FC/OT: What will the 'Save College Sports Act' actually do?

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Seems like after some threats from POTUS, the B1G and SEC are on board. I assume there will be some pushback from various legislators, and a lot of this seems very difficult to enforce, but the highlights are:

- Limits conference expansion (for the Power 4) to 19 teams and does not allow teams who have been in a conference for five years to move to another without first operating as an independent for five years. It also prevents the creation of a 'Super League'.

- Transfer restrictions would return in the form of a one time no penalty transfer per player, as well as unlimited graduate transfers. Subsequent transfers would require sitting out a year. Also, players would be allowed to transfer in the event of a new head coach hiring or misconduct related circumstance.

- Increased revenue sharing and 'hard' spending cap:

The money opened up for athletes by the House v. NCAA settlement (around $21 million this year) would increase by way of a new $22.5 million “retention fund” limit to be used on a school’s current players, plus another $5 million capped pool exclusively for women’s sports and nonrevenue sports, totaling nearly $50 million per year.

In an attempt to close spending loopholes and to create a harder cap, the bill also adopts the House settlement’s definition of an “associated entity” and requires school multimedia rights holders and third parties to provide signed certification that a school is not the source of NIL compensation to the athlete. This was the final change that got the SEC and Big Ten on board.

The bill also preempts the various state laws on NIL, eligibility and transfers that had complicated the NCAA’s pursuit of a national standard for a level playing field.


- 'Lane Kiffin' rule - prevents coaches from performing head coaching duties at a new school until their current school's season concludes. This isn't just for HC's taking a new job; it's any college coach who accepts a HC position at a new school - so, OC's and DC's are in the same boat.

- Caps agent fees to 5% of NIL deals and requires agents to register with a state before representing an athlete. Also maintains a database of agents and allows the NCAA to certify/decertify them.

Some good stuff here (mostly with transfer rules and agent limitations); no idea how this isn't challenged in court the first time a HC takes another job and wants to leave. Thoughts?
 
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Seems like after some threats from POTUS, the B1G and SEC are on board. I assume there will be some pushback from various legislators, and a lot of this seems very difficult to enforce, but the highlights are:

- Limits conference expansion (for the Power 4) to 19 teams and does not allow teams who have been in a conference for five years to move to another without first operating as an independent for five years. It also prevents the creation of a 'Super League'.

- Transfer restrictions would return in the form of a one time no penalty transfer per player, as well as unlimited graduate transfers. Subsequent transfers would require sitting out a year. Also, players would be allowed to transfer in the event of a new head coach hiring or misconduct related circumstance.

- Increased revenue sharing and 'hard' spending cap:

The money opened up for athletes by the House v. NCAA settlement (around $21 million this year) would increase by way of a new $22.5 million “retention fund” limit to be used on a school’s current players, plus another $5 million capped pool exclusively for women’s sports and nonrevenue sports, totaling nearly $50 million per year.

In an attempt to close spending loopholes and to create a harder cap, the bill also adopts the House settlement’s definition of an “associated entity” and requires school multimedia rights holders and third parties to provide signed certification that a school is not the source of NIL compensation to the athlete. This was the final change that got the SEC and Big Ten on board.

The bill also preempts the various state laws on NIL, eligibility and transfers that had complicated the NCAA’s pursuit of a national standard for a level playing field.


- 'Lane Kiffin' rule - prevents coaches from performing head coaching duties at a new school until their current school's season concludes. This isn't just for HC's taking a new job; it's any college coach who accepts a HC position at a new school - so, OC's and DC's are in the same boat.

- Caps agent fees to 5% of NIL deals and requires agents to register with a state before representing an athlete. Also maintains a database of agents and allows the NCAA to certify/decertify them.

Some good stuff here (mostly with transfer rules and agent limitations); no idea how this isn't challenged in court the first time a HC takes another job and wants to leave. Thoughts?
I don't like the 2nd paragraph. They are taking the control of movement away from the universities.
It could lead to the Power 4 conferences leaving the NCAA and starting their own organization.
 
