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[Ghost of Dattier]

Dude... What connection are you trying to make? You quoted me without adding anything as if we were that close to understanding each other that it would be obvious. You're not making any sense. You're not yourself, KD. It's kind of alarming.

 

[KDSTONE]

I didn't make it up. It's well a well known distinction. I'm applying a textbook definition of bigotry to what mac has said and doing so calmly, logically, and clearly.

He doesn't think Muslims should be allowed to hold political office. Why? Because they are Muslim. That is anti-American, anti-Christian, and bigoted. Period.

Are you actually keeping up with everything in this thread? It seems like you're just swooping in and addressing single posts in a vacuum because you're taking things way out of context and going in really odd directions. It's going to sound condescending if I ask if you're okay, but wow, KD, you are not yourself

Funny how your texts get personal when I point out one of your many glaring inconsistencies. You ask for a direct quote, I provide it, and you attempt to deflect with a snide, personal remark. A few days ago I was drunk, now I’m “not myself”. Your tactics are as transparent as they are pathetic.
One minute you’re spouting Christian platitudes about “leading with love” ( does Hallmark know about you?), the next the same self righteous pricktitude we’ve come to expect.

Are you okay? is the question. I mean you’re a teacher right? Beginning of a new year and all? Getting those routines down, setting that tone.
What are the students doing while you spend half the workday frittering about on your phone?
I don’t pay taxes in NC thankfully but I wonder if the others on this board ever wonder how their tax $ are being spent. I’d be concerned. Either you have the longest planning period ever, or there’s considerable time wasting here.
I’m quite alright, but thanks for your concern.
I would advise from here on out, you try to keep this civil.

 

[KDSTONE]

I was in middle school and high school in the '80s. We learned all of that in health class. What you are saying does not resemble any reality I experienced. I can say it 3 more times if you still don't get it, but I'd rather not

You’re lying as usual. Say it 100 times for all I care. You didn’t learn that anal sex was the primary transmitter of HIV at your Bum **** high school back in the 80s. No one believes you, except maybe Dirt who’s on a well earned sabbatical.

 

[KDSTONE]

Dude... What connection are you trying to make? You quoted me without adding anything as if we were that close to understanding each other that it would be obvious. You're not making any sense. You're not yourself, KD. It's kind of alarming.

Why would I add anything? You asked for your exact quote. So I reposted that message ( exact quote) and your post asking for the quote. Was I supposed to add an emoji or something? I thought it was self explanatory but whatever.

We’ll try this later when you’re sober.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Funny how your texts get personal when I point out one of your many glaring inconsistencies. You ask for a direct quote, I provide it, and you attempt to deflect with a snide, personal remark. A few days ago I was drunk, now I’m “not myself”. Your tactics are as transparent as they are pathetic.
One minute you’re spouting Christian platitudes about “leading with love” ( does Hallmark know about you?), the next the same self righteous pricktitude we’ve come to expect.

Are you okay? is the question. I mean you’re a teacher right? Beginning of a new year and all? Getting those routines down, setting that tone.
What are the students doing while you spend half the workday frittering about on your phone?
I don’t pay taxes in NC thankfully but I wonder if the others on this board ever wonder how their tax $ are being spent. I’d be concerned. Either you have the longest planning period ever, or there’s considerable time wasting here.
I’m quite alright, but thanks for your concern.
I would advise from here on out, you try to keep this civil.

I've been completely sincere. I'm not going to put much effort into convincing you.

You seem very different. I don't understand what you're getting at in most of your posts over the last week or so. Glad to hear you're okay.

You're coming at me over my job. It's not because you are so worried about anyone's taxes. It's because you are deliberately trying to antagonize me and make veiled threats. Do you know what my specific job is? Do you know when school starts in my district? Am I in a classroom? Am I in administration? Am I on a traditional school calendar? Am I at an in-person school? Have I retired? Am I still full time? Have I been taking any time off? You don't know any of those things, and not by accident. Whether I've retired already or not, no one here will know until years later. Why? Well, the kind of person who would make veiled threats and insinuations about my job like you just did might also be the kind of person who will look up information on the retirement ceremony and find a list of retirees, and then narrow it down until they find me. Paranoid? Okay. Something someone who would hint at doxxing me at work might do? Yeah, I think so.

