Firing Greg makes zero financial sense.

[Caliknight]

Recall all those "Rutgers 1000" types that hated football? Those types are still out there waiting to stage a zombie attack and local NY/NJ media usually back them. "Rutgers is wasting millions of dollars and don't know what they are doing! .. Rutgers Adrift - Reaches for Straws!" That can go on for a few months. Any new coach prospect might think "Dang do I really want to go there?" Will 2 months of Kirk temping make things better? Who fills in if Kirk doesn't want job? Shaw, Brock, Vallone? What if they do good and people want to keep them. Many things can go off the rails when you pull the rug. Do research and be ready to strike as the chapter closes and it all feels like a new chapter. End the old later for the new. Don't pull the rug and watch the pots and pans come clanging down in a racket with the kids crying and media police making wellness checks.

Every school has those woke wackjobs. Just win and they will go back into their holes. They just can’t accept no one wants to see them do math.

 

[RUfan1977]

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Big Ten median on ticket sales is around $20 million. Just getting ticket sales to a normal B1G level would be more than enough to replace the football coaching regime.

You might want to check on stadium size before you start thinking about doubling ticket sales. Rutgers stadium is nowhere near as big as other Big Ten stadiums.

 

[Shelby65]

We don't get millions in donations. Our fan base is too small and doesn't give. We're not PSU and LSU.

It makes zero financial sense to fire him. We won't get a payout.

And we will fire him and explode the deficit to take a flyer on a coach to at best go 7-5 and back to the pinstripe bowl in a few years. We're not winning the big ten with our NIL.

No one’s saying we can win the big10 except for the gruftrrBut we should occasionally beat a second tier team and the fraud hasn’t ever. Not Iowa, not Nebraska, not Wisconsin. Instead he beats an all-time-terrible Purdue team on a fluke play in the last moment and is so emotional crying tears of exuberance you’d think he just learned his entire family survived a plane crash.

We have a terrible coach who keeps his job only because the university doesn’t even aspire to football mediocrity.

 

[e5fdny]

Recall all those "Rutgers 1000" types that hated football? Those types are still out there waiting to stage a zombie attack and local NY/NJ media usually back them. "Rutgers is wasting millions of dollars and don't know what they are doing! .. Rutgers Adrift - Reaches for Straws!" That can go on for a few months. Any new coach prospect might think "Dang do I really want to go there?" Will 2 months of Kirk temping make things better? Who fills in if Kirk doesn't want job? Shaw, Brock, Vallone? What if they do good and people want to keep them. Many things can go off the rails when you pull the rug. Do research and be ready to strike as the chapter closes and it all feels like a new chapter. End the old later for the new. Don't pull the rug and watch the pots and pans come clanging down in a racket with the kids crying and media police making wellness checks.

Every school has those woke wackjobs. Just win and they will go back into their holes. They just can’t accept no one wants to see them do math.

Seriously.

All the next guy, whoever it is, has to do is win one extra game and get to 8-4.

- best record yet in the B1G
- over .500 in conference play, also a first
- probably a better bowl game/location/date/opponent

All things that are marketable and can be used to sell a progress message for the Program.

It also shows it wasn’t one guy who could do it here.

 

[Fat Koko]

You might want to check on stadium size before you start thinking about doubling ticket sales. Rutgers stadium is nowhere near as big as other Big Ten stadiums.

The seating capacity of Oregon and Rutgers stadiums are close to the same - low 50,000s. Oregon does 3x the ticket sales. Why? Oregon football is the only game in town, the team has had a winning record 19 out of 20 seasons, and Oregon jams in thousands of standing-room-only ticket buyers.

Indiana did 40% higher ticket sales than Rutgers with a similar size stadium and that was before Cignetti.

 

[Knight Shift]

You might want to check on stadium size before you start thinking about doubling ticket sales. Rutgers stadium is nowhere near as big as other Big Ten stadiums.

SHI-52,454

Oregon: 54,000-Revenue $30.5M

 

[T2Kplus20]

RU has a $5B+ annual budget. This buyout is a rounding error of a rounding error. If Tate wants him gone, money isn't the issue.

 

[e5fdny]

MBB would definitely need to be the primary focus, but it shouldn’t cost that much to make other sports excel which would be important for Rutgers overall image and I am not arguing that long term success of the football program isn’t critical.

I’d agree with that considering how little was given before.

When you think about it, all of the other sports with the exception of WVolleyball, have had some sort of success without the required support.

Will be nice to see how a better funded overall Athletic program shows results in the Olympic sports.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Slurp slurp slurp

 

[Caliknight]

I’d agree with that considering how little was given before.

When you think about it, all of the other sports with the exception of WVolleyball, has had some sort of success without the required support.

Will be nice to see how a better funded overall Athletic program shows results in the Olympic sports.

