I agree, just let the record continue to show it was a joke until a certain few couldn't take it that way... lol
Public vs Private debate is Settled (relief)
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Willing to bet Lynch is getting more than $15k. Public school coaches are educators first, for the most part. Morris coach is the Assistant Principal. Yet again, private schools can go find a coach whereas for the vadt majority of public schools they need to find someone already in the building.
There are privates that do. Also, keep in mind that very little of this compensation is for coaching.
FWIW, Coach Jaworski at JCA is a full time teacher along with being the head football coach.
I will preface this by saying not all; but over the years private schools have figured out they are more nimble when it comes to coaching hires and have used that to their advantage. Nothing wrong with it at all, all within the rules but having less "red tape" is an advantage. Just like pensions are an advantage for public school HC.
The issue is far from resolved. ESL is a total outlier and is basically operating like a private institution.
I love LWE, but their beating BR settles nothing; the talent levels private schools are bringing in from all over give privates a massive advantage. and no, all these kids are not paying tuition out of their families' pockets.
The issue will continue to worsen as talent disparities grow. I'm not against private schools; I went to BR, but saying there are no significant advantages over public schools is nuts. And I'm not even talking about $ and resources available to privates vs most publics.
Over time, this will just erode the playoffs, where we'll see privates winning every year.
I'd be for a public playoff and private playoff, then have the winners play each other.
I love LWE, but their beating BR settles nothing; the talent levels private schools are bringing in from all over give privates a massive advantage. and no, all these kids are not paying tuition out of their families' pockets.
The issue will continue to worsen as talent disparities grow. I'm not against private schools; I went to BR, but saying there are no significant advantages over public schools is nuts. And I'm not even talking about $ and resources available to privates vs most publics.
Over time, this will just erode the playoffs, where we'll see privates winning every year.
I'd be for a public playoff and private playoff, then have the winners play each other.
I forgot all private school head coaches are personal trainers out here just trying to make it rich, profiting off the wealthy families willing to submit their child to the program. Then they go home to their 3.1 million dollar mansions, eat caviar straight from the tin as a snack, smack a glass of Leroy Musigny Grand Cru and off to bed by 7pm because the early bird still get them worms. Come on dude... you're just disagreeing to disagree at this point. It's odd...
I forgot all private school head coaches are personal trainers out here just trying to make it rich, profiting off the wealthy families willing to submit their child to the program. Then they go home to their 3.1 million dollar mansions, eat caviar straight from the tin as a snack, smack a glass of Leroy Musigny Grand Cru and off to bed by 7pm because the early bird still get them worms. Come on dude... you're just disagreeing to disagree at this point. It's odd...
Where did I say anything about private school coaches being rich? I only spoke to how little public school coaches get and that they are found from the staff already in house and not just hired to soley coach football. You just take anything I say to the extreme rather than focusing on what I actually said.
Private school coaches can get “alumni” bonuses that also can’t be tracked except by what’s claimed on taxes. No one is going to ask or say anything. Kinda like the “alumni donor for tuition”
Public schools by far pay more for summers and regular stipends. Some are restricted by the school’s union contract who are required to hire teachers first as coaches.
Public schools by far pay more for summers and regular stipends. Some are restricted by the school’s union contract who are required to hire teachers first as coaches.
That’s what bad publics do.
Where did I say anything about private school coaches being rich? I only spoke to how little public school coaches get and that they are found from the staff already in house and not just hired to soley coach football. You just take anything I say to the extreme rather than focusing on what I actually said.
No athletic department worth their salt hires a new head football coach solely from their current employee base.
That's exactly what happens. Good luck finding an outside coach willing to basically work a full time job for $15k. Thorson at Morris has been the head coach since 2010, I'd say he's in his early to mid 40's now. So you're saying they saw this kid in his 20's and said this is our future football coach, let's create a teaching position for him? Morris has had 3 coaches over the last 50 years. Darlington was a teacher at least a year or two before he started coaching. Dergo played under Darlington and was a special education teacher and freshman coach before taking over as varsity coach.
Inserra at Maine South had been there since 2001 and I'd guess he's in his 50's, so same situation, he started coaching in his 20's as a kid. Piron at Batavia is also an educator first. Same with Reents at Wilmington.
They're public schools, the information is publicly available. The stipend for a head football coach is peanuts. It always makes me laugh every offseason when people talk about coaching searches for public schools like it's college or the NFL. These coaches come from within the teachers in house for the vast majority of public schools. You think tax payers would be OK with a large sum of their tax dollars going to pay football coaches???
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I’m not saying they aren’t educators first, most are. I’m saying that hiring internally isn’t the highest priority.
Sounds like you’re saying hiring internally is a higher priority than hiring the best candidate.
But hiring internally is a necessity. Public schools don't have the luxury of seeking out a football coach, they have to work with what they have. Again, this info is publicly available and can be found online to back me up.
Plainfield North would be the exception.
**Apparently Imbordino is a PE teacher at PN. I believe he was originally an educator at Oswego when he took the job and stayed there a few years. When I searched, initially, it said he was the coach and owned his own business, but nothing about working at PN.
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Public schools will and do go out of their district to hire a coach. There just has to be a teaching job available within the district that they can plug said coach into.
The best candidate has to have a teaching certificate and the school has to have an open teaching position. So it's a little different than just shopping for the best coach available.
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90% of that pay is for their teaching. They have 5 or 6 classes to teach. They are not able to do "Football" the entire school day like some are blessed with.
Let's not be disingenuous here.
It's not like most public school coaches are teaching AP English or Calculus. From what I have seen, a healthy percentage of them teach PE or driver's ed.
Don't get me wrong; there's nothing wrong with that. Just saying the level of prep for multiple sections of AP English, AP World History, and other upper-level honors courses is very different from what is required for 5 or 6 sections of the same PE course for 9th graders or drivers ed for 10th graders.
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Nope, not accurate. They can hire anyone they want. See Tom Nelson at Hersey. All they need is a certification program.
However, public schools add their own requirements to coaching positions that make zero since and only hurt their programs. West Aurora for instance, only is allowed to give stipends to coaches who work in the building. All other must coach for free.
I'll never understand that when the head job is open, why schools don't post it online and see who might show interest.
Well you said it is the public school decision that made "zero since", and that you didn't understand why they don't just post it online (which most do). There are more schools that accept the outside hire than don't. However, it's tied to the contract one way or the other.
