Which 2028 Presidential Candidate Would You Vote For?

[other1]

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Maybe Sen. Mark Kelly

 

[AllStars]

Can we get a None of the Above. I'd like that.

So then who's forcing you to vote for them?.................

Fortunately you all still have time to manipulate the voting for better candidates.

If people honestly wanted to, in this country, you could have a man run as an Independent for President going by the name of Turd Ferguson, and to show what a f***ing farce our election process has become, garner enough people, as part of one massive troll job, to vote for him as President. And while he wouldn't be allowed to become President because our government wouldn't allow that regardless of how lopsided the voting would be, it would still send a significant message to our government that if you aren't going to give us serious candidates, then we aren't going to take your election seriously.....................


Food for thought.

 

[dpic73]

*** I am not a Pennsylvanian so I am speculating also.


I think everyone is viewed as a lesser of evils at this point and Dems are going to have to weigh supporting a guy they dont really like, which will inevitably get the democrats of PA to vote for him, or paying to prop another person the dems may or may not like. While I dont think "Republicans will get fetterman elected" the dems have to account for some cross platform votes for him whereas the new person will get very little.

2 cents.

What makes you think Pennsylvanians don't like Conor Lamb? He may have lost to Fetterman in 22 but no way he'd lose to him again in 2028 if he chooses to run, IMO.

Fetterman faces Democratic pushback as Lamb tours Pennsylvania

Conor Lamb lost to John Fetterman in the U.S. Senate primary in 2022. Will he run again?

www.spotlightpa.org

 

[other1]

Possibly, but my Cuckometer ratings have him markedly lower than Rubio and Vance, and as such his cuckery is more acceptable.

Advance wears eye makeup and has changed his name twice. Little Marco is, well, Little and we don't need a midget in the Boondoggle Ballroom.

 

[Rifler]

Multiple votes should be allowed in this poll...

 

[WDDT]

What makes you think Pennsylvanians don't like Conor Lamb? He may have lost to Fetterman in 22 but no way he'd lose to him again in 2028 if he chooses to run, IMO.

Fetterman faces Democratic pushback as Lamb tours Pennsylvania

Conor Lamb lost to John Fetterman in the U.S. Senate primary in 2022. Will he run again?

www.spotlightpa.org

"No way".


It would take money to get him competitive and the dems are not swimming in Maseratis.

Run Newsome if you want

 

[dpic73]

"No way".


It would take money to get him competitive and the dems are not swimming in Maseratis.

Run Newsome if you want

Lamb could win with a couple of Honda Passports IMO.

I don't want to run Newsom, but he's the best option in this poll.

 

[Aardvark86]

You had me until the last sentence.

I'd prefer it as:
If you literally can't, choose the one that will do the least harm.

Fair enough, and trust me I have mulled that very question long and hard.

 

[Torbee]

From the list in the OP, I'd be voting Lawrence Taylor again. Dominique Wilkins as VP.

Get Herschel Walker and Tommy Tuberville in and we have the makings of sports Boogaloo!

 

[DoubleDutch]

Get Herschel Walker and Tommy Tuberville in the cabinet and we have the makings of Idiocracy 2 Sports Boogaloo!

Like lunchbox and me. Only our sport is a little different.

 

[LunchBox50]

Like lunchbox and me. Only our sport is a little different.

 

[DoubleDutch]

Stop hiding. Come out with me.

 

[baltimorened]

Are you paying attention to the subject and the poll options?

absolutely, by the way, just heard that in the polymarket site Ossoff is number 2 behind Newsom

 

[baltimorened]

This time more than ever because we can't let them get away with this obscene level of corruptiuon(that you don't care about) or let's say they corruptly jail their political enemies - we'll need pardon power to free them. Sorry dude, you reap what you sow.

you must have me confused...I have posted just recently my opinion on the corruption in DC...

insofar as jailing their political enemies, isn't that what you've been posting..about how the next administration is going after the corrupt MAGA

And, I'm all for going after anyone, Democrat or republican, who violates the law.