I've been completely civil. I'm not going to change a thing about how I've been posting recently.

 

[Mac9192]

I didn't make it up. It's well a well known distinction. I'm applying a textbook definition of bigotry to what mac has said and doing so calmly, logically, and clearly.

He doesn't think Muslims should be allowed to hold political office. Why? Because they are Muslim. That is anti-American, anti-Christian, and bigoted. Period.

Bigotry according to you. I’ve calmly explained my stance, but as long as you have your goggles on, you see only what you want to see. Your mind is made up.

Yes, I have an issue with a Muslim holding any political office in America. It’s proven correct when they’re also an admitted Socialist. Thats a scary combination. But very convenient of you to leave that part out.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

You’re lying as usual. Say it 100 times for all I care. You didn’t learn that anal sex was the primary transmitter of HIV at your Bum **** high school back in the 80s. No one believes you, except maybe Dirt who’s on a well earned sabbatical.

okay

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Why would I add anything? You asked for your exact quote. So I reposted that message ( exact quote) and your post asking for the quote. Was I supposed to add an emoji or something? I thought it was self explanatory but whatever.

We’ll try this later when you’re sober.

Nope. Not self-explanatory. We struggle to see eye-to-eye on a good day. I don't know why you think anything between us would be self-explanatory.

I'm sober and there is nothing about my behavior here that would make anyone think otherwise. I think you know this, too, and you're just throwing an accusation back at me in retaliation for something I said a couple days ago. I'm in complete control of myself.

Sorry if my thinking you might be drunk a couple days ago bothered you.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Bigotry according to you. I’ve calmly explained my stance, but as long as you have your goggles on, you see only what you want to see. Your mind is made up.

Yes, I have an issue with a Muslim holding any political office in America. It’s proven correct when they’re also an admitted Socialist. Thats a scary combination. But very convenient of you to leave that part out.

What you said before was that being a socialist [sic- not the same as a Democratic Socialist] added to it. Your objection to a Muslim holding political office existed separately, based on your own words.

Objecting to a US citizen holding political office because of their religion is bigotry. Not according to me. According to the definition of the word. I've told you this multiple times. Go ahead and look it up for yourself.

It is also anti-American, as it goes against the US Constitution's very first amendment. It is also anti-Christian, as we are called to love our neighbors as ourselves without qualification or exception. The entire parable of the Good Samaritan is about not judging people harshly based on their affiliations.

interesting how you've pushed back on the accurate labeling of your stance as bigoted but not on the accurate labeling of your stance as anti-American and anti-Christian.

 

[KDSTONE]

I've been completely sincere. I'm not going to put much effort into convincing you.

You seem very different. I don't understand what you're getting at in most of your posts over the last week or so. Glad to hear you're okay.

You're coming at me over my job. It's not because you are so worried about anyone's taxes. It's because you are deliberately trying to antagonize me and make veiled threats. Do you know what my specific job is? Do you know when school starts in my district? Am I in a classroom? Am I in administration? Am I on a traditional school calendar? Am I at an in-person school? Have I retired? Am I still full time? Have I been taking any time off? You don't know any of those things, and not by accident. Whether I've retired already or not, no one here will know until years later. Why? Well, the kind of person who would make veiled threats and insinuations about my job like you just did might also be the kind of person who will look up information on the retirement ceremony and find a list of retirees, and then narrow it down until they find me. Paranoid? Okay. Something someone who would hint at doxxing me at work might do? Yeah, I think so.

I've been completely civil. I'm not going to change a thing about how I've been posting recently.

Complete and utter bull ****. You talk frequently about how demanding teaching is, yet spend half your time on your phone. Glad to have ya, wouldn’t be the same without ya.
Thing is, most of us arent being funded by the taxpayers, we’re in the private sector. Say with it me now, the private sector.
You have been better than usual ( low bar) but nowhere close to civil. When getting cornered in an argument and your last recourse is “ you’re crazy” or “ you’re drunk” chances are youre losing the argument.

