Rocco Becht is playing injured.

[Rocco3]

Watching the first half did remind me to take my blood pressure medicine

I almost considered doubling up.

 

[Rocco3]

You're all going to have to learn to embrace Becht because he's going to likely be the QB the rest of the year
Whether you like it or not if MC didn't consider benching him against NW he probably won't do it this year.

It was reported the scouts that were there almost specifically to see Becht left at the half. The podcaster who rode the elevator with them said (paraphrasing) they had seen enough and it was bad.

 

[KingLando]

It was reported the scouts that were there almost specifically to see Becht left at the half. The podcaster who rode the elevator with them said (paraphrasing) they had seen enough and it was bad.

It was bad...I'm questioning whether or not any scout was sent just to watch Rocco though. That seems like a massive waste of time/money for someone who was never a day 1 or 2 pick. Hopefully they were with the Bears and made the quick trip if true lol

 

[Big_O]

I thought about this some more. Maybe he has a mental injury or at least an injured self esteem. Because for someone who is supposed to be an experienced expert in running this offense, he certainly doesn’t seem to know what he is doing.

 

[Nitt1300]

It's not a mystery. These guys just aren't very good.

 

[PSUFTG]

It was reported the scouts that were there almost specifically to see Becht left at the half. The podcaster who rode the elevator with them said (paraphrasing) they had seen enough and it was bad.

I can't imagine why anyone was there to see Becht - I assume those guys do go overboard though on doing their due diligence.


There are plenty of effective college QBs who are absolute non-prospects wrt the NFL. So it is not a condemnation of Becht, but there is zero opportunity for Becht in the NFL, and that is a conclusion that could have been reached 1 year or 2 years ago.
It is great that he played for years at ISU and helped them win games - truly. And now he gets to play on a bigger stage. That used to be, and in some cases still is, a dream come true for a ballplayer. But his football career is done whan Penn State's season concludes this year.

 

[KingLando]

Let's also remember this about Becht...
These boards have basically hated every QB we've had since Collins with the possible exception of Trace (which was smoke and mirrors because of Saquon, Gesicki and Godwin). People here still act as though Beau would have been better than Allar despite him being run off Mizzou and will likely be pushed out at UVa after this year. People bashed Clifford for years. Hack was hated despite staying. McMoxie was loved then hated. Morelli was hated for not living up to the hype. Clark and MRob were probably the only others since 2000 that were liked at all.
Collins is the only Penn State QB that has had real success in the NFL since Blackledge. He hasn't been here in over 30 years.
It's just common for posters to attack the QB--it's easy. Becht has been awful for 2 games but we've had worse.

 

[PSUFTG]

It's not a mystery. These guys just aren't very good.

LOL

Or maybe - in addition to Becht - all of the DTs on the roster are playing hurt....
And the entire offensive line....
And all the LBers sans Rojas....
And all the Safeties....
And all the WRs
And the Punter - hell, maybe even lay that on the Kicker, who has missed, IIR twice as many FGs as all of last year.

But the CBs have been healthy! LOL

Or maybe, just maybe, you're right.
All these backups and 2nd/3rd tier transfers from lower-level programs are not all "diamonds in the rough" being coached up to Excellence at the Highest Level

 

[MtNittany]

Let's also remember this about Becht...
These boards have basically hated every QB we've had since Collins with the possible exception of Trace (which was smoke and mirrors because of Saquon, Gesicki and Godwin). People here still act as though Beau would have been better than Allar despite him being run off Mizzou and will likely be pushed out at UVa after this year. People bashed Clifford for years. Hack was hated despite staying. McMoxie was loved then hated. Morelli was hated for not living up to the hype. Clark and MRob were probably the only others since 2000 that were liked at all.
Collins is the only Penn State QB that has had real success in the NFL since Blackledge. He hasn't been here in over 30 years.
It's just common for posters to attack the QB--it's easy. Becht has been awful for 2 games but we've had worse.

Fans liked him:

 

[KingLando]

Fans liked him:

I liked him--but I feel like everyone turned on him in 2003 & 2004--at least 2004
Losing seems to do that

 

[JVP_Yahweh]

That oblique is clearly not well. He's playing hurt. I'm not making excuses, his play has been awful, but he can't drive the football. It's obvious.

It's time for Manske. People ask what Joe would do: Every time Joe had a team that was failing with upper classmen, he played the kids at mid season.

1970: Hufnagel for Cooper
1976: Fusina for Andress
1980: Blackledge for Hofstettler
1984: Shaffer for Strang
1988: Sacca for Lonergan
1993: Collins for J. Sacca
2001: Mills for Seneca
2010: McGloin for Bolton

The overall talent (not just QB) just doesn't seem to be there. We'll see where they end up at the end of the season but 5-6 losses with no IU, OSU or Oregon on the schedule and a pathetic non-conf schedule would be a considered a failure

 

[PSUFTG]

The overall talent (not just QB) just doesn't seem to be there. We'll see where they end up at the end of the season but 5-6 losses with no IU, OSU or Oregon on the schedule and a pathetic non-conf schedule would be a considered a failure collapse

FIFY

 

[Bvillebaron]

That oblique is clearly not well. He's playing hurt. I'm not making excuses, his play has been awful, but he can't drive the football. It's obvious.

It's time for Manske. People ask what Joe would do: Every time Joe had a team that was failing with upper classmen, he played the kids at mid season.

1970: Hufnagel for Cooper
1976: Fusina for Andress
1980: Blackledge for Hofstettler
1984: Shaffer for Strang
1988: Sacca for Lonergan
1993: Collins for J. Sacca
2001: Mills for Seneca
2010: McGloin for Bolton

Yes you are making excuses. Did he re-injure his oblique this fall because he sure as hell would have long recovered from the one he supposedly had last year at ISU.