 

[dpic73]

absolutely, by the way, just heard that in the polymarket site Ossoff is number 2 behind Newsom

So if it's a poll about who you'd pick between Newsom, AOC, Vance or Rubio, why would you be asking me what happened to Ossoff?

 

[baltimorened]

Every state had to deal with Covid, not just CA.

People are voting with their feet and leaving CA
Faster than all but 45 states.

And Democrats think he will win on the national stage? I don’t buy it. People are fleeing g his policies already.

I don't know Gavin has done such a good job..banned gas powered carts, highest gas prices in the country, largest homeless population in the country, bridge to nowhere, high speed rail significantly over budget and behind schedule, high state taxes....

Seems like for the Democrat platform...not the dem socialist...he fits the narrative perfectly

 

[dpic73]

you must have me confused...I have posted just recently my opinion on the corruption in DC...

insofar as jailing their political enemies, isn't that what you've been posting..about how the next administration is going after the corrupt MAGA

And, I'm all for going after anyone, Democrat or republican, who violates the law.

You've stated several times that if they win you wish Dems would move on and not focus on Trump's second term and to that I say, you can't let that level of corruption go unpunished, which cannot be compared to the current administration's attempts to jail innocent people that they don't like. Trump is a real criminal, a treasonous one, looting this country at a scale that cannot be ignored. If we do, it would open the door to the next corrupt president who may even be worse. There have to be consequences.

 

[baltimorened]

What makes you think Pennsylvanians don't like Conor Lamb? He may have lost to Fetterman in 22 but no way he'd lose to him again in 2028 if he chooses to run, IMO.

Fetterman faces Democratic pushback as Lamb tours Pennsylvania

Conor Lamb lost to John Fetterman in the U.S. Senate primary in 2022. Will he run again?

www.spotlightpa.org

has anyone ever heard a member of either party say publicly that his/her party is going to lose the next election?

 

[baltimorened]

You've stated several times that if they win you wish Dems would move on and not focus on Trump's second term and to that I say, you can't let that level of corruption go unpunished, which cannot be compared to the current administration's attempts to jail innocent people that they don't like. Trump is a real criminal, a treasonous one, looting this country at a scale that cannot be ignored. If we do, it would open the door to the next corrupt president who may even be worse. There have to be consequences.

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no, you might have interpreted it that way, but what I said, or meant to say, was that I think it's more important for the next administration to look forward as opposed to backward. You can spend a lot of time investigating trump or any other person you want, but that doesn't get the American people healthcare, or solve the immigration issues.

I watched that video...

 

[dpic73]

has anyone ever heard a member of either party say publicly that his/her party is going to lose the next election?

Yes

 

[dpic73]

no, you might have interpreted it that way, but what I said, or meant to say, was that I think it's more important for the next administration to look forward as opposed to backward. You can spend a lot of time investigating trump or any other person you want, but that doesn't get the American people healthcare, or solve the immigration issues.

I watched that video...

Gum, it can be chewed while you walk.

 

[Huey Grey 2]

no, you might have interpreted it that way, but what I said, or meant to say, was that I think it's more important for the next administration to look forward as opposed to backward. You can spend a lot of time investigating trump or any other person you want, but that doesn't get the American people healthcare, or solve the immigration issues.

I watched that video...

So let me get this straight. Trump gets to break everything. Solve nothing. Be the most corrupt president ever. And the democrats reward is to clean it all up. Solve our real problems. Let Trump go completely free. And then people like you will keep voting Republican anyway?

 

[baltimorened]

Gum, it can be chewed while you walk.

the guy in that video should do one about members of Congress and their wealth growth before and after their elections...both parties.

Not trying to deflect from trump, because everybody who cares already knows about his wealth this term, but just adding to the corruption in DC

 

[Huey Grey 2]

the guy in that video should do one about members of Congress and their wealth growth before and after their elections...both parties.

Not trying to deflect from trump, because everybody who cares already knows about his wealth this term, but just adding to the corruption in DC

My god, you're smug. Trump has increased his wealth by over $2 billion. There is no equivalent to this. No other president in history has done this. None. Yet you will keep letting him off the hook and pretend that all presidents do this.

