Aaron Torres? The man who has social media pages for 25 different teams? Cmon SOS. Thought you were better than this,
Torres: Calipari will land the #1 recruiting class again in 2027.
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What's this? Another ad hominem attack with no facts or analysis to actually confront my points? I thought you could do better.
is there a paid feature to block Calipari posts?
Once again, Cal was not fired or "not allowed to finish". Mitch had already begun his "one more year" convince the fans that next time will be different tour when he got cucked for the 100th time. Cal chose to leave because the Crafts were withholding most of their money due to their conflict and because he wasn't allowed to hire Brad as an assistant. He almost left in the middle of the season to Ohio State before they decided to roll with their guy. He had a contract and he was expected back. What else did you want, another raise and extension? Fans be forced to pretend he wasn't floundering?
Once again, Cal was not fired or "not allowed to finish". Mitch had already begun his "one more year" convince the fans that next time will be different tour when he got cucked for the 100th time. Cal chose to leave because the Crafts were withholding most of their money due to their conflict and because he wasn't allowed to hire Brad as an assistant. He almost left in the middle of the season to Ohio State before they decided to roll with their guy. He had a contract and he was expected back. What else did you want, another raise and extension? Fans be forced to pretend he wasn't floundering?
Lol you're worse than him,, a retarded dumbass
.. You both keep on guzzlin Kals man juice..Cal may have one more run left in him, maybe not. But he seems to have lost his fastball and that's hard to debate. He definitely didn't have his stuff at UK anymore
Right, the guy is a bit of a cornball - not even sure what his niche is. Screaming at you, taking old info and restating it.
With Cal, you have to take the good with the bad. There is his hunky dory approach with recruiting top 15 kids, he has a template for and is a natural bullshitter. It has significant pluses - you will have a factory of NBA alum you can pride your program on, and further sell recruits on. He will always have young, exciting talent that may or may not hit.
The downside - he doesn't coach worth a damn, weak team defense, little structure to offense. Not a ton of discipline - I've seen him run practices, it's a bunch of pickup with his cliche's to the side. He relies heavily on talent. He's not really building culture, he's transacting talent.
Again, I look at it versus a program like UConn, which seems a bit militant to be honest, but Hurley is drilling those kids, is always recruiting so he has 3-4 kids rolling over with the program annually to serve as example. With Cal, if you're not in the NBA by year 3, you're washed up.
Cal gets a glimpse of the finish line and pisses down his leg. He’s one of the worst closers in sports when there’s something meaningful on the line. At least he got us one. I’m grateful for that. But it was long past time for us to move on and start trying to win championships again.
The Mark Pope hire, as bad as it was, was at least an ATTEMPT.
I just hope the new AD has the balls to make a change quickly and isn’t dumb with
contracts as Barnhardt was. Barnhardt really set UK sports back.
I feel the same way he hates Pope more than he'll ever love this program anymore. It was a great poster and now he's just screams in the wind with his large font.
You and others agree that we're in the worst decade, possibly in Kentucky history well who the hell do you think brought us here. Who the hell had a season with only nine wins, lost in the Attorney to a Catholic Church, and lost again to a law firm. I don't know if Pope is the answer, but he does have three tournament wins in the last two seasons what did Kalahari do The Four Seasons before that?
You are truly lost your **** man and I can honestly say as good a poster that you used to be as bad as you suck right now
Cal was getting the number one and two classes (ratings) every year at Kentucky. How did that work out for Championships? I seem to remember only one with a very special player.
He's never going to win one in the portal era. Take a look at the last few NC's.
Michigan - 5 transfer starters
Florida - 3 guards all transfers
UConn - SG & PG were transfers
UConn - PG was a transfers
You simply can't fit a roster into one category.
I would bet Oats is the next coach at Kentucky if Pope hasn’t proven to be a game changer in two years.
…and that’s all because of Batt.
Gonna be tough to drop Pope with the awful contract he has especially while we’re paying off Stoops for that awful contract.
I’ll go with the option of Cals time was up here. But, Pope was a reach hire. I’ll never believe there weren’t better candidates than a guy with a 60% winning percentage who never won a NCAA tournament game.
I still remember when Cal had 2 Top 8 Draft Picks on one team (including the greatest legacy in school history), refused to start either, and lost to Oakland in the First Round of the NCAA Tournament.
Both of these can be true at the same time, and UK fans seem incapable of acknowledging it:
1 - It was time for Calipari to move on.
2 - UK panicked and made a bad hire when Mark Pope was offered the job.
1 - It was time for Calipari to move on.
2 - UK panicked and made a bad hire when Mark Pope was offered the job.
Posters in this thread are saying openly that Pope was not a satisfactory hire in response to the situation. They acknowledge that fact. So far, it's proven he has failed at his assignment. Barney is at fault for that.