I get it man. It seemed cool when Dirt Duck did it the other day, even said he hoped I “ had a good support network” and all that and I certainly wish him the same. I’m sure doom scrolling Far left websites all day will bring him nothing but serenity and prosperity but. This. Is. About. You.
Don’t pretend you’ve been “ nothing but civil”. You’re better than that.

listen up. I honestly couldn’t give a rat’s *** whether you’re still working or not. That’s yet another example of you turning the tables when you feel cornered. No one’s made “veiled threats”. This is about accountability.
You want to get personal, questioning my mental health, sending a Jewish poster anti Israel posts when the topic is completely unrelated, you may see yourself as a “ good person”. But for me the cherry on top was yesterday: we should all aspire to be more Christlike and “lean into love”. Do you even hear yourself?
Your posts seem to be mostly about gotcha moments and twisting others’ words around. Haven’t really felt the love yet.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Complete and utter bull ****. You talk frequently about how demanding teaching is, yet spend half your time on your phone. Glad to have ya, wouldn’t be the same without ya.
Thing is, most of us arent being funded by the taxpayers, we’re in the private sector. Say with it me now, the private sector.
You have been better than usual ( low bar) but nowhere close to civil. When getting cornered in an argument and your last recourse is “ you’re crazy” or “ you’re drunk” chances are youre losing the argument.

I get it man. It seemed cool when Dirt Duck did it the other day, even said he hoped I “ had a good support network” and all that and I certainly wish him the same. I’m sure doom scrolling Far left websites all day will bring him nothing but serenity and prosperity but. This. Is. About. You.
Don’t pretend you’ve been “ nothing but civil”. You’re better than that.

listen up. I honestly couldn’t give a rat’s *** whether you’re still working or not. That’s yet another example of you turning the tables when you feel cornered. No one’s made “veiled threats”. This is about accountability.
You want to get personal, questioning my mental health, sending a Jewish poster anti Israel posts when the topic is completely unrelated, you may see yourself as a “ good person”. But for me the cherry on top was yesterday: we should all aspire to be more Christlike and “lean into love”. Do you even hear yourself?
Your posts seem to be mostly about gotcha moments and twisting others’ words around. Haven’t really felt the love yet.

okay

 

[KDSTONE]

I've been completely sincere. I'm not going to put much effort into convincing you.

You seem very different. I don't understand what you're getting at in most of your posts over the last week or so. Glad to hear you're okay.

You're coming at me over my job. It's not because you are so worried about anyone's taxes. It's because you are deliberately trying to antagonize me and make veiled threats. Do you know what my specific job is? Do you know when school starts in my district? Am I in a classroom? Am I in administration? Am I on a traditional school calendar? Am I at an in-person school? Have I retired? Am I still full time? Have I been taking any time off? You don't know any of those things, and not by accident. Whether I've retired already or not, no one here will know until years later. Why? Well, the kind of person who would make veiled threats and insinuations about my job like you just did might also be the kind of person who will look up information on the retirement ceremony and find a list of retirees, and then narrow it down until they find me. Paranoid? Okay. Something someone who would hint at doxxing me at work might do? Yeah, I think so.

I've been completely civil. I'm not going to change a thing about how I've been posting recently.

So you want the moral privilege associated with being a teacher, and have attempted to shame anyone criticizing teachers’ unions for years, but now you’re saying you may not actually be a teacher but a vague some sort of autocrat, I meant educrat, but don’t worry about it cus you might actually be retired anyway, even though I’m pretty sure you’ve been pretending to be a teacher for a while anyway. It’s true we don’t know exactly what you do, but you’ve been giving us the impression there’s a classroom involved.

 

[KDSTONE]

Nope. Not self-explanatory. We struggle to see eye-to-eye on a good day. I don't know why you think anything between us would be self-explanatory.

I'm sober and there is nothing about my behavior here that would make anyone think otherwise. I think you know this, too, and you're just throwing an accusation back at me in retaliation for something I said a couple days ago. I'm in complete control of myself.