Your dishonesty is disgusting.

 

[Torbee]

the guy in that video should do one about members of Congress and their wealth growth before and after their elections...both parties.

Not trying to deflect from trump, because everybody who cares already knows about his wealth this term, but just adding to the corruption in DC

 

[gohawks50]

unlike some of the other candidates, AOC will be asked to answer for her Democrat socialist comrade's platforms. I'm not sure how that would go given that 77% of independents are anti socialism

If 77% of independents truly rejected everything associated with democratic socialism, then why do many of the policies AOC advocates—like lowering prescription drug costs, expanding access to health care, paid family leave, higher taxes on the ultra-wealthy, and infrastructure investment—often poll well individually? It seems many voters don't like the socialist label, but like policies and programs that have socialist aspects.

Do you think a candidate could get elected by opposing Medicare, Social Security, veterans' benefits, public libraries, the interstate highway system, and government disaster relief?

 

[LafayetteBear]

Still not hearing much comparable to Gavin, by a couple of lifetimes.

Doesn't a member of Congress manage a congressional office, both in D.C. and in his or her home district? Doesn't that include managing the staff who work in those offices?

Donald Trump had management experience before he ran for president, but so what?! He has proven himself to be an inept manager whenever he had that responsibility. He ran a casino into the ground, even following a big cash infusion from his dad. He bankrupted numerous companies. His management of the federal bureaucracy, not to mention the military, is simply horrendous.

In any event, I think management experience is useful, but that it is FAR from the most important criterion for an aspiring presidential candidate. A politician's ability to articulate and build public support for his or her public policy positions is much more important, IMHO. Reagan and Obama were both successful in no small part because they had the ability to do that.

 

[BelemNole]

I don't know Gavin has done such a good job..banned gas powered carts, highest gas prices in the country, largest homeless population in the country, bridge to nowhere, high speed rail significantly over budget and behind schedule, high state taxes....

Seems like for the Democrat platform...not the dem socialist...he fits the narrative perfectly

Tell me you drink Fox News kool-aide without telling me you drink Fox News kool-aide.

 

[Aardvark86]

Doesn't a member of Congress manage a congressional office, both in D.C. and in his or her home district? Doesn't that include managing the staff who work in those offices?

Donald Trump had management experience before he ran for president, but so what?! He has proven himself to be an inept manager whenever he had that responsibility. He ran a casino into the ground, even following a big cash infusion from his dad. He bankrupted numerous companies. His management of the federal bureaucracy, not to mention the military, is simply horrendous.

In any event, I think management experience is useful, but that it is FAR from the most important criterion for an aspiring presidential candidate. A politician's ability to articulate and build public support for his or her public policy positions is much more important, IMHO. Reagan and Obama were both successful in no small part because they had the ability to do that.

Actually, the chief of staff does that, and the 'congressional office' of 22 headcount exists to serve the rep. either way, it's not even in the adjacent universe to managing a state like California (even taking into account CA's relative political homogeneity).

 

[LafayetteBear]

well then democrats better dump this Democrat socialist group and their platform. According to CNN, over 70% of independents don't like socialism.

But according to CNN again, democrats are supporting socialism by a +17 %...So what you could have are Democrat socialist candidates elected in their primaries depending on independents, who are anti socialism, in general elections Always interesting....

Spoken like a committed MAGA acolyte. Independents don't like Social Security, Medicare, a 5-day work week or federal inspection of medicines, meats, mines, and mergers? (And that's just the M's.) Independents don't like federal regulation of our airwaves, or of air travel? At one time, ALL of those things were called "socialist," especially by Republicans.

I'm surprised that you haven't rolled out the words "communist" and "commie" more frequently of late, as that is MAGA World's new campaign "stragedy." Paint Democrats and RINO's as "commies." Good luck to you and your Orange Guru with that one.

 

[LafayetteBear]

And Democrats think he will win on the national stage? I don’t buy it. People are fleeing g his policies already.