But CCC needed to be gone in the worst way, even before he actually left, in my opinion.
It's not that the fans here are saying they disagree with that.
What people are disagreeing with, basically - is saying we should have kept CCC around instead of Mark Pope .... just to get to a sweet sixteen and have it end there??? What does that matter ? seriously ?
That's what the original point was.
Let that sink in..... "would rather have had CCC making SS's here instead of Pope (making sweet 16's) .... ???"
Maybe the problem here is looking at sweet 16 level success isn't satisfactory here. We should do much better. Demand better. Cal eventually wasn't even able to get his talent that far when he was here.
CCC didn't make sweet sixteen's when he had said vastly superior talent, got shown the door by teams far below the talent level he had and other coaches outcoached him in front of the world to see.
No, Pope has not been the answer for us. CCC needed to be gone. But saying you'd rather trade Cal for Pope just to even get to a sweet sixteen?
that is unfathomable to even think.
Move forward and put this endless discussion about what if's where CCC is concerned to bed. He's gone, good riddance.
Unless Pope somehow pulls a miracle turnaround to his time here at Kentucky, he won't be here much longer. Then we will get a new coach to treat with. But looking back and pining for CCC is a fool's errand.
My suggestion is let go of Cal and embrace a better future without him. And if Pope doesn't get it done (and he hasn't so far) then we need to make the best hire to replace him.
Thankfully, Barney is out of that process now.
But CCC needed to be gone in the worst way, even before he actually left, in my opinion.
It's not that the fans here are saying they disagree with that.
What people are disagreeing with, basically - is saying we should have kept CCC around instead of Mark Pope .... just to get to a sweet sixteen and have it end there??? What does that matter ? seriously ?
That's what the original point was.
Let that sink in..... "would rather have had CCC making SS's here instead of Pope (making sweet 16's) .... ???"
Maybe the problem here is looking at sweet 16 level success isn't satisfactory here. We should do much better. Demand better. Cal eventually wasn't even able to get his talent that far when he was here.
CCC didn't make sweet sixteen's when he had said vastly superior talent, got shown the door by teams far below the talent level he had and other coaches outcoached him in front of the world to see.
No, Pope has not been the answer for us. CCC needed to be gone. But saying you'd rather trade Cal for Pope just to even get to a sweet sixteen?
that is unfathomable to even think.
Move forward and put this endless discussion about what if's where CCC is concerned to bed. He's gone, good riddance.
Unless Pope somehow pulls a miracle turnaround to his time here at Kentucky, he won't be here much longer. Then we will get a new coach to treat with. But looking back and pining for CCC is a fool's errand.
My suggestion is let go of Cal and embrace a better future without him. And if Pope doesn't get it done (and he hasn't so far) then we need to make the best hire to replace him.
Thankfully, Barney is out of that process now.
Great post. Well said. I would love to never see another Cal thread on this board.
This thread is not CCC love, it's 100% Pope-hate. He's using Cal to take a dump on Pope. He does it at least once a week with a new thread about CCC vs Pope. He LOVES to say "I told you so" as he and Richie went berzerk when he was hired, were trying to contact Mitch to the point there insanity had to be deleted, etc. But make no mistake, Richie wasn't going to call Mitch. He lives to stir chaos up (admitted he goes to other teams boards to do it after they lose, etc)
Selfish and self-serving on both of their parts? You betcha. Trash posts that don't deserve the attention they seek? Absolutely. But neither of them will ever stop as they get pleasure from garbage behavior.
I don’t understand the constant Cal talk. He’s gone. He coaches a rival. He’s the same as Rick Barnes, Pat Kelsey etc. No sense in even discussing him any longer unless we’re playing Arkansas.
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It’s simple. He’s using Cal to make Pope look as bad as possible because he knows most of BBN was sick of Cal. Saul was the sickest of Cal. He obsessed about his hatred of him as well. Look at his old posts and you’ll see its nothing but insanity and non-stop whining like he’s owed something.
He recently said that troll threads should be ignored so they fall to the bottom of the page. This is his weekly troll thread, so he’s FOS and is doing the very same thing here instead of practicing what he preaches. smh
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I didn’t hate Cal back then and thought people were being dramatic about Cal. Was I frustrated about his lack of postseason success by the end? Yes. Did I disagree with his views on roster construction? Yes I did. But he was a Hall of Fame coach and many of our fans just assumed you go to the dollar aisle and find an upgrade. Who could have expected that running off a HOF coach who stood on the sidelines in six Final Fours, three national championship games and won our only national title in the last 28 years and running was a bit of a bad idea?
You seem to really enjoy my content, being that you were the first person to respond and are now once again responding on page 3 of the thread. Let's see if you can respond without ad hominems or straw manning my intent. Debate the point I made, which for you should be simple. Was Mark Pope a lateral move, upgrade, or downgrade over John Calipari (in fairness, maybe you don't think there's a significant sample size)? Can you answer the question?
