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[Ghost of Dattier]

So you think there’s less heterosexual couples percentage wise than what’s depicted in commercials? Datt, I’m just curious, but what percentage of people do you think are homosexual? I’m sure it’s going to get higher with the way they celebrate it with PRIDE month. I doubt if Mac has a problem with homosexuals, he’s probably like me and doesn’t care to celebrate it. I’m a Christian and I think people like to judge us and expect us to be perfect. We’re all sinners. People expect us to be tolerant and nonjudgmental, but the Bible says that you’re to judge your neighbor fairly. It doesn’t say we are to accept everything.

Here's exactly what I said, bold emphasis added: "I would venture a guess that the percentage of heterosexual couples depicted doing something romantic/affectionate in commercials and other media and entertainment is way higher than the actual % of couples who are heterosexual."
I'm open to statistics proving otherwise, but as stated, it is clearly my personal opinion and guess that if heterosexual couples are X% of all couples, then they are depicted in advertising, media, and entertainment X+%. I'm not particularly concerned with perfectly proportionate representation. @Mac9192 brought it up, not me. You have a different opinion? Cool.

I have a very different interpretation of the Bible and how we are called to act in accordance with Christ's example. If you're not leading with love and leaning heavily into love -- if all anyone sees is judgment, and mean-spirited, oppressive judgment at that -- you're definitely not doing it right.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Exactly @dukesince91. I’m also not against Muslims. I just don’t think they should hold political positions. It’s made worse when they admit to being socialist.
Datt has learned well. Take a portion of what is said, then spin it.

Why are you making this personal? Why not stick to what I actually said? It's not about me.

You're not against Muslims... but you favor restricting their rights as citizens. What do you think "against Muslims" means? That's kind of like saying you're not against X, Y, or Z people... as long as they know "their place."

I am addressing exactly what you said and clearly, thoroughly, logically, patiently, and repeatedly explaining how it sounds and why it is anti-American, anti-Christian, and bigoted. I am not calling you the person names. I am clearly, thoroughly, logically, patiently, and repeatedly explaining how your words are anti-American, anti-Christian, and bigoted. That's not spinning anything. That's connecting the dots clearly, thoroughly, logically, patiently, and repeatedly.

 

[dukesince91]

Here's exactly what I said, bold emphasis added: "I would venture a guess that the percentage of heterosexual couples depicted doing something romantic/affectionate in commercials and other media and entertainment is way higher than the actual % of couples who are heterosexual."
I'm open to statistics proving otherwise, but as stated, it is clearly my personal opinion and guess that if heterosexual couples are X% of all couples, then they are depicted in advertising, media, and entertainment X+%. I'm not particularly concerned with perfectly proportionate representation. @Mac9192 brought it up, not me. You have a different opinion? Cool.

I have a very different interpretation of the Bible and how we are called to act in accordance with Christ's example. If you're not leading with love and leaning heavily into love -- if all anyone sees is judgment, and mean-spirited, oppressive judgment at that -- you're definitely not doing it right.

I agree with your statement that you should lead with love, but you should still judge what is right and what is wrong. I think you can do both. I can disagree with what a person is doing and still love them. That’s what Christ does for each of us.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

I agree with your statement that you should lead with love, but you should still judge what is right and what is wrong. I think you can do both. I can disagree with what a person is doing and still love them. That’s what Christ does for each of us.

I agree. I don't think conservative Christians do a good job of leading with love under those circumstances, and I disagree w/ interpretations of the Bible condemning homosexuality. Not eager to get into why, but go ahead and tell me I can't. I dare you. lol

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

Judge not.....
You can show someone the error of their ways through the light that shines in you and the word of God

 

[KDSTONE]

Judge not.....
You can show someone the error of their ways through the light that shines in you and the word of God

It’s a tricky subject, because I don’t suspect most gay people see their sexual identity as solely expressed through behavior, but also as core to who they are as humans, and when you try to sever one from the other it’s doomed to fail imho.
I don’t think people choose to be gay, but I agree with the sentiment that positive reinforcement is more effective than condemnation in a more general sense but gay conversion therapy has proven to fail time and again

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

Wasn't

It’s a tricky subject, because I don’t suspect most gay people see their sexual identity as solely expressed through behavior, but also as core to who they are as humans, and when you try to sever one from the other it’s doomed to fail imho.
I don’t think people choose to be gay, but I agree with the sentiment that positive reinforcement is more effective than condemnation in a more general sense but gay conversion therapy has proven to fail time and again

Wasn't necessarily talking about homosexuality...all things, but we do agree, I don't think homosexuality is a choice, I think people are wired that way...hard to fathom you choose that with all the scrutiny and judgement that comes your...sense you kind of opened the door, thoughts on identity???....i have a tough time believing thats a choice either, seems ti be wiring as well when your brain doesn't agree with your physical???