How's the Iran War going? Has the Strait of Hormuz been reopened? Crude oil prices are going back down, right? Canada and the NATO countries love and respect us more than ever, right? Trump's polling numbers are skyrocketing, right?

"People are fleeing his policies." ROFL ...

 

[Rifler]

If 77% of independents truly rejected everything associated with democratic socialism, then why do many of the policies AOC advocates—like lowering prescription drug costs, expanding access to health care, paid family leave, higher taxes on the ultra-wealthy, and infrastructure investment—often poll well individually?

Lots of people enjoy weed,.. most of those people won't touch a needle.

 

[gohawks50]

Lots of people enjoy weed,.. most of those people won't touch a needle.

What "needles" are the Democratic socialists offering?

 

[LafayetteBear]

Actually, the chief of staff does that, and the 'congressional office' of 22 headcount exists to serve the rep. either way, it's not even in the adjacent universe to managing a state like California (even taking into account CA's relative political homogeneity).

1. Who manages the Chief of Staff? Who is ultimately responsible for those congressional offices? Rhetorical question, Farley.

2. I'm certainly not arguing that management experience is not useful. I'm arguing that it is not the most important criterion. If management experience was as important as you are apparently suggesting, then the major political parties would presumably have a history of scouting Fortune 500 executive suites for prospective presidential candidates, no?

 

[Torbee]

Tell me you drink Fox News kool-aide without telling me you drink Fox News kool-aide.

Let's try and fact check the claims, using verified sources. Note, I am using Ed's exact words (with obvious errors like cart instead of cars corrected):

1. banned gas powered cars:
VERDICT - FALSE:

No. That claim is misleading.

What California adopted was a plan to phase out sales of new, fully gasoline-powered passenger cars and light trucks beginning with the 2035 model year. It was not a ban on owning, driving or repairing gasoline vehicles. Californians could continue driving existing gas cars indefinitely and buying or selling them on the used-car market. Qualifying plug-in hybrids were also included among the vehicles manufacturers could sell under the rule.

Gavin Newsom did issue a 2020 executive order establishing the 2035 goal, but the enforceable standards were subsequently written and approved by the California Air Resources Board in 2022. So “Newsom personally ordered gas vehicles banned” compresses several steps into an inaccurate slogan.

2. highest gas prices in the country
VERDICT - TRUE (with a caveat):


Yes—as of July 28, 2026, California has the highest statewide average price for regular gasoline in the United States.

AAA’s current averages are:

• California: $5.647 per gallon
• Hawaii: $5.447
• National average: $4.099

That puts California about $1.55 per gallon above the national average.

There is one caveat: rankings fluctuate, so “California always has the highest gas prices” would be too categorical. California and Hawaii typically occupy the top positions, and California is currently No. 1 for regular gasoline. For diesel, Hawaii is presently slightly higher: $6.945 versus California’s $6.889.

California’s own Energy Commission attributes its consistently high prices to a combination of:

• an isolated fuel market with limited ability to import replacement gasoline quickly;
• the state’s specialized cleaner-burning gasoline blend;
• taxes and environmental-program costs;
• refinery, distribution and marketing costs and margins.

So unlike the earlier “California banned gas cars” claim, “California has the highest gas prices in the country” is currently factually correct, provided the speaker means the average price of regular gasoline.

3. largest homeless population in the country
VERDICT: FALSE

California does have the highest homelessness rate per capita. In the 2024 HUD data, California had about 48 homeless people per 10,000 residents, while New York had about 81 per 10,000 and Washington, D.C., was higher still.

4. There is a " bridge to nowhere" in California
VERDICT: FALSE (if referring to a Gavin Newsom led project):


California has a literal landmark called the “Bridge to Nowhere.” But it is not a Gavin Newsom project or a recent state spending scandal.

The concrete arch bridge was completed in 1936 in the San Gabriel Mountains as part of a planned highway connecting the Los Angeles area with Wrightwood. A major 1938 flood washed away much of the unfinished road, and the highway project was abandoned, leaving the bridge isolated several miles from the nearest road.