Sorry if my thinking you might be drunk a couple days ago bothered you.

I’ll explain it one more time. You asked for your direct quote. I posted the direct quote in addition to your post asking for the direct quote. I don’t know how else to explain it.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

So you want the moral privilege associated with being a teacher, and have attempted to shame anyone criticizing teachers’ unions for years, but now you’re saying you may not actually be a teacher but a vague some sort of autocrat, I meant educrat, but don’t worry about it cus you might actually be retired anyway, even though I’m pretty sure you’ve been pretending to be a teacher for a while anyway. It’s true we don’t know exactly what you do, but you’ve been giving us the impression there’s a classroom involved.

I may have let it slip that I have been a classroom teacher. I've been pretty deliberate about saying public school educator for some time. My point is you don't really have any clue what I do or what my schedule is. I won't remind you of what district I work in, but an awful lot of NC districts don't start until next week.
But enough about me...

 

[KDSTONE]

What you said before was that being a socialist [sic- not the same as a Democratic Socialist] added to it. Your objection to a Muslim holding political office existed separately, based on your own words.

Objecting to a US citizen holding political office because of their religion is bigotry. Not according to me. According to the definition of the word. I've told you this multiple times. Go ahead and look it up for yourself.

It is also anti-American, as it goes against the US Constitution's very first amendment. It is also anti-Christian, as we are called to love our neighbors as ourselves without qualification or exception. The entire parable of the Good Samaritan is about not judging people harshly based on their affiliations.

interesting how you've pushed back on the accurate labeling of your stance as bigoted but not on the accurate labeling of your stance as anti-American and anti-Christian.

I can only assume this is a troll, you referencing the Good Samaritan not “ judging people harshly based on their affiliations”. When you do precisely that very thing every day.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

I’ll explain it one more time. You asked for your direct quote. I posted the direct quote in addition to your post asking for the direct quote. I don’t know how else to explain it.

Why, though? What was I supposed to see without any additional comment or connecting of the dots?

 

[KDSTONE]

Why, though? What was I supposed to see without any additional comment or connecting of the dots?

You asked for a direct quote and I posted it along with your request for the direct quote. Done with this.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

I can only assume this is a troll, you referencing the Good Samaritan not “ judging people harshly based on their affiliations”. When you do precisely that very thing every day.

Not a troll, not remotely comparable to saying Muslims shouldn't hold political office in the US, and not about me.

 

[Mac9192]

What you said before was that being a socialist [sic- not the same as a Democratic Socialist] added to it. Your objection to a Muslim holding political office existed separately, based on your own words.

Objecting to a US citizen holding political office because of their religion is bigotry. Not according to me. According to the definition of the word. I've told you this multiple times. Go ahead and look it up for yourself.

It is also anti-American, as it goes against the US Constitution's very first amendment. It is also anti-Christian, as we are called to love our neighbors as ourselves without qualification or exception. The entire parable of the Good Samaritan is about not judging people harshly based on their affiliations.

interesting how you've pushed back on the accurate labeling of your stance as bigoted but not on the accurate labeling of your stance as anti-American and anti-Christian.

I have NO problem not wanting a Muslim as a Politician. None. It’s a big Hell NO if one is also a socialist. Nothing confusing about this take. I haven’t pushed back on anything. I’ve. Been. Very. Clear.
One being elected to office is a reflection of our decay, but an argument could be made for them by simply having a slogan “we can’t do worse.”

 

[KDSTONE]

I may have let it slip that I have been a classroom teacher. I've been pretty deliberate about saying public school educator for some time. My point is you don't really have any clue what I do or what my schedule is. I won't remind you of what district I work in, but an awful lot of NC districts don't start until next week.
But enough about me...

Well whether or not you’re a teacher, and whether or not school has started in your district ha ha, and whether or not you’re retired, best wishes on a great school year.

 

[KDSTONE]

Not a troll, not remotely comparable to saying Muslims shouldn't hold political office in the US, and not about me.

Never said that. I wouldn’t vote for any of the current ones for obvious reasons, but never say never. I don’t think they should be prevented from running, I just wouldn’t vote for them personally.

