College- will anyone go in ten years?

[Midnighter]

aaaaannnnddd living in your moms basement. The huge disconnect here is bands and food servers both work weekend nights. Of course someone heading at warp speed into moms basement with a stupid degree never think of these things

You say this but are preparing to move in with your son - who has a good education and job - in part to save him some money (and so you can corrupt your grandchild into being a carhead!). It’s rough out there for everyone - I’ll give artists credit - they are living at home the same as an accounting major but probably loving life more since they are doing what they are passionate about and not just something to pay the bills.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

You say this but are preparing to move in with your son - who has a good education and job - in part to save him some money (and so you can corrupt your grandchild into being a carhead!). It’s rough out there for everyone - I’ll give artists credit - they are living at home the same as an accounting major but probably loving life more since they are doing what they are passionate about and not just something to pay the bills.

See I don’t buy 5 seconds of this bull schit
This is my clove cigs/finding yourself college path. You wanna read how a broke artist really lives read Patti Smiths book

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

And new discussions include “Dad, you guys can live 2 minutes away when we move to the suburbs”
lol I’m gonna look at one more crazy compound them commit to an apt search in Fairmount

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1717-Woodland-Rd_Abington_PA_19001_M43736-04243

The 10 acre place in Downingtown was a complete schithole. We love our house here, I may look into buying a S8 and getting moms a full time driver. Probably be cheaper

 

[bdgan]

The government shouldn't be in the business of discriminating against various educational avenues and occupations based on "average ROI."

Do you think the government should reward irresponsibility and bad choices? That's what we're currently doing.
Private lenders would never loan $150k to a broke *** 18 year old art history major unless they got a government guarantee.

If you read my post it says people should be able to major in whatever they want but that doesn't mean the government should subsidize it and absorb any losses.

 

[Moogy]

You say this but are preparing to move in with your son - who has a good education and job - in part to save him some money (and so you can corrupt your grandchild into being a carhead!). It’s rough out there for everyone - I’ll give artists credit - they are living at home the same as an accounting major but probably loving life more since they are doing what they are passionate about and not just something to pay the bills.

Oh, yeah ... being an artist is a freeway to sanity and happiness. A freeway with sinkholes every 20 feet.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Do you think the government should reward irresponsibility and bad choices? That's what we're currently doing.
Private lenders would never loan $150k to a broke *** 18 year old art history major unless they got a government guarantee.

If you read my post it says people should be able to major in whatever they want but that doesn't mean the government should subsidize it and absorb any losses.

Baby Momma culture would end in one generation if tax payers stopped subsidizing it

 

[Midnighter]

See I don’t buy 5 seconds of this bull schit

 

[Grant Green]

aaaaannnnddd living in your moms basement. The huge disconnect here is bands and food servers both work weekend nights. Of course someone heading at warp speed into moms basement with a stupid degree never think of these things

@Tgar Does your son live in your basement with his masters degree in music? I'm pretty sure he doesn't.
And the musicians he plays with in Portland? I know Brent Follis does not. He owns his own house, which I think you stayed at once.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

When we took 1 and 6 of his friends to Roo ‘13 a guy carried a huge sign around for 4 days with that pic on one side and the note “you got bloomed” written on the other. I think of that every time I see this pic THANKS for the laugh

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

@Tgar Does your son live in your basement with his masters degree in music? I'm pretty sure he doesn't.
And the musicians he plays with in Portland? I know Brent Follis does not. He owns his own house, which I think you stayed at once.

Ok

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

@Tgar Does your son live in your basement with his masters degree in music? I'm pretty sure he doesn't.
And the musicians he plays with in Portland? I know Brent Follis does not. He owns his own house, which I think you stayed at once.

does he have roommates?

 

[Marshall2323]

If the sport continues largely unregulated, I see the future to be much like minor league baseball, As currently constructed, coaches and players are perpetual free agents, building a program is a myth. With approximately 50% roster turnover, you can't tell the players without a game program.

 

[Grant Green]

does he have roommates?

No, assuming that he didn't get back with the crazy woman he was dating. Great musician, but bad choices with the opposite sex.

 

[psuro]

Vassar grads marry well and sit on their decks in Nantucket and Montauk not thinking about Penn State….

Vassar grads not thinking of Penn State.

 

[Catch1lion]

Poo


Vassar’s endowment is about $1.2bn with an enrollment of fewer than 3,000. Penn State’s endowment is about $4.2bn with an enrollment of more than 10x that. I think Vassar will be fine given its constituents.

Art mentioned a long time ago that endowments often are ear marked only for certain expenditures, and not to be used for general expenses.
Recent WSJ--
Nearly 200 private colleges borrowed from restricted endowments in 2025, up from 131 in 2021, according to estimates from Perspective Data Science, a higher-education financial consultant. Schools used most of the money for everyday expenses, said Matthew Hendricks, the company’s founder.

