Burroughs asked about coaching at Iowa

[MSU158]

MSU, you are not quite grasping it. You a marveling at PSU thinking nothing can be done. The better question is how did they get there? His teams are breaking scoring records because up until DT stepping foot in Stillwater, Cael was just abusing how bad the programs have fallen behind in recruiting. Ok st under Smith was on life support, Ryan at Ohio st isnt a player anymore, Minny- go fish, Cornell- best years behind them and Iowa is a shell of itself and not a force. Most top kids don't even take Iowa serious under Brands.

SO what I see on the landscape is its going to take a cumulative whole by 2-3 teams to bring PSU back down to a manageable point range to ever win nationals again. The good news is that Ok State is off life support and charging hard. Ok state did everything possible but in YEAR 2. Imagine what each year moving forward will look like. Doesn't happen overnight so I dont get your attitude that DT has somehow peeked already.

But they are the only ones who are making any ground and getting back to a true wrestling bluebloods potential. Iowa is so far from the programs potential they have stalled out and looking to land the plane. So I am just baffled how you dont see putting JB in Iowa city wouldnt start trending back up. Then and only then can you have both Iowa and Ok st eating up the points difference that PSU is just accumulating because nobody was even close to them on any recruit. DT and Jax changed that. But only one team.

Iowa & Ok state have to start getting the recruits away from PSU that are going there without even thinking twice because Brands isnt the draw he use to be.

I can promise you a healthy Ok St and Iowa programs with the right recruiters to match Cael's name- well close as you could get, will chip away. I never thought Id think this but really Ok St needs Iowa and vice versa to run down the goliath. Then once in striking distance again its who can have a better tournament with their top dogs.

Let me know when OKState truly recruits over PSU at a need weight where they are all in. I am still not convinced this can happen even with DT given every possible resource to compete.

Let’s not forget that PSU was the absolute prime sleeping giant in wrestling prior to Sanderson. Its location geographically blows Iowa away, let alone it being centered perfectly in and around the best high school wrestling BY FAR.

For all the potential OKSTate and Iowa have they fall woefully behind in that regard. You put quite possibly the biggest name in American wrestling of ALL TIME and then gave him every resource imaginable for a fringe sport. It changed the sport. The few elites like Iowa were fighting and winning battles on the front lines with top of the line tanks, but that became obsolete when Sanderson was given an unlimited supply of drones that can simply overwhelm everyone else with sheer numbers and limited risk….

 

[VakAttack]

Let me know when OKState truly recruits over PSU at a need weight where they are all in. I am still not convinced this can happen even with DT given every possible resource to compete.

Let’s not forget that PSU was the absolute prime sleeping giant in wrestling prior to Sanderson. Its location geographically blows Iowa away, let alone it being centered perfectly in and around the best high school wrestling BY FAR.

For all the potential OKSTate and Iowa have they fall woefully behind in that regard. You put quite possibly the biggest name in American wrestling of ALL TIME and then gave him every resource imaginable for a fringe sport. It changed the sport. The few elites like Iowa were fighting and winning battles on the front lines with top of the line tanks, but that became obsolete when Sanderson was given an unlimited supply of drones that can simply overwhelm everyone else with sheer numbers and limited risk….

This has already happened at least once with Dreshaun Ross.

 

[VonEhwegen]

You’re painting with a pretty broad brush.

I’ll give you my opinion: For a guy to go to a school and be alright not being the man at his weight, he’s likely getting seriously compensated to not hit the portal.
I have zero inside info, but I will GUARANTEE there are non-starters at both psu and osu that are making more than some of our starters

100% not even a question. You want a deep bench; it will cost you

 

[VonEhwegen]

MSU, you are not quite grasping it. You a marveling at PSU thinking nothing can be done. The better question is how did they get there? His teams are breaking scoring records because up until DT stepping foot in Stillwater, Cael was just abusing how bad the programs have fallen behind in recruiting. Ok st under Smith was on life support, Ryan at Ohio st isnt a player anymore, Minny- go fish, Cornell- best years behind them and Iowa is a shell of itself and not a force. Most top kids don't even take Iowa serious under Brands.

SO what I see on the landscape is its going to take a cumulative whole by 2-3 teams to bring PSU back down to a manageable point range to ever win nationals again. The good news is that Ok State is off life support and charging hard. Ok state did everything possible but in YEAR 2. Imagine what each year moving forward will look like. Doesn't happen overnight so I dont get your attitude that DT has somehow peeked already.

But they are the only ones who are making any ground and getting back to a true wrestling bluebloods potential. Iowa is so far from the programs potential they have stalled out and looking to land the plane. So I am just baffled how you dont see putting JB in Iowa city wouldnt start trending back up. Then and only then can you have both Iowa and Ok st eating up the points difference that PSU is just accumulating because nobody was even close to them on any recruit. DT and Jax changed that. But only one team.

Iowa & Ok state have to start getting the recruits away from PSU that are going there without even thinking twice because Brands isnt the draw he use to be.

I can promise you a healthy Ok St and Iowa programs with the right recruiters to match Cael's name- well close as you could get, will chip away. I never thought Id think this but really Ok St needs Iowa and vice versa to run down the goliath. Then once in striking distance again its who can have a better tournament with their top dogs.