 

[KDSTONE]

I have NO problem not wanting a Muslim as a Politician. None. It’s a big Hell NO if one is also a socialist. Nothing confusing about this take. I haven’t pushed back on anything. I’ve. Been. Very. Clear.
One being elected to office is a reflection of our decay, but an argument could be made for them by simply having a slogan “we can’t do worse.”

Better watch it buddy. They’re going to accuse you of being drunk again. All the tell tale signs are there. The three am posts, the childish retweets, oh wait I’m thinking about the dirt devil my bad.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

I have NO problem not wanting a Muslim as a Politician. None. It’s a big Hell NO if one is also a socialist. Nothing confusing about this take. I haven’t pushed back on anything. I’ve. Been. Very. Clear.
One being elected to office is a reflection of our decay, but an argument could be made for them by simply having a slogan “we can’t do worse.”

So no Muslims, period... with socialism [sic] being an additional objection. What was so convenient about my leaving out the socialist part before other than it being convenient for you to deflect with it?

I've been clear: that stance is bigoted according to every reasonable definition of bigotry; it is anti-American according to the US Constitution; it is anti-Christian according to the Bible.

What you haven't pushed back on is that your stance is anti-American or anti-Christian. You've only objected to your words being accurately labeled as bigotry.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Never said that. I wouldn’t vote for any of the current ones for obvious reasons, but never say never. I don’t think they should be prevented from running, I just wouldn’t vote for them personally.

Mac said that. That's who I've been responding to with half the things you've quoted. How have you missed that?

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Better watch it buddy. They’re going to accuse you of being drunk again. All the tell tale signs are there. The three am posts, the childish retweets, oh wait I’m thinking about the dirt devil my bad.

Interesting that you try to take me to task over single words but you have nothing to say about mac's bigoted, anti-American, anti-Christian statement other than to twist it into a personal shot at a poster who isn't here.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Well whether or not you’re a teacher, and whether or not school has started in your district ha ha, and whether or not you’re retired, best wishes on a great school year.

Yeah, this means nothing to me. I don't believe a word of it.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

You asked for a direct quote and I posted it along with your request for the direct quote. Done with this.

It doesn't clarify whatever you were trying to claim about insiders and outsiders.

 

[KDSTONE]

So no Muslims, period... with socialism [sic] being an additional objection. What was so convenient about my leaving out the socialist part before other than it being convenient for you to deflect with it?

I've been clear: that stance is bigoted according to every reasonable definition of bigotry; it is anti-American according to the US Constitution; it is anti-Christian according to the Bible.

What you haven't pushed back on is that your stance is anti-American or anti-Christian. You've only objected to your words being accurately labeled as bigotry.

Some feel that the Koran is incompatible with Western civilization. If you actually read it, you might agree. Kill the infidel, taquiya and all that rubbish. You should learn more about the religion you’re always defending. Yes the Torah and New Testament have their antiquated moments, but few are shouting for Moses or St Paul when they’re be heading people or justifying raping thousands of white girls in the Uk

 

[KDSTONE]

Yeah, this means nothing to me. I don't believe a word of it.

Don’t believe wut bruh, that I don’t wish you the best or that I have no idea what you do I wish you better mental health, less condescension and pretentiousness, more humility Straight ****

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Never said that. I wouldn’t vote for any of the current ones for obvious reasons, but never say never. I don’t think they should be prevented from running, I just wouldn’t vote for them personally.

@Mac9192 , I have no problem with what KD said in the bold here. What you said goes beyond that.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Don’t believe wut bruh, that I don’t wish you the best or that I have no idea what you do I wish you better mental health, less condescension and pretentiousness, more humility Straight ****

I don't trust that you have any goodwill toward me.

 

[KDSTONE]

It doesn't clarify whatever you were trying to claim about insiders and outsiders.

You said I was an outsider, implying that you were some sort of insider because you vote Democrat? Who knows what point you were trying to make?