There's nothing trolling about this thread either. I've been here for over 25 years, if you count my other account in the early 2000s. I mean what I say. You can choose to ignore that as a newbie with a 2026 account who knows little to nothing about my history here, but you don't get to dictate my intent.
"Smh" indeed.
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He's the one proven. High D1 guy I can see working. Has enough maverick in him, stuff bounces off him, does what it takes to win.
That said, I feel like half the sketchy news in CBB the last 5 years has been Bama. I guess it's the price you pay. He's got the F4, Elite 8, S16 last year and was the first overall seed before the F4 year.
And it's not like he's doing most of it with top top talent. Has kind of groomed himself as an SEC guy, originally from Detroit. I think Hurley spotted him on the HS circuit and was impressed and then he linked up with his bro at Buffalo as an assistant.
Half the sketchy stuff? Personally, I care 0%. You aren’t hiring a pastor, you’re hiring a basketball coach.
Murders and Bediako draw concern, but then you got Golden trolling cheerleaders on IG DM, so I guess it's all good.
He is probably the guy. I'd prefer Hodgson if he works out at PC and is on the market, who assisted Oats for 4 years.
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I don’t see what concern there is. He wasn’t convicted of anything. He’s eligible to coach and he’s very good at it. Never understood the reasons why people care if the coach is a good person or not. We don’t hang banners for being nice.
I mean, that is true. There are programs that probably wouldn't touch him, but can leave that to the righteous.
I can’t understand this argument anymore when UConn has won 6 since 1999 and 3 since our lastI just laugh when our fans complain he only won one title when we had 7 before him. It’s not easy to win it. The fans turned on him. He turned on the fans. The guy looks like he is actually enjoying coaching again.
I really question any broadcaster that says UK fans are intelligent. Even now our fans will be proud and act like they’d rather lose 14 games and needing a half court shot to beat Santa Clara while he won the sec tournament and lost to the national runner up in the sweet 16. Ironically some sound like Indiana fans in 2012. “Yeah he went farther and won the SEC tournament, but it doesn’t matter because we beat him in the regular season! Boom checkmate”
I also don’t think he was done after 2015. He knocked on the door in 2017 and 2019 of the final four. People will blame him for this tournament loss or that tournament loss. Notice they never mention beating West Virginia, Ohio State and UNC in 2011. Even the 2012 title they’ll say “he almost blew it against Kansas”. Not mentioning him beating Indiana, destroying Baylor and beating a really good UL team coached by Rick Pitino who our fans think hung the moon. 2014 wins against Wichita, UL (Pitino again), Michigan and Wisconsin? Not a peep. Beat UCLA that was final four good in 2017? Who cares, but boy they’ll sure say 2019 Auburn and how he can’t coach.
He came here in our longest final four drought went to four of those. Went to a few more Elite 8s. Won a national title. The “greatest fans” question his entire ability to coach and personally say things about his family online. It’s clear who is in the wrong in this situation. Look at this thread. You gave an opinion and are met with personal insults for discussing a sports opinion on a sports board
Winning more than 1 ever 15 years is possible. Even Duke and UNC are winning titles more often than we are
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Two years?! TWO YEARS? TWO YEARS?!
Pope needs a final four or title this year to prove he has it ihmo
I hear what you’re saying…and if anyone but J Batt was AD I’d say it’s this year or bust and then you likely whiff on all the big names and end up going with an up and comer like Jai Lucas.
I don’t think with the personal relationship he has with Oats it works out that way. I think he’s keeping close eye on that buyout for Oats which goes down to zero after two years.
FWIW — this is not something I made up. There was a lot of chatter about this on the KSR side when Batt got the job. Let’s see how it shakes out.
It's monday nitro. He used that same pirates profile pic on @Baller Cal. Guy is a lunatic.
I should care about Arkansas recruiting class why exactly. I'm so sick of seeing Cals name plastered all over this site week in week out
UK does not have ESPN and the referees in our pocket. 2011,2014, and 2017 UK was taken out by officiating head to head to the advantage of two of these teams. In 2015 the rooferee took us out yet again and cleared the path for Puke as well.
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I hate Calipari for how he quit after 2019. Looking at the UCLA, OSU, and then Arkansas job where he got his hand caught.
dude under achieved at his pinnacle and he deserves a luke warm Arkansas ending to his coaching tenure .
he “should’ve” had two more final fours with 17 and 19. Instead he looked elsewhere. He doesn’t have what it takes anymore and his team reflect that.
dude under achieved at his pinnacle and he deserves a luke warm Arkansas ending to his coaching tenure .
he “should’ve” had two more final fours with 17 and 19. Instead he looked elsewhere. He doesn’t have what it takes anymore and his team reflect that.
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