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I don't like the 2nd paragraph. They are taking the control of movement away from the universities.
It could lead to the Power 4 conferences leaving the NCAA and starting their own organization.

Wouldn't that be a 'Super League' that this bill would supposedly prevent? Genuinely asking....
 

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Wouldn't that be a 'Super League' that this bill would supposedly prevent? Genuinely asking....
I'm nott a lawyer but I 'm wondering if this only applies to teams under the NCAA. If they separate from the NCAA, could they then form a super keague?
 

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- 'Lane Kiffin' rule - prevents coaches from performing head coaching duties at a new school until their current school's season concludes. This isn't just for HC's taking a new job; it's any college coach who accepts a HC position at a new school - so, OC's and DC's are in the same boat.
Regarding that Lane Kiffin rule, I'm not sure why it was given that nickname. The recent trend for prominent schools desiring to make a head coaching change is to hire the new head coach in late November at the latest, so that he can get busy recruiting players in advance of the early National Signing Day, which is in early to mid December. I'm no fan of Lane Kiffin, but this trend is certainly not limited to him.

I have to assume that the definition of "coaching duties" at the new school would include recruiting, because that is the primary thing these schools are looking at when making an early hire.
 

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I'm glad to hear that our "leaders" have nothing more important to do
I beg to differ; in my opinion, this is EXACTLY what we want Congress, etc. spending their time on. All other Congressional activities consist of graft, corruption, or further eroding the liberties of we the people.
 
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There’s a fairly significant barrier to entry for the Super League initiative (or so I seem to recall from this show).

Great podcast; really nailed it wrt the value of college football compared to the NFL minor leagues. As in there simply isn’t a market for a minor league system. Good points too with regard to capitulating to the SEC and B1G; why bother? They can F off and see what the alternative looks like - and my guess is not good.
 

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Seems like after some threats from POTUS, the B1G and SEC are on board. I assume there will be some pushback from various legislators, and a lot of this seems very difficult to enforce, but the highlights are:

- Limits conference expansion (for the Power 4) to 19 teams and does not allow teams who have been in a conference for five years to move to another without first operating as an independent for five years. It also prevents the creation of a 'Super League'.

- Transfer restrictions would return in the form of a one time no penalty transfer per player, as well as unlimited graduate transfers. Subsequent transfers would require sitting out a year. Also, players would be allowed to transfer in the event of a new head coach hiring or misconduct related circumstance.

- Increased revenue sharing and 'hard' spending cap:

The money opened up for athletes by the House v. NCAA settlement (around $21 million this year) would increase by way of a new $22.5 million “retention fund” limit to be used on a school’s current players, plus another $5 million capped pool exclusively for women’s sports and nonrevenue sports, totaling nearly $50 million per year.

In an attempt to close spending loopholes and to create a harder cap, the bill also adopts the House settlement’s definition of an “associated entity” and requires school multimedia rights holders and third parties to provide signed certification that a school is not the source of NIL compensation to the athlete. This was the final change that got the SEC and Big Ten on board.

The bill also preempts the various state laws on NIL, eligibility and transfers that had complicated the NCAA’s pursuit of a national standard for a level playing field.


- 'Lane Kiffin' rule - prevents coaches from performing head coaching duties at a new school until their current school's season concludes. This isn't just for HC's taking a new job; it's any college coach who accepts a HC position at a new school - so, OC's and DC's are in the same boat.

- Caps agent fees to 5% of NIL deals and requires agents to register with a state before representing an athlete. Also maintains a database of agents and allows the NCAA to certify/decertify them.

Some good stuff here (mostly with transfer rules and agent limitations); no idea how this isn't challenged in court the first time a HC takes another job and wants to leave. Thoughts?
I come to a sports board to "get away" from politics!!!!!!! Stop this!

(Hope my good buddy Obliviax is reading this!)
 

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I come to a sports board to "get away" from politics!!!!!!! Stop this!