It’s like that across the board at Rutgers. We’ve gotten more funding but we are last in the conference in NIL/scholarships in lacrosse. It wouldn’t take much to make a huge difference. Fortunately Keli views lacrosse as a sport we can win big in and she’s not wrong.

The program competes and beats programs with far more resources. Getting even close will make a massive difference. I’m sure other sports have that same mindset.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

No one’s saying we can win the big10 except for the gruftrrBut we should occasionally beat a second tier team and the fraud hasn’t ever. Not Iowa, not Nebraska, not Wisconsin. Instead he beats an all-time-terrible Purdue team on a fluke play in the last moment and is so emotional crying tears of exuberance you’d think he just learned his entire family survived a plane crash.

We have a terrible coach who keeps his job only because the university doesn’t even aspire to football mediocrity.

As usual, You conveniently overlook that Iowa, Wisconsin, and Nebraska bring in a ton more money than Rutgers does, and this funds better players and better facilities. The revenue and donation advantage has accrued over generations.

• Iowas stadium capacity is 69,250
• Nebraskas stadium capacity is 85,458
• Wisconsin’s stadium capacity is 76,057
• Rutgers Stadium capacity is 52,454, though we can squeeze in 54K on a good day, which is rare these days

 

[e5fdny]

No one’s saying we can win the big10 except for the grifter. But we should occasionally beat a second tier team and the fraud hasn’t ever. Not Iowa, not Nebraska, not Wisconsin. Instead he beats an all-time-terrible Purdue team on a fluke play in the last moment and is so emotional crying tears of exuberance you’d think he just learned his entire family survived a plane crash.

We have a terrible coach who keeps his job only because the university doesn’t even aspire to football mediocrity.

As usual, You conveniently overlook that Iowa, Wisconsin, and Nebraska bring in a ton more money than Rutgers does, and this funds better players and better facilities. The revenue and donation advantage has accrued over generations.

• Iowas stadium capacity is 69,250
• Nebraskas stadium capacity is 85,458
• Wisconsin’s stadium capacity is 76,057
• Rutgers Stadium capacity is 52,454, though we can squeeze in 54K on a good day, which is rare these days

Asked and Answered…

 

[Jerseylegends]

You can't live your life in fear of the bad things that might happen. Especially when bad things are already happening in your current situation. Fire this man...

 

[Shelby65]

You can't live your life in fear of the bad things that might happen. Especially when bad things are already happening in your current situation. Fire this man...

Nails it. Failing coaches get fired. They all have self-serving excuses until the end, but only here is the coach’s failure tolerated for so long.

It’s big time football. Act like it. Fire him yesterday. It’s beyond ridiculous to defend him and his endless excuse list and “bright future” bs.

His 6+ year conference winning percentage is pathetic and cause for firing on its own…and then also UMass and BC in top of that . JFC it can’t be any more obvious that 2.0 is a hot garbage failure whose forced retirement shouldn’t be delayed another second.

 

[RU0917]

You can't live your life in fear of the bad things that might happen. Especially when bad things are already happening in your current situation. Fire this man...

Yeah this is where I am. I'd be wary of making a change if GS were still putting up competitive/bowl seasons, but to paraphrase the man himself, the arrow's pointing down.

 

[MADHAT1]

A Schiano must go article I can agree with

>Where are the wealthy donors going to come from for Rutgers? Who knows, but it is clear that Schiano did not bring in a coaching staff capable of doing the job right, despite his belief. And he did not build a team in the offseason capable of competing in the Big Ten — and probably not in other smaller conferences either.

Step one for Rutgers, a new head coach needs to be hired next season.<



https://www.onthebanks.com/rutgers-...stadium-in-rout-what-does-it-mean-for-rutgers

 

[Fat Koko]

A Schiano must go article I can agree with

>Where are the wealthy donors going to come from for Rutgers? Who knows, but it is clear that Schiano did not bring in a coaching staff capable of doing the job right, despite his belief. And he did not build a team in the offseason capable of competing in the Big Ten — and probably not in other smaller conferences either.

Step one for Rutgers, a new head coach needs to be hired next season.<



https://www.onthebanks.com/rutgers-...stadium-in-rout-what-does-it-mean-for-rutgers

Below are donation figures for B1G athletic departments, not football specifically, because schools allocate donation dollars to sports or non-sport-specific differently.

Rutgers has not made much progress with 2.0. The gap between Rutgers and the conference median is running $30 million per year. These numbers pre-date Keli.

How does Rutgers eliminate this gap? I don't have ideas. Maybe Rutgers gets to UCLA and Maryland levels but that won't be enough to be a game changer for Rutgers athletics.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

It’s already absurd that it’s Monday afternoon and Schiano is still here.

 

[RCBeta]

SHI-52,454

Oregon: 54,000-Revenue $30.5M

The Nike and other Corporate Suites/Box Seats cost plenty.

