle of money.
If a guy can "identify" as a girl it seems reasonable that you can identify as an illegal.
If a guy can "identify" as a girl it seems reasonable that you can identify as an illegal.
Nothing is surprising regarding the scoundrels running our University.
Exactly, that’s what angers mean more than anything on this subject.
I’m not quite following how you got to that conclusion from Sleepy’s post. Couldn’t you just as well reach the conclusion that the other PA processes are lax?
Don’t many undocumented persons file and pay taxes? I don’t see this issue here for those who do with respect to residency. Then again I’m not in the majority of people that just go with “it sounds good or bad” arguments to sort things out.
Right so a kid who has lived in PA long enough to attend 4 years of high school in PA and gets accepted to PSU gets in state tuition! Would you rather a kid who grew up and went high school in PA be college educated and a productive member society or not. This is such a marginal issue to get upset about; both in terms of numbers and $$ and in social policy. Some kid whose parents brought him here “illegally” but he’s lived here at least through high school and now college getting in state tuition just like every other kid whose parents brought grew up in PA!
So is Penn State's.......going all the way back to 2011.
Yea, I mean these are complicated issues that many see as clearly black and white.
Because I live and teach in Maryland, I regularly see kids with much lower qualifications being admitted to Penn State than those in the state of PA. Just last fall, I know two students from Central Maryland who have no alumni or any other known ties to the university get into main campus with sub 1100 SATs and GPS in the 3.5 to 3.6 range. plenty of others who are getting in with only slightly better academic records while kids from PA who have stronger academic potential are put on the waiting list, sent to branch campuses or even not admitted.
By contrast, University of Illinois Admissions says, “We don’t care where you’re from. If you’re stupid, don’t apply.”
what kind of kids are you describing? Is the dynamic that PSU is admitting borderline out of state candidates that can pay full sticker?
Couple of points..
1. It doesn’t say that it’s merely undocumented kids in Pennsylvania…it could have also applied to undocumented kids in other states.
2. PSU gets federal funding and Congress stipulated the rule…PSU broke the rule.
So the issue is that undocumented (illegal?) immigrants are being subsidized (with limited, tax payer dollars) to attend Penn State at the expense of Pennsylvania citizens. Yeah..I would take issue with that. Especially when PA has a problem keeping kids in the state post-graduation.
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