(Hope my good buddy Obliviax is reading this!)
Hey Obli!
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What the Bill - as written - does:

This Bill actually limits (reduces) payments to athletes (at least the top end guys).

It will also set - for all intents and purposes - a floor (that is higher than the current floor). It is not called a floor, of course, but that is what it is.
The problem with that is that it will kill off those programs (a LOT of programs) that can't afford the "floor", and therefore can't compete. Which will, in the end, REDUCE opportunities for players to make $$$ (fewer schools competing at the highest level)

And THAT, dear friends, is why this thing passed through the Senate - with the huge urging from the likes of the Big Ten and SEC.
The SEC and Big Ten - and YOU CAN TAKE THIS TO THE BANK 100%, folks whose ONLY GOAL in this whole years-long fiasco was to kill off the competition (at the expense of the good of the sport) and form their de-facto "super league" (which the bill says - laughably enough - that they are preventing LOL) - and thereby have all the major media revenue pies to themselves.
Because they are short-sighted, unwise, gluttonous pigs.

That is - as Paul Harvey would have said - "The rest of the story".

If it passes the House more-or-less intact, that die will be cast. And college sports as they have been known for the better part of a century - even if there is even a sliver of a gasp of life remaining in it - will be officially terminated.

Some will consider that a good thing, and to each their own wrt those opinions (And maybe there are good arguments for killing it in order to feed the insatiable greed and egos of the powers-that-be. IDK) - but my guess is that most of those folks won't even know WTF they are seeing go down.

The bottom line is that the same greedy, unwise, self-serving jackwagons who have been screwing up college sports for decades will remain at the wheel. Until they pump the last dollar, shekel, penny, and pound out of it.
That is the kind characterization.
 
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What the Bill - as written - does:

This Bill actually limits (reduces) payments to athletes (at least the top end guys).

It will also set - for all intents and purposes - a floor (that is higher than the current floor). It is not called a floor, of course, but that is what it is.
The problem with that is that it will kill off those programs (a LOT of programs) that can't afford the "floor", and therefore can't compete. Which will, in the end, REDUCE opportunities for players to make $$$ (fewer schools competing at the highest level)

And THAT, dear friends, is why this thing passed through the Senate - with the huge urging from the likes of the Big Ten and SEC.
The SEC and Big Ten - and YOU CAN TAKE THIS TO THE BANK 100%, folks whose ONLY GOAL in this whole years-long fiasco was to kill off the competition (at the expense of the good of the sport) and form their de-facto "super league" (which the bill says - laughably enough - that they are preventing LOL) - and thereby have all the major media revenue pies to themselves.
Because they are short-sighted, unwise, gluttonous pigs.

That is - as Paul Harvey would have said - "The rest of the story".

If it passes the House more-or-less intact, that die will be cast. And college sports as they have been known for the better part of a century - even if there is even a sliver of a gasp of life remaining in it - will be officially terminated.

Some will consider that a good thing, and to each their own wrt those opinions (And maybe there are good arguments for killing it in order to feed the insatiable greed and egos of the powers-that-be. IDK) - but my guess is that most of those folks won't even know WTF they are seeing go down.

The bottom line is that the same greedy, stupid, self-serving ******** who have been f$$$ing up college sports for decades will remain at the wheel - f$$$ing the corpse until it rots. Until they pump the last dollar, shekel, penny, and pound out of it.
That is the kind characterization.

Saving college sports is just an act.

😞
 

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What the Bill - as written - does:

This Bill actually limits (reduces) payments to athletes (at least the top end guys).

