Hank or Heck?

[Mattski]

I've been a Heck guy from the start bc our best teams have had a guy more like him than Hank at qb. Banks, Tate, CJ were all a bit more high risk high reward types and that's what we need to win games when we don't have a dominant defense with NFL talent at all levels.

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

Who would have guessed? The one time I don't qualify my statement, someone will jump at it. You guys are so predictable.

Yes, absent of morality, citizenship, etc issues within the program, the role of the fan is to support. You really got me on that one.

Of course support Lickliter. That's actually what made me join this site, shortly after Fran was hired. I had read the board, but never posted, for many years before that.

But I was so upset about fans having abandoned Lickliter, that I didn't want to see it happen with Fran.

So I started posting, in attempts to reunite Hawk fans.

Clearly, I had no idea what I was in for.

Was too young to remember the last of the Commings years. But again, absent any moral type issues, I don't see why Hawk fans wouldn't have supported their team. Wouldn't it be a fan's instinct to root even harder for their team when they know it's needed?

And just because you don't seem to understand what the very simple role of the fan is, does not mean you need to accuse me of worshipping anything.

Was it worship when I called out KF, after the Michigan game, for playing TB while he was obviously hurt?

LOL. Eyes - telling fans how to be fans since 2010.

 

[Grayhair1981]

None of this means a darn thing.

It's real simple.

Don't contribute to QB controversies. And support whoever is on the field

Do the coaches or players read anything on here? If they do, shame on them.

 

[Iron Doc]

We must start Heck versus the Rodents and Boat Man.

 

[Iron Doc]

LOL. Eyes - telling fans how to be fans since 2010.

ol' eyes - (fortunately) one of a kind

 

[BigOHawk1]

Just remember boys it was a few short years ago we had ZERO ability at the QB position with Deacon Hill, Petras, Labas, Cade, Padilla, etc...now we have TWO capable QB's and yes, I fully believe you ride Heck now....he has a different mojo and vibe and TBH more of the playbook is open for Lester, that cannot be understated. I knew injecting him into the lineup last week was gonna jumpstart us a bit and the OL was pissed after two subpar weeks albeit vs. very tough DL's.

Kirk normally puts out these QB fires in the media yet unprompted I heard twice mention Heck has had very good weeks of practice, fired up the team plus is taking care of the ball, etc, etc. That tells me he is gonna maybe ride this QB and we know he hates Fleck and wants that pig...

 

[eyesofhawk]

Do the coaches or players read anything on here? If they do, shame on them.

I would agree. Shame on them.

I'm pretty sure we've been over this before

 

[ClarindaA’s]

Whatever Kirk’s first instinct is, at least in regards to QB, he should go against it.

 

[DaytonaHawk]

I believe who ever starts needs to stare down Diaz, or throw a poorly thrown check down for two yard completion on third down.

 

[eyesofhawk]

Tell me this - The conversation about Iowa having two capable QB's is the hottest topic for fans right now. It is not the fans' fault that that is the case. So, how exactly are fans allowed to discuss this without "contributing to a qb controversy?" You make it sound like no one should mention the word "QB" so that the team isn't disturbed. Since you're an ideal fan, I look forward to your answer.

That's hilarious that you think fan discourse is some sort of priority.

This is beyond simple, so pay attention. The priority of the fan is to act in the best interest of the team.

If everyone really believes Iowa has two capable QBs, then it shouldn't be a hot topic at all. Why would anyone even care? It would sound like reason to be happy with either qb playing.

Be we know darn well it's not that innocent. We know darn well that a lot of people are going to behave like little bitches if Brown starts again. We know darn well that people will have their axes to grind and narratives to "uphold".

Was Padilla just discourse? No. That got heated really quickly. And fans got way out of line.

If fans must have some degree of discourse, so be it. But I would expect fans to have a pulse on the situation. If people start to get heated about it, don't stoke the fire.

And even better yet, remind fans to support the team, no matter who plays. And to not litter Hawkeye nation with negativity.

That's where I would expect reasonable discourse to lead to. And that's what happened, as a preventative, in this discussion. So now, my expectation is for people to be reasonable and listen.

Coaches tell us all the time that the community is part of the team. Just act like it; and what to do, and what not to do, will become very clear

 

[DaytonaHawk]

Hank has gotten rid of the ball faster in every game they’ve both played. He’s also been more accurate through the season so what’s your point? Hank would have put up the exact same performance against that team.

It’s pretty obvious you’ve made your decision and you won’t accept any response that isn’t in agreement with you so I guess I’ll drop it.

Okay let’s be real, Heck didn’t get a fare shake. Hank always got the scripted plays. Heck got put out there with backups. I love Kirk, but I knew after his Kid’s day comments that Heck was not his pony. Hanks style of play will continually get you 8 man fronts. Heck pushes it down field. Washington never did sneak the safeties down into the box. Hank is a great team player and leader, but his field recognition and confidence makes him take the safe check down to often.

 

[DaytonaHawk]

Three TDs to three guys that didn't have anyone within 10 yds of them. Boy he REALLY had to zip those in there under pressure didn't he. It was a function of the plays called by Lester, and pounding them in the run game AND WAshingtons DB's were crap. I'm fine with Heck, but your pure nonsense that there's ANY correlation to the way the TEAM played against OSU, (and a 10x better defense) then what we saw last night

Ok, Mrs. Brown we get it

 

[Wobmam Rulez!]