“This is going to be a huge problem as small colleges close,” said Joanne Florino, a fellow at Philanthropy Roundtable, a nonprofit organization that advocates on behalf of philanthropists. “A lot of living donors are finding out the money they donated is not being used for what they gave it for.”

Kansas, Kentucky, Georgia and Montana have passed legislation in the past few years making it easier for donors to take legal action against nonprofit organizations, including colleges, that use restricted gifts outside the intended terms. The Roundtable pushed for the legislation amid growing concerns about the possibility of misuse, said Florino.
_________
It is going to be interesting. My son is at Rockefeller. When NIH and other government funding got withheld, I was a little worried. He said dad we are going to be all right. Enrollment 281, and endowment of $3 billion.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Rockefeller School of Theatre?

 

[Catch1lion]

Rockefeller School of Theatre?

Yeah, he's auditioning for the role of Watson or Crick in the next production.

- The Rockefeller University

www.rockefeller.edu

 

[Tgar]

@Tgar Does your son live in your basement with his masters degree in music? I'm pretty sure he doesn't.
And the musicians he plays with in Portland? I know Brent Follis does not. He owns his own house, which I think you stayed at once.

Yeah, no, he has his own place and while he will never be wealthy, he lives one of the most interesting and unique lives on the planet. A remarkable life in fact. Since Tgar knows the Big Rick ctually pays for live and recorded music, Tgar will refrain from trashing the Big Guy as his heart is in the right place while he also paints with a broad brush.

Yes, Mr. Follis has his own place and numerous others in the Portland scene as well.

 

[Bison13]

Vassar is known to be a style over substance university.

Actually have a family friend whose kid went there for sports ... he was a smart kid, but not elite (not your typically admitted unconnected elite intellect at an Ivy or equivalent). The family is well off, but not generationally wealthy. The kid's initial report back was that it was filled with idiot rich kids who just wanted to get high/drunk all the time.

My guess is Vassar survives any educational purge because status-seekers want a place to park their undeserving children.

I’m pretty good friends with one of their former baseball coaches at Vassar. Initially, he thought it would be a great job but turned out exactly like you said. Kids expected spots on the roster and they get playing time because of who their relatives were. I think he lasted two years there before moving on.

 

[Tgar]

does he have roommates?

His long standing GF who has her own business as well. They also have two great dogs that occupy their living space.

 

[Tgar]

No, assuming that he didn't get back with the crazy woman he was dating. Great musician, but bad choices with the opposite sex.

Yeah, he has moved on from Cray Cray but Tgar found her to be fun and entertaining until she……wasn’t. Maybe one too many trips trying find Big Rick at Burning Man. Bonaroo was too tame and lame for her.

 

[Tgar]

Btw @Grant Green Tgar knows Big Rick would be devastated if AI took over all live and collaborative music.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Your kids, years removed from their "practical, useful educations," are moving back into mom's basement ... so, maybe they should have taken a different route?

Actually we’d be moving into “their” basement

 

[step.eng69]

my richest friends have law degees and masters (200 acre Texas ranch)

If your friends have law degrees, then they have their Juris Doctor, not masters, allowing them to qualify and sit for the bar exam.
Just my opinion

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

If your friends have law degrees, then they have their Juris Doctor, not masters, allowing them to qualify and sit for the bar exam.
Just my opinion

wut?

 

[Steve JG]

Yeah, he has moved on from Cray Cray but Tgar found her to be fun and entertaining until she……wasn’t. Maybe one too many trips trying find Big Rick at Burning Man. Bonaroo was too tame and lame for her.

what about the one hurking all that red wine in back seat on way to PennState game?

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

I’m pretty good friends with one of their former baseball coaches at Vassar. Initially, he thought it would be a great job but turned out exactly like you said. Kids expected spots on the roster and they get playing time because of who their relatives were. I think he lasted two years there before moving on.

Are you finding a spot for son1? I’m thinking he should be finishing hs soon? Good times miss it lots

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

what about the one hurking all that red wine in back seat on way to PennState game?

Like a packiederm

 

[Grant Green]

Yeah, he has moved on from Cray Cray but Tgar found her to be fun and entertaining until she……wasn’t. Maybe one too many trips trying find Big Rick at Burning Man. Bonaroo was too tame and lame for her.

I hope so. I need to meet up with him. Last time we had a beer, she was attempting to make amends and I urged him not to take her back. He had 3 or 4 other attractive women lined up on some dating app and I said he would be foolish not to play the field.

Btw @Grant Green Tgar knows Big Rick would be devastated if AI took over all live and collaborative music.

Yeah, me too. There are few things that bother me more than AI created music.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Yeah, no, he has his own place and while he will never be wealthy, he lives one of the most interesting and unique lives on the planet. A remarkable life in fact. Since Tgar knows the Big Rick ctually pays for live and recorded music, Tgar will refrain from trashing the Big Guy as his heart is in the right place while he also paints with a broad brush.

Yes, Mr. Follis has his own place and numerous others in the Portland scene as well.