It will also set - for all intents and purposes - a floor (that is higher than the current floor). It is not called a floor, of course, but that is what it is.
The problem with that is that it will kill off those programs (a LOT of programs) that can't afford the "floor", and therefore can't compete. Which will, in the end, REDUCE opportunities for players to make $$$ (fewer schools competing at the highest level)

And THAT, dear friends, is why this thing passed through the Senate - with the huge urging from the likes of the Big Ten and SEC.
The SEC and Big Ten - and YOU CAN TAKE THIS TO THE BANK 100%, folks whose ONLY GOAL in this whole years-long fiasco was to kill off the competition (at the expense of the good of the sport) and form their de-facto "super league" (which the bill says - laughably enough - that they are preventing LOL) - and thereby have all the major media revenue pies to themselves.
Because they are short-sighted, unwise, gluttonous pigs.

That is - as Paul Harvey would have said - "The rest of the story".

If it passes the House more-or-less intact, that die will be cast. And college sports as they have been known for the better part of a century - even if there is even a sliver of a gasp of life remaining in it - will be officially terminated.

Some will consider that a good thing, and to each their own wrt those opinions (And maybe there are good arguments for killing it in order to feed the insatiable greed and egos of the powers-that-be. IDK) - but my guess is that most of those folks won't even know WTF they are seeing go down.

The bottom line is that the same greedy, unwise, self-serving jackwagons who have been screwing up college sports for decades will remain at the wheel. Until they pump the last dollar, shekel, penny, and pound out of it.
That is the kind characterization.

What would be your solution to prevent the current system from imploding upon itself?
 

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Big issue for many in the House is the mandatory time limit clause when wanting to switch conferences. You can see how this would be an issue for FSU and Clemson fans…believe they reduced, but didn’t eliminate the waiting period.
 

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What would be your solution to prevent the current system from imploding upon itself?
My goodness, 90% of this is simple - and, adding insult to injury, the NCAA (and its members) were handed a gold-plated solution. And pissed it away. They could get it back if they wanted to - if they had the sense to - but that is something that no one should be optimistic about (given the history)

In June of 2025 a judge ruled that "student-athletes" were entitled to "revenue sharing".
Not only that, she went a step further and said HOW MUCH revenue sharing they were entitled to (roughly $20 million per school, increasing by approx 5% per year moving forward). Those were HUGE gifts to the indutry.

Further - she left it up to the schools to determine how to allocate it. Another gift.

This would/could/should have solved 90% of the entire issues. But the powers-that-be (NCAA, conferences, etc) - within hours - completely pissed it away. On purpose. Why? Because they all thought they were "special", and their egos got in the way.

What should have happened? What still could happen? If the leadership of the business was not so horrid?

Simply say:
Great - we will do that (share the $20 Million with athletes)
And that's it.
- No corrupted and grifting "collectives". They had and still have the power to do that.
- No additional compensation from outside sources. We are going to kibosh all that "NIL Collective" nonsense. The "we can swing a bigger d$ck" nonsense.
- Any additional comp? Only what we are required to allow (and still have the power - legally - to do) Only private deals directly from business to athlete that can be verified as REAL, valid, and market-driven NIL purposes (which eliminates 99% of the nonsense. They maintain the ability to do that - to this day).
- Set parameters for how the revenue sharing is allocated to the players (they had, and still have, that power).
Set it up simply. Say, for example "Max of $200,000 per athlete", "$X per athlete in FB and Men's BB - and divvy up the rest according to each schools priorities", or some similar sensible, workable, allocation - that EVERYONE confirms to. Set up parameters by conference if they want. So many simple ways to do it. They maintain the ability to do that - to this day.
- No need or benefit for players to have "agents" and all that nonsense (aside from maybe a few true big name guys with substantive actual "market value" - maybe a couple dozen guys, tops, in the entire nation. And if they want to have them, fine, more power to them)

If you (the "college sports" powers-that-be) do that?
- You control the out-of-control arms race
- You eliminate the incentive for players to jump from school to school to the highest bidder.
- You keep the costs within control, so that all schools can maintain a level of competitiveness based on how well they run their programs (rather than being "priced out" by a handful of lunatic programs).
SPOILER: They never wanted that. That is "hard", and competitive. They didn't want that - when now they can go out - they think - and buy championships!!! They all are deluded/ego-driven to the point that each of them - many of them anyway - think they are "special", and THEY can/will just go out and raise a sh$t-ton of money and be CHAMPIONS. Many are on the verge of getting an awakening, I think. Much like cattle get an "awakening" to the head as they head down the chute at the processing plant]