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Some feel that the Koran is incompatible with Western civilization. If you actually read it, you might agree. Kill the infidel, taquiya and all that rubbish. You should learn more about the religion you’re always defending. Yes the Torah and New Testament have their antiquated moments, but few are shouting for Moses or St Paul when they’re be heading people or justifying raping thousands of white girls in the Uk

And very few are beheading people or justifying raping thousands of white girls in the UK, period.

Muslims have been functioning and contributing members of this country for about a century. There is no mistaking them for jihadists.

Nobody fairs well if they are judged only by the "antiquated moments" of their faith.

I know a fair bit about Islam but definitely not a whole lot-lot. That makes no difference, though. I don't have to understand people completely to support their rights.

 

[KDSTONE]

I don't trust that you have any goodwill toward me.

If I had no goodwill towards you, I wouldn’t respond to your posts. I disagree with your viewpoints, but you’re a talented writer and I enjoy the back and forth for the most part. I appreciate your desire for anonymity, but if you think I’d be so petty to try to cause problems at your job, well that’s disappointing. Disagreeing on a message board is one thing; letting that cross over into real world **** is something else entirely.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

You said I was an outsider, implying that you were some sort of insider because you vote Democrat? Who knows what point you were trying to make?

The perspective you shared revealed to me that you were looking at it from the outside. I don't presume membership in the LGBTQIAMQW+ community. I do think my consistent allyship and interaction provides some insight.

So whatever else you were trying to assume about my meaning was so off-base as to be confusing and incomprehensible.

 

[KDSTONE]

And very few are beheading people or justifying raping thousands of white girls in the UK, period.

Muslims have been functioning and contributing members of this country for about a century. There is no mistaking them for jihadists.

Nobody fairs well if they are judged only by the "antiquated moments" of their faith.

I know a fair bit about Islam but definitely not a whole lot-lot. That makes no difference, though. I don't have to understand people completely to support their rights.

Tens of thousands have been raped in the Uk by mostly Pakistani immigrants. They justified it by saying that the Koran treats infidel women as deserving of being raped. They do have rights, but the rest of the Uk have the right to not want any more immigrants from that part of the world if that’s what they decide. Thats how democracy works.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

If I had no goodwill towards you, I wouldn’t respond to your posts. I disagree with your viewpoints, but you’re a talented writer and I enjoy the back and forth for the most part. I appreciate your desire for anonymity, but if you think I’d be so petty to try to cause problems at your job, well that’s disappointing. Disagreeing on a message board is one thing; letting that cross over into real world **** is something else entirely.

You don't get to insult and mock my profession 9 times out of 10 and have the 10th time mean anything to me.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Tens of thousands have been raped in the Uk by mostly Pakistani immigrants. They justified it by saying that the Koran treats infidel women as deserving of being raped. They do have rights, but the rest of the Uk have the right to not want any more immigrants from that part of the world if that’s what they decide. Thats how democracy works.

I'm really not interested in seguing into a discussion of how UK deals with immigration issues.

I read somewhere recently that within a few years (if not already), Islam will be the most practiced religion in the world. Well over a billion people. If the worst of them were really indicative of all Muslims, they'd have taken over everything already. The truth is, most of them are peaceful, contributing members of society. I think there are several prominent examples who put Christians to shame for better emulating Christ.

 

[KDSTONE]

You don't get to insult and mock my profession 9 times out of 10 and have the 10th time mean anything to me.

I made a remark one time that I apologized for to duke91. To dismiss my apology based on your own paranoia is very onbrand. My teachers were my heroes. I owe them everything, more than my doctors, more than anyone except for my kin and maybe my rabbi but it’s close. How dare you twist my posts around so you can play the victim card yet again.

 

[KDSTONE]

I'm really not interested in seguing into a discussion of how UK deals with immigration issues.

I read somewhere recently that within a few years (if not already), Islam will be the most practiced religion in the world. Well over a billion people. If the worst of them were really indicative of all Muslims, they'd have taken over everything already. The truth is, most of them are peaceful, contributing members of society. I think there are several prominent examples who put Christians to shame for better emulating Christ.

How did they take over the Middle East and North Africa? While members of other groups previously in those regions is getting awfully close to well. Zero. Spontaneous enlightenment? You’re embarrassing yourself.