This is stupid. Heck started out 2-6, then finished 12-13. Honestly, the TD passes were to wide open receivers. I can see why Kirk is still trying to figure who's better. KM running for 200+ plus yards had a huge hand in the win, also.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Ok, Mrs. Brown we get it

Ok, Mrs. Brown we get it

Wow. Come up with that all on your own did you. If you actually have something worth saying, why don't you address what I said. Did Heck face the same issues on Friday as Brown did the last two weeks against two top ten defenses? Does the play action pass work better when we are running the ball so effectively? Any substance to add on your part, or just more nonsense?

 

[DaytonaHawk]

Wow. Come up with that all on your own did you. If you actually have something worth saying, why don't you address what I said. Did Heck face the same issues on Friday as Brown did the last two weeks against two top ten defenses? Does the play action pass work better when we are running the ball so effectively? Any substance to add on your part, or just more nonsense?

I could answer all your questions, but you are blind. I just want to pet your dog.

If you really want an answer, watch film. Hank has struggled with ball placement and confidence in down field throws. Watch ever throw from every game.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

I could answer all your questions, but you are blind. I just want to pet your dog.

If you really want an answer, watch film. Hank has struggled with ball placement and confidence in down field throws. Watch ever throw from every game.

I could answer all your questions, but you are blind. I just want to pet your dog.

If you really want an answer, watch film. Hank has struggled with ball placement and confidence in down field throws. Watch ever throw from every game.

Lolol.. Of course you didn't answer anything I said. Did Heck play against OSU or Michigans defense? When the game mattered. And its your stance that it doesn't matter if he did or not? Like if he had more pressure he would have been just as effective as he was against Washington where he had ZERO pressure and an effective run game? Maybe he would, and maybe he wouldn't. Your right, those things don't matter at all. I've never said that i'd have a problem with Heck going forward as the starter. Its the posters on here who think they've played under the same conditions. Here's the one thing that irks people. YOU don't get to decide. The guys who get paid to coach the team do, and I think they know way more then the internet posters do. Take it up with them.

 

[3-D_chess]

Does a back shoulder throw with 2 seconds left to win in front of 100k count as Moxie?

But when Heck did something similar (Z catch in tight coverage) against Washington it doesn't count.
Agenda much?

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

But when Heck did something similar against Washington it doesn't count.
Agenda much?

Lololol.. I'm sorry when did Heck have to make any throw under pressure against Washington where he had to make a game winner as the clock was running out? Did we watch a different game? Heck played great, and i've said that numerous times. He also had almost ZERO pressure, and a BIG lead early because we ran the ball down their throats most of the game. How is that the same situation?

 

[eyesofhawk]

Okay let’s be real, Heck didn’t get a fare shake. Hank always got the scripted plays. Heck got put out there with backups. I love Kirk, but I knew after his Kid’s day comments that Heck was not his pony. Hanks style of play will continually get you 8 man fronts. Heck pushes it down field. Washington never did sneak the safeties down into the box. Hank is a great team player and leader, but his field recognition and confidence makes him take the safe check down to often.

I've never heard of a qb competition that went into the season, not being a fair competition.

Scripted plays aren't any better than any other play. They are used 1st so the offense can see how the defense aligns against them. So if anything, Heck had the advantage of that information once he went in.

That's interesting that you knew after kids day. Because it was clear by everyone's comments that nobody knew at that time.

If Heck's not KF's style of pony, then how did he get on the team?

Hank's style of play will bring 8 man fronts? That's interesting. Because Michigan didn't load the box much.

Washington will continue to not sneak safties into the box, because that's not how they play D. They use a passive, 3 safety umbrella look.

And you must be at all the games to be able to comment on action taking place in the defensive backfield, that doesn't fit on the TV screen.

And how you've commented on Hank's confidence, I have no idea. It must have come from the same place that caused you to get every other thing in your post wrong.

Actually having a clue helps.

Support the team no matter who plays qb. This team doesn't need any part of a qb controversy amongst the fans and media

 

[3-D_chess]

Three TDs to three guys that didn't have anyone within 10 yds of them. Boy he REALLY had to zip those in there under pressure didn't he. It was a function of the plays called by Lester, and pounding them in the run game AND WAshingtons DB's were crap. I'm fine with Heck, but your pure nonsense that there's ANY correlation to the way the TEAM played against OSU, (and a 10x better defense) then what we saw last night is stupifying.

Lord, you and the HIVE-MIND crowd have all agreed on which hill you're gonna die on.

"3-3 Washington sucks and Hank would've put up 41 points on that joke of a team"

Iowa State is 3-3 and Hank put up a whopping 16 points, and ISU will likely finish with the same record as Washington.

So ... no. Hank had his chance to bury a 3-3 team and didn't do it. And your nanny-personality attacks are likely the product of losing debates in the real world.

Your signature go-to: "lolol"
The vast majority of normals who see that chestnut assume the author has a Hello Kitty sticker on their lunch box.