OT: Bucs Rookie who had 2 sacks in preseason vs Jets won in court to go back to LSU.
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It just keeps getting stupider and stupider with each judge and judgement.
we should be playing this game too
Yes - hopefully Greg is on the phone with Kenny Fletcher right now offering him a sweet deal.
College sports ended a long time ago. This is what the aftermath looks like.
There are a grip of Sarahcuse laxers that just can't move on from college and are suing to be eligible again. Wouldn't be surprised if it happens.
I may be missing something here, but by allowing players that have already played 4 years under the rules in place during their career, collected their schollie/NIL/whatever, and moved on to pros or got jobs…these Judges are completely F’in the juniors and seniors in high school which I predict will be the next lawsuit. Those high school players that have been committed and played by the rules, have yet to step foot inside the locker room, collect their NIL, and may be with nowhere to go, are now getting pushed aside or dropped thanks to these losers suing to come back. How does a Judge choose former college players and sacrifice those in the next generation that have been preparing to realize their life long dream? None of it makes sense as the real harm/damage falls on the high school players.
Other than COVID and special exceptions/waivers hasn’t everyone for decades gotten 4 years? What makes the 2022s special? They were done playing and got their 4 under the then existing rules. Their academic/athletic careers were over not to mention there is a new class of high school kids coming in that will not have a spot because of roster limits. If anything, you would think the short term remedy is to increase roster caps to keep the high school kids from having nowhere to go.
He did not get the job for a part of the Lollipop Guild in the remake of the Wizard of Oz, so he needs job.
Life can be unfair. Good lesson for them to learn at an early age. Now that you can pay players real money, having older experienced guys far out trumps a high school kid.
Wow, the bigotry against short stacks is glaring. You should be ashamed.He did not get the job for a part of the Lollipop Guild in the remake of the Wizard of Oz, so he needs job.
This has nothing to do with fairness. Or if you want to go down that silly road how about life’s unfair for the 2022s who already got their shot in college (and clearly missed)…and having older experienced guys in terms of grown men currently on NFL rosters makes zero F’in sense in “college” sports. Just let the 2021s, 2020s, and every year come back = what makes the 2022s special? I’m sure there are 2019 players that never made the pros that are still in good shape and looking for a year of football and a NIL check.
I'm just telling you what a coach wants. This new phase will break some eggs though, and those eggs are the high school seniors/juniors.
Thought it was always 5 years/including a Redshirt for 4 years of Eligibility?
Like a Redshirt Freshman is in his Second year & can play 4 more years...hasn't it always been that way except for the 2022 Class?
Like a Redshirt Freshman is in his Second year & can play 4 more years...hasn't it always been that way except for the 2022 Class?
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Just remember everyone ... the NCAA had rules. The Supreme Court, in its infinite wisdom, invalidated them (and an absurd number of college football fans applauded them for it).
Seems really shortsighted now, but when the rule change was made, the 2025 season was over and a class of 22 kid who played all four years had exhausted his eligibility and was on to real life. If he redshirted a year, he could still play in 26 anyway. The NCAA was thinking in terms of college kids playing sports, not professional athletes trying to land one last contract.
Why not sue to dissolve the roster cap? Get an injunction against the NIL limits? How about unlimited scholarships? These brain-dead judges are “wink wink” looking out for the livelihoods of …a bunch of losers that can’t make a pro roster and are unemployable because they don’t have degrees and/or their college transcripts consists of underwater basket-weaving and janitorial affairs. The Judge probably got free season tickets in the deal.
Yeah that’s the thing - any 22 kid who took a redshirt still has eligibility. The players applying for this never redshirted. From their perspective, a rule was just implemented defining the parameters of an eligibility window to be 5 years from high school graduation or birthday. These players meet those requirements outside of the rule makers deciding that that these new rules will only apply to kids who entered college in 23 or later. It makes sense why the 22s are suing. The rule goes into effect this coming year and the 22s currently do meet the eligibility requirements stated except for the caveat that it will only apply to 23 class and beyond. Seems to me, if your putting this into effect now, it should apply to everyone the same as of the current year.
Apply it to the 21s…20s…why are the 22s special? The rule was passed on 6/23 so the 22s were not even in college at the time especially those praying for a NFL spot. It’s amazing they even have standing to bring a lawsuit as they were not student-athletes.
Well the rule didn’t exist during their 5 year live windows. From a legal perspective, that seems like it would be a pretty distinct difference (disclosure - I’m not a lawyer so maybe I’m wrong but it’s certainly not functionally the same). This rule is in effect right now for the upcoming season. That subgroup of 22 kids currently DO meet the stated ongoing criteria for eligibility (outside of committing to play professionally but they are saying they didn’t know this option existed when they made that choice).
The new rule is cut and dry - it says that for the 2026 season and beyond you get 5 years from HS graduation date or your birthdays (whichever is first). Its one thing to grandfather in qualifying red shirt seasons under the previous rules - because the decisions to take those redshirts were made under a different set of rules entirely. It’s another thing entirely to state universally that the new definition of eligibility starting right now is a 5 year window but not every kid who meets that requirement this year is allowed to play - plugging in a cutoff is very arbitrary. Why does Tariq get another year after this one and not the 22 kid, for instance. The 20 and 21 kids you reference getting shut out is NOT arbitrary. The rule is first applicable in 2026 and therefore they do not meet the age requirement to play under it at any point when the rule was active.
A reasoned legal argument distinguishing the above point:
In 2025 season and prior, NOBODY had an opportunity to earn NIL / allocation “income” as a 5th year college player absent an approved red shirt. So the 20 and 21 kids were consistently afforded the same “opportunity” as their peers.
I’m guessing that’s the legal argument here. Federal law defines age discrimination as only applicable for 40+ but many states (NJ included I think - don’t put a number on it). I’m thinking that’s why this is now a hot mess. The cleanest thing to do, honestly, is to allow them to play and not have those kids count towards schollie count. For this one bridge year only.
In 2025 season and prior, NOBODY had an opportunity to earn NIL / allocation “income” as a 5th year college player absent an approved red shirt. So the 20 and 21 kids were consistently afforded the same “opportunity” as their peers.
I’m guessing that’s the legal argument here. Federal law defines age discrimination as only applicable for 40+ but many states (NJ included I think - don’t put a number on it). I’m thinking that’s why this is now a hot mess. The cleanest thing to do, honestly, is to allow them to play and not have those kids count towards schollie count. For this one bridge year only.
They are special because they meet the rule requirement.
And the 21s and 20s dont.
It's not that difficult to understand.
Eligible players for 2026: Within a 5 year window from graduating HS.
2020 players - their 5 year window ended in 2024.
2021 players - their 5 year window ended in 2025
2022 players - their 5 year window ends in 2026.
In 2027 - anyone within a 5 year window will be eligible. Regardless of prior years playing.
As mentioned, Tariq Francis (class of 2023) will be eligible for a 5th season despite having already played 4 seasons.
You are missing the point - these 2022 athletes were not in college at the time the rule was instituted. They were in training camps, working jobs, playing video games in their parent’s basement, etc. They were done - got their 4 years under the rules in effect during their career. Had the 5-5 rule been instituted in let’s say February while they were still on campus I’d be more inclined to see why the 2022s are “special”. And the Courts are focused on “harm” when it comes to injunctions. I would argue the greater harm is being felt by those incoming and first year players that are being dropped. They have no options as rosters are full and their ability to earn future NIL will be much less or even zero now.
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