 

[Bvillebaron]

A couple points:
— I don’t ever recall Jeff Hostetler starting. (Glad to be proven wrong)
— Tony Sacca got the job due to Tom Bill being injured and stupid.
— Mcgloin I believe was ahead of Bolton age and class standing.

But I agree that if we aren’t yet at Manske-time, we are close.

My recollection is that Hostetter and Blackledge alternated for a game or two but could be wrong.

 

[Bvillebaron]

It was replacement of a starter however: Jeff started vs The Aggies and then against Nebraska in 1980. He was replaced by Todd at Mizzou. Look it up.

And stop nit picking. My point is clearly made and correct.

Your point is a flat out excuse for poor performance.

 

[Bvillebaron]

I love how our fan base pretends that nothing happened prior to them coming to Penn State matters
He's been horrible for 2 games...should have been benched last night. He's obviously not right mentally right now and I agree it's unlikely an injury.
But he's a good QB...just isn't playing like it right now.

Because I don’t give a bleep what he did before he got here. Becht has been flat out bad the last 2 games and looked overwhelmed at times.

 

[Bvillebaron]

LOL

Denial is a POWERFUL drug.

He just isn't good.
I spoke (probably kinda' often) about how the incredibly pimped-up Becht (pimped up the the fans, and the "sports journalists" who profit from the pimping up) was never more than "mid"

If I was in any way incorrect, it was that I was - at least slightly - overrating him.

It is what it is - not the kids' fault.

The fact that he was brought in to displace a kid who is - already - a significantly better QB with much more upside (and remaining eligibility) was a real knucklehead move. I can UNDERSTAND what motivated the decision, I really can. But that doesn't negate the fact that it has had a negative impact.

in spades.

 

[Bvillebaron]

LOL

Or maybe - in addition to Becht - all of the DTs on the roster are playing hurt....
And the entire offensive line....
And all the LBers sans Rojas....
And all the Safeties....
And all the WRs
And the Punter - hell, maybe even lay that on the Kicker, who has missed, IIR twice as many FGs as all of last year.

But the CBs have been healthy! LOL

Or maybe, just maybe, you're right.
All these backups and 2nd/3rd tier transfers from lower-level programs are not all "diamonds in the rough" being coached up to Excellence at the Highest Level

You are on a roll and spot on.

 

[KingLando]

Because I don’t give a bleep what he did before he got here. Becht has been flat out bad the last 2 games and looked overwhelmed at times.

And this is great...you're acknowledging exactly what I'm claiming is the problem. Thank you.

 

[MtNittany]

Because I don’t give a bleep what he did before he got here. Becht has been flat out bad the last 2 games and looked overwhelmed at times.

For someone that's injured, some his passes seem to zip about 75 mph right behind receivers.

 

[Psumatt85]

The overall talent (not just QB) just doesn't seem to be there. We'll see where they end up at the end of the season but 5-6 losses with no IU, OSU or Oregon on the schedule and a pathetic non-conf schedule would be a considered a failure

I think Campbell is injured, and I know Pat Kraft is as well

 

[bdgan]

A complimentary running game would be just what the doctor ordered.

But we don't have that. Our best chance is to spread the defense and use the pass to set up the run.

 

[taryn]

The overall talent (not just QB) just doesn't seem to be there. We'll see where they end up at the end of the season but 5-6 losses with no IU, OSU or Oregon on the schedule and a pathetic non-conf schedule would be a considered a failure

get use to my friend,more to come next year

 

[retsio]

And this is great...you're acknowledging exactly what I'm claiming is the problem. Thank you.

More than at times - just overall bad, overwhelmed, not performing -- welcome to the Big 10

 

[KingLando]

More than at times - just overall bad, overwhelmed, not performing -- welcome to the Big 10

The "Welcome to the Big 10" part is the problem. You all act like lower level QB never have success moving up a level.
You're probably real confused how guys like Josh Allen, Joe Flacco, Big Ben, etc
How many Big Ten QBs do you think are currently starting in the NFL?

 

[Nitt1300]

The "Welcome to the Big 10" part is the problem. You all act like lower level QB never have success moving up a level.
You're probably real confused how guys like Josh Allen, Joe Flacco, Big Ben, etc
How many Big Ten QBs do you think are currently starting in the NFL?

How many of those guys are under 6'?

 

[KingLando]

How many of those guys are under 6'?

Allegedly he's 6'1" but he doesn't have to be on their level
Mendoza came from the ACC/Cal and won a title. It doesn't matter where the guys come from.
Kurtis Rourke came from the MAC and had success
Rocco has been horrible--why people don't comprehend that a QB like Rocco needs a legit #1 to be successful is crazy to me. See Iowa State in 2014 with 2 NFL WRs.

 

[Efejle]

I liked him--but I feel like everyone turned on him in 2003 & 2004--at least 2004
Losing seems to do that

He never healed after being injured at Wisconsin in ,2002, just like Becht

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

The overall talent (not just QB) just doesn't seem to be there. We'll see where they end up at the end of the season but 5-6 losses with no IU, OSU or Oregon on the schedule and a pathetic non-conf schedule would be a considered a failure

5-6 losses??? We're going to be lucky to win 1 Conference game, let alone 3 or 4. This team was so far from competitive against a middling b1g team this past Friday it's ridiculous. Complete pie-in-the-sky to believe this team is qualifying for the postseason.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

How many of those guys are under 6'?

I blame it on Franklin.