It still exists and is now a hiking destination on the East Fork of the San Gabriel River; the Forest Service itself refers to it as the Bridge to Nowhere, and the privately owned area around it has been used for bungee jumping.

So:

“There is a Bridge to Nowhere in California” — true.
“Newsom wasted money building a bridge to nowhere” — false, if this historic bridge is what they mean.

Critics have also applied the same nickname to portions of California’s unfinished high-speed-rail system and to a wildlife crossing over U.S. 101, but in those cases “bridge to nowhere” is political rhetoric, not the project’s actual name or intended function.

4. California's "high speed rail significantly over budget and behind schedule"
VERDICT: TRUE

Yes. “Significantly over budget and behind schedule” is a fair and well-supported description of California’s high-speed-rail project. Unlike some of the political claims you’ve been checking, this one survives scrutiny.

Over budget​

The project’s 2008 business plan estimated that the Los Angeles/Anaheim–San Francisco line would cost approximately $32.8 billion to $33.6 billion in 2008 dollars.

The authority’s 2026 business plan now estimates:

• $126.1 billion for a redesigned, “optimized” Phase 1 system.
• Approximately $231.3 billion for the fuller buildout under its current bottom-up estimating method.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So we can charitably say only half of what you claimed was false. Which, to be fair, is a higher percentage than most Fox News claims in terms of accuracy. So you are only a partial bullshitter.

Congrats?

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Doesn't a member of Congress manage a congressional office, both in D.C. and in his or her home district? Doesn't that include managing the staff who work in those offices?

Donald Trump had management experience before he ran for president, but so what?! He has proven himself to be an inept manager whenever he had that responsibility. He ran a casino into the ground, even following a big cash infusion from his dad. He bankrupted numerous companies. His management of the federal bureaucracy, not to mention the military, is simply horrendous.

In any event, I think management experience is useful, but that it is FAR from the most important criterion for an aspiring presidential candidate. A politician's ability to articulate and build public support for his or her public policy positions is much more important, IMHO. Reagan and Obama were both successful in no small part because they had the ability to do that.

I mean, I don't think AOC has as much experience as I'd like either.

But like, she's clearly more than a "bartender" or "waitress" or whatever was used to try to denigrate her.

 

[WDDT]

Let's try and fact check the claims, using verified sources. Note, I am using Ed's exact words (with obvious errors like cart instead of cars corrected):

1. banned gas powered cars:
VERDICT - FALSE:

No. That claim is misleading.

What California adopted was a plan to phase out sales of new, fully gasoline-powered passenger cars and light trucks beginning with the 2035 model year. It was not a ban on owning, driving or repairing gasoline vehicles. Californians could continue driving existing gas cars indefinitely and buying or selling them on the used-car market. Qualifying plug-in hybrids were also included among the vehicles manufacturers could sell under the rule.

Gavin Newsom did issue a 2020 executive order establishing the 2035 goal, but the enforceable standards were subsequently written and approved by the California Air Resources Board in 2022. So “Newsom personally ordered gas vehicles banned” compresses several steps into an inaccurate slogan.

2. highest gas prices in the country
VERDICT - TRUE (with a caveat):


Yes—as of July 28, 2026, California has the highest statewide average price for regular gasoline in the United States.

AAA’s current averages are:

• California: $5.647 per gallon
• Hawaii: $5.447
• National average: $4.099

That puts California about $1.55 per gallon above the national average.

There is one caveat: rankings fluctuate, so “California always has the highest gas prices” would be too categorical. California and Hawaii typically occupy the top positions, and California is currently No. 1 for regular gasoline. For diesel, Hawaii is presently slightly higher: $6.945 versus California’s $6.889.

California’s own Energy Commission attributes its consistently high prices to a combination of:

• an isolated fuel market with limited ability to import replacement gasoline quickly;
• the state’s specialized cleaner-burning gasoline blend;
• taxes and environmental-program costs;
• refinery, distribution and marketing costs and margins.