 

[Knight Shift]

A Schiano must go article I can agree with

>Where are the wealthy donors going to come from for Rutgers? Who knows, but it is clear that Schiano did not bring in a coaching staff capable of doing the job right, despite his belief. And he did not build a team in the offseason capable of competing in the Big Ten — and probably not in other smaller conferences either.

Step one for Rutgers, a new head coach needs to be hired next season.<



https://www.onthebanks.com/rutgers-...stadium-in-rout-what-does-it-mean-for-rutgers

In year seven under Greg Schiano, Rutgers is losing games by 30+ and is 1-4 with teams like UMass and Boston College on the schedule.

but it is clear that Schiano did not bring in a coaching staff capable of doing the job right, despite his belief. And he did not build a team in the offseason capable of competing in the Big Ten — and probably not in other smaller conferences either

 

[patk89]

During most of the last 30 years, beating BC would be a crowning moment for a season. Now it is looked at like a bad loss. Cuse beat us like a drum for 30 years as well. Bottom line, we have advanced in the hierarchy of college football simply by GS getting us invited to the B1G. Has his time passed? Kind of looks like it. But I enjoy his players throwing a TD pass in the NFL while another goes over 100 yards. I remember the days when there was 1 RU player in the NFL, period.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

During most of the last 30 years, beating BC would be a crowning moment for a season. Now it is looked at like a bad loss. Cuse beat us like a drum for 30 years as well. Bottom line, we have advanced in the hierarchy of college football simply by GS getting us invited to the B1G. Has his time passed? Kind of looks like it. But I enjoy his players throwing a TD pass in the NFL while another goes over 100 yards. I remember the days when there was 1 RU player in the NFL, period.

The NY Media market got us invited into the BIG, nothing else.

 

[mdk02]

The NY Media market got us invited into the BIG, nothing else.

And without the Louisville game they never would have gotten the NY Media market.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

And without the Louisville game they never would have gotten the NY Media market.

It had nothing to do with that game. Adding us to the Big 10 network gave them NYC carriage fees on cable, whether or not anyone was watching.

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

This is just sad the more you read this stuff for a 2-3 win season.

 

[newell138]

Firing Greg makes zero financial sense.

We would have to pay $25 million to him and his staff to go away plus pay to hire a new staff.

The athletic department burned $78 mil
last year and has lost half a billion since joining big ten.

NJ and many towns are facing huge deficits and struggling in the face of rising costs.

We will spend all of this for the opportunity to take a flyer on a new coach with the hope they can go 6-6 or so at best with limited NIL.

Our issue is mostly NIL not coaching.

The opportunity cost of "missed revenue" is minimal and Rutgers atheithic donors have a history of not giving.

OK Mrs Schiano,

 

[Caliknight]

And without the Louisville game they never would have gotten the NY Media market.

We have the media market because that’s where Rutgers lives. The only P4 conference team sitting in it.

 

[eddynyse]

Anyone actually thinking our fans will pony up more cash if Schiano gets canned is totally delusional. Look at what just happened with hoops. we literally had Harper and Ace, two top-five lottery picks on the floor together, and people still wouldn't open their wallets to buy a decent supporting cast. We missed the damn tournament because the NIL pot was bone dry.
Zinn has to be smarter than that. We’re Rutgers, not LSU. This fanbase is either cheap, broke, or stuck in 2006 thinking passion pays the bills. She didn't hire Greg, so it’s not her mess, but if she fires him without having the buyout and NIL checks already cleared in the bank, that’s on her.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

Anyone actually thinking our fans will pony up more cash if Schiano gets canned is totally delusional. Look at what just happened with hoops. we literally had Harper and Ace, two top-five lottery picks on the floor together, and people still wouldn't open their wallets to buy a decent supporting cast. We missed the damn tournament because the NIL pot was bone dry.
Zinn has to be smarter than that. We’re Rutgers, not LSU. This fanbase is either cheap, broke, or stuck in 2006 thinking passion pays the bills. She didn't hire Greg, so it’s not her mess, but if she fires him without having the buyout and NIL checks already cleared in the bank, that’s on her.

Indiana, UCLA and Virginia Tech all suffered from low NIL support, and were able to completely change the trajectory by firing their coaches. We need to do the same.

 

[Caliknight]

Anyone actually thinking our fans will pony up more cash if Schiano gets canned is totally delusional. Look at what just happened with hoops. we literally had Harper and Ace, two top-five lottery picks on the floor together, and people still wouldn't open their wallets to buy a decent supporting cast. We missed the damn tournament because the NIL pot was bone dry.
Zinn has to be smarter than that. We’re Rutgers, not LSU. This fanbase is either cheap, broke, or stuck in 2006 thinking passion pays the bills. She didn't hire Greg, so it’s not her mess, but if she fires him without having the buyout and NIL checks already cleared in the bank, that’s on her.

Our fanbase obviously needs to donate more but the NIL mechanics are driven by almost exclusively the athletic department itself. We had no NIL then because the AD (Hobbs) didn’t know what he was doing in that space. So he did nothing.