They could have done all of that. Any organization NOT run by self-serving ego-driven idiots WOULD have done that - and could still do that - if competently run.
They did not and STILL do not - want that. Not the "powers-that-be" (let's just shorten that term to a more appropriate one: The Idiots)

But they didn't. The ran head long - almost IMMEDIATELY - into a race to MutuallyAssuredDestruction.... because their egos and need for self-aggrandizement ruled the day.
Their "need" to turn the business into one that would - they think - benefit only the few "big dogs", and they ALL thought THEY were Big Dogs (ego, again). They wanted to wave their flags and proclaim how much better they were - and they were going to race to destruction (destruction that was obvious to any intelligent person - so, that would exclude The Idiots), in order to be CHAMPIONS! Apparently because now EVERYONE could be a champion, if they just SPENT MORE!!!! :)

Those people remain in charge of the industry today.
Those people have not restricted themselves in any way. They have shown - repeatedly - the inability to think beyond the ends of their toes (hell, most of them - in the Big Ten anyway - wanted to take out PayDay Loans) .

And there you have it.

What is the solution?
Obvious - but maybe impossible (or so it seems anyway):
Have an industry led by competent people who can see beyond the ends of their toes, beyond their egos, and beyond their own next personal big pay day.

It is what it is.
It isn't difficult - but it is impossible with incompetent leadership (is that some kind of oxymoron? LOL).
And - spoiler - the Feds ain't gonna' solve THAT problem. Obviously. Maybe they would like to - IDK. But I don't think they can.

It is what it is.


Step #1:
The P4 Commisars could get together and do this TOMORROW:
"No collectives - no outside fundraising that we divvy out in the arms race for players". And agree to a prescribed allocation formula for divvying up the revenue share.
They could all agree to that tomorrow. But good luck herding those 60 or so (maybe 100 or so with Men's BB) ego-cats that make up the P4



These issues were never that difficult.
It was only the incompetence (as a general broad strokes description) of The Idiots that was incredibly difficult to work around.
 
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BUFFALO LION

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I think it will happen no matter what
Ya. At some point, it seems like there will be a financial breaking point for both the schools, and the fans.

I’m pretty lucky in that I can attend our Home Games without much financial difficulty. With me, it’s the logistics (Approximately 400 mile round trip) and time involved, which I’m more than used to. But for others, it seems like Penn State and the Borough of State College is trying to squeeze every last cent out of every single fan they can get.

Going to a game now, as compared to even before the CorButt/Sandusky incident, is like night and day. And that was only 15 years ago. You go back to pre-2011, the game day experience was exponentially cheaper, and more satisfying. Rooting for hired Professionals doesn’t give you the same feel good feeling that rooting for true student athletes did.
 

BUFFALO LION

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My goodness, 90% of this is simple - and, adding insult to injury, the NCAA (and its members) were handed a gold-plated solution. And pissed it away. They could get it back if they wanted to - if they had the sense to - but that is something that no one should be optimistic about (given the history)

In June of 2025 a judge ruled that "student-athletes" were entitled to "revenue sharing".
Not only that, she went a step further and said HOW MUCH revenue sharing they were entitled to (roughly $20 million per school, increasing by approx 5% per year moving forward). Those were HUGE gifts to the indutry.

Further - she left it up to the schools to determine how to allocate it. Another gift.

This would/could/should have solved 90% of the entire issues. But the powers-that-be (NCAA, conferences, etc) - within hours - completely pissed it away. On purpose. Why? Because they all thought they were "special", and their egos got in the way.

What should have happened? What still could happen? If the leadership of the business was not so horrid?