No offense my bro and if I hadn’t met moms senior year I’d be in San Diego bartending surfing and fronting terrible punk outfits. But if that’s what happened there’d be no 1 n 2, which was always my dream, all else a distant second.

 

[Moogy]

Do you think the government should reward irresponsibility and bad choices?

No, this is why I'm for identifying the best students at a very early age, and then refusing to fund public schooling for anyone other than the top 1%. MAYBE the top 2% (but we'll have to keep a watchful eye on those wannabes). Eff dem kids, amirite? They have an extremely low ROI, and we can determine this by age 6 or 7. The rest are on their own. It's the parents' problem, not the government's. The world needs ditch diggers, too. Lots of them.

That's what we're currently doing.

So let's dive into it for real ... rather than some cursory ROI by major (who defines how ROI is actually calc'ed in this space, btw? what is that calc?), let's go student by student. Let's rip the funding away from a lower performing high school student going to a 90% acceptance rate school and ensure the top student at a premier university gets it. Let's get granular, so we can actually make proper financial decisions, rather than just doing some weak cursory examination and broad-brushing this in an extremely inefficient fashion.

Private lenders would never loan $150k to a broke *** 18 year old art history major unless they got a government guarantee.

If you read my post it says people should be able to major in whatever they want but that doesn't mean the government should subsidize it and absorb any losses.

I personally believe education is EXTREMELY important. I think we should be ensuring MORE education, not less. I think society, as a whole, benefits from a more educated populace, in many, many ways. I believe government, specifically, shouldn't be making "business decisions" with the educational lives of our kids hanging in the balance. That doesn't mean they, of course, can't be financially prudent ... but that prudence shouldn't specifically limit the opportunities for the education of our "youth" (and, yes, that includes our 17-21 year olds).

 

[Tgar]

what about the one hurking all that red wine in back seat on way to PennState game?

Gina Gina Bobina. One of my all time favorite young vessels of energy and love on this planet. Alas, no longer part of the scene.

 

[Big_O]

I have 2 daughters who were good in art, music and science. The oldest has a doctorate in NucE from GA Tech and has a very good job at a national laboratory.

The younger daughter wanted to go the art route (she is very talented) but also thought about engineering. I told her she could pursue art, but as an art education major so she would have a viable job after college. She would have had a BFA but had to change schools after two and a half years because the school she was attending decided to become a STEM school and pretty much ended her major. She did finish her studio work before transferring so even though she graduated summa *** laude with a BS, she really has a BFA when it comes down to it. She taught HS art in Naples and Orlando, FL and then parlayed that experience into a good paying job designing and implementing courses for the military for a 6 figure income.

It just shows that if you play your cards right with your educational experience and are highly motivated, you can still do well in your career.

 

[G3624]

But if college is unnecessary due to AI, then the rich kids will just sit on their yots with scones and lattes.

And will need baristas.

 

[ApexLion]

Given the issues at lower education levels, the better question is

"Will anyone really be qualified to attend college in 10 years?"

Certainly not Heather Dinich

 

[NEPA Lion]

I have 2 daughters who were good in art, music and science. The oldest has a doctorate in NucE from GA Tech and has a very good job at a national laboratory.

The younger daughter wanted to go the art route (she is very talented) but also thought about engineering. I told her she could pursue art, but as an art education major so she would have a viable job after college. She would have had a BFA but had to change schools after two and a half years because the school she was attending decided to become a STEM school and pretty much ended her major. She did finish her studio work before transferring so even though she graduated summa *** laude with a BS, she really has a BFA when it comes down to it. She taught HS art in Naples and Orlando, FL and then parlayed that experience into a good paying job designing and implementing courses for the military for a 6 figure income.

It just shows that if you play your cards right with your educational experience and are highly motivated, you can still do well in your career.

You are a good father, whose advice kept them on the right path.

 

[LionJim]

You are a good father, whose advice kept them on the right path.

Yes, there are a lot of role models on this board.

 

[LionsAndBears]

Yes. The big name schools will still be very much around. Smaller, liberal arts schools will be far fewer in number.

My Alma Mater (BSCJ), Albright, is close to going belly up. Stinks, because their adult program really helped a lot of people like myself start second careers.

 

[PSUHarry]

Honestly outside of hard science or engineering majors this isn’t true. The number of wealthy people I know with LA degrees is staggering. It’s really about connections, networking, and getting good internships. People who can write well, synthesize ideas, defend a position, speak in public, and form coalitions are extremely valuable and really do all of the non-scientific work in the country. It’s not hard - be charismatic and swift on your feet and you’ll be fine - regardless of major.

Anyone who can think analytically and critically regardless of their major is employable. Employers want people who can solve problems in their organization.

 

[LionJim]

Anyone who can think analytically and critically regardless of their major is employable. Employers want people who can solve problems in their organization.

I have a cousin who is a Physics/Classics double major at U Virginia. She’ll be fine.