 

[dukesince91]

Homosexuality is a hard topic for me to grasp. I’ve seen many heterosexual relations sour and then the person decides to become homosexual. Were they homosexual to begin with or choose to become? I think as a society we will see more people becoming homosexual due to.how it is celebrated with PRIDE parades etc…

 

[KDSTONE]

Homosexuality is a hard topic for me to grasp. I’ve seen many heterosexual relations sour and then the person decides to become homosexual. Were they homosexual to begin with or choose to become? I think as a society we will see more people becoming homosexual due to.how it is celebrated with PRIDE parades etc…

We’re probably all familiar with the story about the guy who leaves his wife and family and goes full on gay. Was he knowingly living a lie or did he have an epiphany of sorts? A social structure of repression against gays keeps some in the closet, but in certain circles there seems to be social incentive to identify as something other than straight and white. No one wants to be an oppressor; much cooler to be brown, Black, gay, trans, etc. Now you’re no longer merely a white interloper at the intersectional hootenanny; you can sit at the head of the table.

 

[KDSTONE]

Wasn't
Wasn't necessarily talking about homosexuality...all things, but we do agree, I don't think homosexuality is a choice, I think people are wired that way...hard to fathom you choose that with all the scrutiny and judgement that comes your...sense you kind of opened the door, thoughts on identity???....i have a tough time believing thats a choice either, seems ti be wiring as well when your brain doesn't agree with your physical???

Social contagion seems to play a role. How much of one can be debated. The research isn’t settled. The notion that any of these studies could be politically neutral at this point is dubious at best. In some areas, the kids identifying as non-binary is as high as 30%. In some as low as 2%.
So the question practically asks itself: do repressive social structures artificially keep the numbers low in some areas ( think Red states) or does increased social acceptance and status inflate the stats in politically active liberal areas?

Gender dysphoria in adolescence: examining the rapid-onset hypothesis - PMC

The sharp rise in the number of predominantly natal female adolescents experiencing gender dysphoria and seeking treatment in specialized clinics has sparked a contentious and polarized debate among both the scientific community and the public ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Mac9192]

I have a cousin who’s gay. She’s a super nice lady, and played softball when she was growing up. I remember watching her play when we were younger. She had a cannon for an arm, and she acted and played like a boy. I do struggle with the whole is “gay a choice” narrative from seeing what I saw with her. She has an older brother who’s straight, as well as both parents are still alive and married.

The transgender, non binary… things? I believe it’s mental illness. Some I think are these yahoos seeking attention, but I still think it’s mental illness. I’m not mean to them, but have no idea why they are the way they are.

I think our tolerance of a lot of these things have spun completely out of control. The future of our country is looking grim. We’re making very soft people. Freedom of speech is good, but the pendulum is leaning too far to a where it’s close to a dangerous point.

 

[KDSTONE]

I have a cousin who’s gay. She’s a super nice lady, and played softball when she was growing up. I remember watching her play when we were younger. She had a cannon for an arm, and she acted and played like a boy. I do struggle with the whole is “gay a choice” narrative from seeing what I saw with her. She has an older brother who’s straight, as well as both parents are still alive and married.

The transgender, non binary… things? I believe it’s mental illness. Some I think are these yahoos seeking attention, but I still think it’s mental illness. I’m not mean to them, but have no idea why they are the way they are.

I think our tolerance of a lot of these things have spun completely out of control. The future of our country is looking grim. We’re making very soft people. Freedom of speech is good, but the pendulum is leaning too far to a where it’s close to a dangerous point.

I think it’s mostly genetic, but environmental factors play a role as well. For example, sexually abused boys are significantly more likely to identify as gay later in life, but some believe that nascent same sex orientation predisposes someone to be victimized, so the maltrtx stems from the preexisting identification rather than the maltreatment being causal to later same sex ID.
Re: trans, my understanding is that it used to be labeled gender dysphoria. Mental heath prof are less likely to use that diagnosis now . Whether that’s evolving with new data or if they’re succumbing to political pressure, it’s hard to say.

 

[dukesince91]

We’re probably all familiar with the story about the guy who leaves his wife and family and goes full on gay. Was he knowingly living a lie or did he have an epiphany of sorts? A social structure of repression against gays keeps some in the closet, but in certain circles there seems to be social incentive to identify as something other than straight and white. No one wants to be an oppressor; much cooler to be brown, Black, gay, trans, etc. Now you’re no longer merely a white interloper at the intersectional hootenanny; you can sit at the head of the table.

I actually know more females that left their husbands and family for a lesbian relationship. As a former middle school teacher I could probably pick a lot of kids out who I thought would be homosexuals as adults by their appearance, mannerisms and actions. I remember one girl who was very feminine dating a girl that looked more masculine than the boys. She had a buzz haircut and a chain attached from her jeans belt loop to her wallet. I couldn’t figure that one out. I thought why don’t you just date a guy. They didn’t look any different.