Simply say:
Great - we will do that (share the $20 Million with athletes)
And that's it.
- No corrupted and grifting "collectives". They had and still have the power to do that.
- No additional compensation from outside sources. We are going to kibosh all that "NIL Collective" nonsense. The "we can swing a bigger d$ck" nonsense.
- Any additional comp? Only what we are required to allow (and still have the power - legally - to do) Only private deals directly from business to athlete that can be verified as REAL, valid, and market-driven NIL purposes (which eliminates 99% of the nonsense. They maintain the ability to do that - to this day).
- Set parameters for how the revenue sharing is allocated to the players (they had, and still have, that power).
Set it up simply. Say, for example "Max of $200,000 per athlete", "$X per athlete in FB and Men's BB - and divvy up the rest according to each schools priorities", or some similar sensible, workable, allocation - that EVERYONE confirms to. Set up parameters by conference if they want. So many simple ways to do it. They maintain the ability to do that - to this day.
- No need or benefit for players to have "agents" and all that nonsense (aside from maybe a few true big name guys with substantive actual "market value" - maybe a couple dozen guys, tops, in the entire nation. And if they want to have them, fine, more power to them)

If you (the "college sports" powers-that-be) do that?
- You control the out-of-control arms race
- You eliminate the incentive for players to jump from school to school to the highest bidder.
- You keep the costs within control, so that all schools can maintain a level of competitiveness based on how well they run their programs (rather than being "priced out" by a handful of lunatic programs).
SPOILER: They never wanted that. That is "hard", and competitive. They didn't want that - when now they can go out - they think - and buy championships!!! They all are deluded/ego-driven to the point that each of them - many of them anyway - think they are "special", and THEY can/will just go out and raise a sh$t-ton of money and be CHAMPIONS. Many are on the verge of getting an awakening, I think. Much like cattle get an "awakening" to the head as they head down the chute at the processing plant]

They could have done all of that. Any organization NOT run by self-serving ego-driven idiots WOULD have done that - and could still do that - if competently run.
They did not and STILL do not - want that. Not the "powers-that-be" (let's just shorten that term to a more appropriate one: The Idiots)

But they didn't. The ran head long - almost IMMEDIATELY - into a race to MutuallyAssuredDestruction.... because their egos and need for self-aggrandizement ruled the day.
Their "need" to turn the business into one that would - they think - benefit only the few "big dogs", and they ALL thought THEY were Big Dogs (ego, again). They wanted to wave their flags and proclaim how much better they were - and they were going to race to destruction (destruction that was obvious to any intelligent person - so, that would exclude The Idiots), in order to be CHAMPIONS! Apparently because now EVERYONE could be a champion, if they just SPENT MORE!!!! :)

Those people remain in charge of the industry today.
Those people have not restricted themselves in any way. They have shown - repeatedly - the inability to think beyond the ends of their toes (hell, most of them - in the Big Ten anyway - wanted to take out PayDay Loans) .

And there you have it.

What is the solution?
Obvious - but maybe impossible (or so it seems anyway):
Have an industry led by competent people who can see beyond the ends of their toes, beyond their egos, and beyond their own next personal big pay day.

It is what it is.
It isn't difficult - but it is impossible with incompetent leadership (is that some kind of oxymoron? LOL).
And - spoiler - the Feds ain't gonna' solve THAT problem. Obviously. Maybe they would like to - IDK. But I don't think they can.

It is what it is.


Step #1:
The P4 Commisars could get together and do this TOMORROW:
"No collectives - no outside fundraising that we divvy out in the arms race for players". And agree to a prescribed allocation formula for divvying up the revenue share.
They could all agree to that tomorrow. But good luck herding those 60 or so (maybe 100 or so with Men's BB) ego-cats that make up the P4



These issues were never that difficult.
It was only the incompetence (as a general broad strokes description) of The Idiots that was incredibly difficult to work around.

My one question is why are you putting the entire blame on the Big Ten and SEC when it was Cody Campbell, Texas Tech, and the Big 12 that got all this thing started?
 
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