What top recruits don't take Iowa serious? They all take the call and visits when offered? Almost every single top recruit visits Iowa. Top recruits would be dumb to turn down a visit/offer from an Iowa, PSU Okie st any of them and they all take the visits.

 

[VonEhwegen]

How sure are we that Brands has a buyout provision in his contract? Generally, buyouts exist for revenue sports as a way to retain hot commodity coaches. But I cannot imagine Iowa worrying too much about Brands threatening to leave for greener pastures.

Iowa has no worries of brands every leaving for greener pastures. There is no buyout in place. No wrestling schools make money

 

[MSU158]

This has already happened at least once with Dreshaun Ross.

That is a “sort of”. It’s not like Mirasola was chopped liver. I am talking about NEED and not just want. To me Spencer Lee is the ONLY true NEED that PSU has gone 100% after and didn’t get. If I start seeing 1 or 2 of those every couple of years, THEN I can be willing to believe a team can truly compete with what PSU has become….

 

[ChicagoHawk2020]

That is a “sort of”. It’s not like Mirasola was chopped liver. I am talking about NEED and not just want. To me Spencer Lee is the ONLY true NEED that PSU has gone 100% after and didn’t get. If I start seeing 1 or 2 of those every couple of years, THEN I can be willing to believe a team can truly compete with what PSU has become….

It’s not a “sort of” at all Carl did a full court press and it didn’t work.

 

[VonEhwegen]

That is a “sort of”. It’s not like Mirasola was chopped liver. I am talking about NEED and not just want. To me Spencer Lee is the ONLY true NEED that PSU has gone 100% after and didn’t get. If I start seeing 1 or 2 of those every couple of years, THEN I can be willing to believe a team can truly compete with what PSU has become….

You think PSU gets EVERY kid that they truly want? And if they don't get the kid, they didn't try full out for him?

 

[Stick Kitty]

What top recruits don't take Iowa serious? They all take the call and visits when offered? Almost every single top recruit visits Iowa. Top recruits would be dumb to turn down a visit/offer from an Iowa, PSU Okie st any of them and they all take the visits.

Many a PSU kid has not visited Iowa City. Most notable Aaron Brooks. I could name a lot. Also many are told they cant by Cael- Most notable RBY.

But for fun list PSU's projected starters and tell me which ones set foot in Iowa city or heck even listed Iowa top 3?

 

[Stick Kitty]

You think PSU gets EVERY kid that they truly want? And if they don't get the kid, they didn't try full out for him?

Cael is batting at a pretty high clip. The only notable ones are Spencer and Jax, now Ross. But as I said earlier I dont blame the kids if the options where Tom Ryan, Mark Manning, Tom Brands or John Smith.

Whole point was David Taylor & Jordan Burroughs are two different younger animals to deal with. MSU they would chip away. Cael will still be the hands down #1 recruiter with what he has built but chip away a kid here and there and soon enough you are looking Cael in the eyes again. OK state is at least waist level but Iowa is eyeballing shins nowadays.

 

[el dub]

Let me know when OKState truly recruits over PSU at a need weight where they are all in. I am still not convinced this can happen even with DT given every possible resource to compete.

Let’s not forget that PSU was the absolute prime sleeping giant in wrestling prior to Sanderson. Its location geographically blows Iowa away, let alone it being centered perfectly in and around the best high school wrestling BY FAR.

For all the potential OKSTate and Iowa have they fall woefully behind in that regard. You put quite possibly the biggest name in American wrestling of ALL TIME and then gave him every resource imaginable for a fringe sport. It changed the sport. The few elites like Iowa were fighting and winning battles on the front lines with top of the line tanks, but that became obsolete when Sanderson was given an unlimited supply of drones that can simply overwhelm everyone else with sheer numbers and limited risk….

Warning: Goalpost movement ahead!

 

[Mattski]

Let me know when OKState truly recruits over PSU at a need weight where they are all in. I am still not convinced this can happen even with DT given every possible resource to compete.

Let’s not forget that PSU was the absolute prime sleeping giant in wrestling prior to Sanderson. Its location geographically blows Iowa away, let alone it being centered perfectly in and around the best high school wrestling BY FAR.

For all the potential OKSTate and Iowa have they fall woefully behind in that regard. You put quite possibly the biggest name in American wrestling of ALL TIME and then gave him every resource imaginable for a fringe sport. It changed the sport. The few elites like Iowa were fighting and winning battles on the front lines with top of the line tanks, but that became obsolete when Sanderson was given an unlimited supply of drones that can simply overwhelm everyone else with sheer numbers and limited risk….

Jax says hi as well. And he was in Caels backyard.

 

[Corby2]

I like you Corby but this post is disingenuous. Without a high end RTC commitment, DT wasn’t going to Iowa. JB is going to ask for the same. When the DT/Iowa rumor occurred, DT was the #1 wrestler on the planet and a near lock for the Olympics. Wasn’t really looking and neither was Iowa. Six weeks later, OSU.called him up two days after he had no future in freestyle. Timing is everything, and a lot of what StickKitty wrote is spot on. You can’t let Brands get to 2028 without a new contract or recruiting will fall off a cliff. Replace or renew by 2028 at the latest or suffer the consequences.

My first post about this a few days ago I said they would need 400-500k a year from donors for his salary.

It would also take a huge RTC commitment. I'm done talking about it .