So unlike the earlier “California banned gas cars” claim, “California has the highest gas prices in the country” is currently factually correct, provided the speaker means the average price of regular gasoline.

3. largest homeless population in the country
VERDICT: FALSE

California does have the highest homelessness rate per capita. In the 2024 HUD data, California had about 48 homeless people per 10,000 residents, while New York had about 81 per 10,000 and Washington, D.C., was higher still.

4. There is a " bridge to nowhere" in California
VERDICT: FALSE (if referring to a Gavin Newsom led project):


California has a literal landmark called the “Bridge to Nowhere.” But it is not a Gavin Newsom project or a recent state spending scandal.

The concrete arch bridge was completed in 1936 in the San Gabriel Mountains as part of a planned highway connecting the Los Angeles area with Wrightwood. A major 1938 flood washed away much of the unfinished road, and the highway project was abandoned, leaving the bridge isolated several miles from the nearest road.

It still exists and is now a hiking destination on the East Fork of the San Gabriel River; the Forest Service itself refers to it as the Bridge to Nowhere, and the privately owned area around it has been used for bungee jumping.

So:



Critics have also applied the same nickname to portions of California’s unfinished high-speed-rail system and to a wildlife crossing over U.S. 101, but in those cases “bridge to nowhere” is political rhetoric, not the project’s actual name or intended function.

4. California's "high speed rail significantly over budget and behind schedule"
VERDICT: TRUE

Yes. “Significantly over budget and behind schedule” is a fair and well-supported description of California’s high-speed-rail project. Unlike some of the political claims you’ve been checking, this one survives scrutiny.

Over budget​

The project’s 2008 business plan estimated that the Los Angeles/Anaheim–San Francisco line would cost approximately $32.8 billion to $33.6 billion in 2008 dollars.

The authority’s 2026 business plan now estimates:

• $126.1 billion for a redesigned, “optimized” Phase 1 system.
• Approximately $231.3 billion for the fuller buildout under its current bottom-up estimating method.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So we can charitably say only half of what you claimed was false. Which, to be fair, is a higher percentage than most Fox News claims in terms of accuracy. So you are only a partial bullshitter.

Congrats?

You realize your "false" are hanging on to contingencies like banning gas cars isnt the same as saying no more after 2035 can be created and yet you think you have something...... and California doesnt have the highest homelessness it just has the highest per capita......

 

[Aardvark86]

1. Who manages the Chief of Staff? Who is ultimately responsible for those congressional offices? Rhetorical question, Farley.

2. I'm certainly not arguing that management experience is not useful. I'm arguing that it is not the most important criterion. If management experience was as important as you are apparently suggesting, then the major political parties would presumably have a history of scouting Fortune 500 executive suites for prospective presidential candidates, no?

I actually think it's essential if you're actually taking on a management position, if not the biggest management position in the country, if not the biggest management position in the entire freaking world. The legislative skill set is entirely different, and far more wide-open, and rightfully so, and particularly at the house level.

Again, I'd take Newsome's management of the government of a territory of 40 million over AOC's legislative representation of a relatively homogeneous population of 700k and management of a staff of 18, each and every day and twice on Sunday.

 

[Huey Grey 2]

I actually think it's essential if you're actually taking on a management position, if not the biggest management position in the country, if not the biggest management position in the entire freaking world. The legislative skill set is entirely different, and far more wide-open, and rightfully so, and particularly at the house level.

Again, I'd take Newsome's management of the government of a territory of 40 million over AOC's legislative representation of a relatively homogeneous population of 700k and management of a staff of 18, each and every day and twice on Sunday.

I wouldn't. Gavin sucks. I'd definitely take AOC over him three times on Sunday and Seven times every day of the week.

 

[Aardvark86]

I wouldn't. Gavin sucks. I'd definitely take AOC over him three times on Sunday and Seven times every day of the week.

dont get me wrong i think they both suck.

If i were looking at a d governor, I'd probably put both Shapiro and Beshear in front of them. each has at least a little bit of "go sell crazy someplace else" about them.