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Man you’re the one with TDS. Total denial syndrome. Trump was never and will never do anything to his boy Fauci. That would require him to admit he ****** up.
Trump knew the truth while in office, I don’t get why everyone here gives him a pass and then says F the left. Actually F them all is the right answer.
 
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Now you've done it. Unicoach is going to vomit what he can find on X to defend the data centers.

I will defend them. They generate growth and jobs, and are likely to assist in making most of our lives better.

Development has some level of downside. But I’d rather live next to a data center than a factory, and both are necessary for a high functioning society in the 2020s.

Even better … many can be built somewhat away from populated areas.
 

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I will defend them. They generate growth and jobs, and are likely to assist in making most of our lives better.

Development has some level of downside. But I’d rather live next to a data center than a factory, and both are necessary for a high functioning society in the 2020s.

Even better … many can be built somewhat away from populated areas.
That last line is the problem, they don’t want them in the middle of nowhere because the infrastructure isn’t there and the projects don’t pencil out.
 
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This is an excellent article about the technology that is changing modern warfare and has suddenly given Ukraine life. (it also is a technology Russia is giving Iran to attack ships in the Strait of Hormuz).

AI is real and it starts with data centers. In my reading, China is heavily into military applications of AI. What is scary is this technology is not expensive and will be readily available to terrorists if someone gives it to them. Hezbollah, the Houthis, people in the US. It could be anybody or many anybodies. AI has a dark side.


ps. notice that Elon Musk gets a big assist. Starlink satellites enable Ukraine's drones.
 
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That last line is the problem, they don’t want them in the middle of nowhere because the infrastructure isn’t there and the projects don’t pencil out.

Entirely wrong. The developers prefer rural areas because it limits the opposition/complaints. Plus the land is cheaper.

 

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I know his base will not fault him for the biggest failure in the modern history of the USA. It says more about his base than anything else. He was the leader of the country and let Fauci take the reins. And he has been silent while Rand Paul attempts to bring the truth to the American people. Pretty telling.
Trump this morning. What were you saying about Trump's silence on Fauci?



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2 days ago you thought every continent on the planet was having a lower than normal fire season because (checks notes) you were fooled by someone on social media. You’re the drama queen. You’re posting inaccurate info at all times of day and night, haha. Greenland, good stuff.
I was not fooled. You never read the X post close enough. Truly moronic. The post said lowest amount of fires through June of 2026 with the disclaimer of we will have to see how the rest of the year goes.

According to the Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service (CAMS) Global Fire Assimilation System (GFAS), the first half of 2026 (1 January–30 June) recorded the lowest global biomass burning emissions in the 24-year satellite record (2003–present). Total estimated carbon emissions stayed just below 400 megatonnes of carbon, continuing a longer-term downward trend driven mainly by reduced seasonal burning in tropical Africa.

Burned-area data from the Global Wildfire Information System (GWIS, based on NASA MODIS/VIIRS satellites) similarly showed cumulative global burned area running at or near record lows for much of the period through mid-year, with every continent below the recent average and Africa, the Americas, and Europe at particularly low levels relative to 2012–2025. Africa dominates global burned-area totals because of extensive savanna and agricultural fires, so quieter conditions there strongly pull the worldwide numbers down.

Important context

• Emissions vs. area: Biomass-burning emissions (what CAMS tracks) and burned area (what GWIS tracks) are related but not identical metrics. Both pointed lower in H1 2026.

• Regional variation: Northern Hemisphere boreal activity (Canada, Siberia) was quieter early on and only ramped up later in June. Southern Hemisphere saw some intense early activity (e.g., parts of Australia and South America), but it was not enough to offset the global decline.

• July shift: The large European fires (Spain, France) and increased Northern Hemisphere activity in July sit outside the “first half” window. Global numbers can still change substantially in the second half of the year, as boreal and Mediterranean seasons peak.

Longer-term satellite records generally show a gradual decline in global burned area over recent decades, largely because of land-use changes and reduced agricultural/savanna burning in the tropics, even as extreme fires in some forested or WUI regions have become more intense or impactful in certain years. The first-half 2026 numbers fit that broader pattern of lower overall activity so far.”



Let’s get to your great panic over Europe. There is one fire in Europe right now. 1. Europe is a big place.

In late July 2026, wildfires in southwestern France (mainly Gironde and Landes departments, advancing toward Bordeaux) and parts of Spain (notably west of Madrid, plus areas near Valencia and elsewhere) forced roughly 250,000–300,000+ people to evacuate or shelter in place. France accounted for the bulk (around 197,000–250,000 in the southwest alone at peaks), described by officials as among the country’s largest peacetime evacuations; Spain declared a national emergency with tens of thousands ordered out or confined. One death and dozens of injuries were reported; international and military help (aircraft, personnel) was mobilized.

Main drivers

• Weather and fuels: Successive extreme heatwaves (part of broader 2026 European heat events) left vegetation extremely dry. An earlier wetter period had produced more growth that then turned into abundant fuel. Strong winds rapidly spread the fires, creating fast-moving fronts that outpaced containment in places.

• Location relative to people: Fires threatened or approached residential zones, suburbs, coastal tourist spots (busy in summer), and areas near cities like Bordeaux and Madrid. Precautionary mass orders were issued early for safety—better to move many people than risk trapped populations as conditions worsened overnight or with shifting winds. Burned areas were extensive (tens of thousands of hectares in the main French fires alone).

So 1 death. “Climate Change” was so bad that they had a really wet period that increased vegetation…you know…the source that dries out in a heat wave. They evacuated people to Bordeaux temporarily for precaution. Reading NPR, BBC and using wiki as an actual source of truth rots the brain. Go be a Democrat.

BTW nowhere in your posts do you mention how great CO2 is. CO2 allows photosynthesis. Science and all that. It’s no wonder satellites have noted how much vegetation is thriving on Earth right now, despite some countries willfully trying to destroy their own rain forests. More vegetation. More potential for fire. Earth has seen this movie over and over again.

 
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Entirely wrong. The developers prefer rural areas because it limits the opposition/complaints. Plus the land is cheaper.

I thought they were pivoting because of the opposition/complaints. Agree land is way, way cheaper, but bringing in the infrastructure dwarfs the deal on the land in many cases.
 

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I was not fooled. You never read the X post close enough. Truly moronic. The post said lowest amount of fires through June of 2026 with the disclaimer of we will have to see how the rest of the year goes.

According to the Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service (CAMS) Global Fire Assimilation System (GFAS), the first half of 2026 (1 January–30 June) recorded the lowest global biomass burning emissions in the 24-year satellite record (2003–present). Total estimated carbon emissions stayed just below 400 megatonnes of carbon, continuing a longer-term downward trend driven mainly by reduced seasonal burning in tropical Africa.

Burned-area data from the Global Wildfire Information System (GWIS, based on NASA MODIS/VIIRS satellites) similarly showed cumulative global burned area running at or near record lows for much of the period through mid-year, with every continent below the recent average and Africa, the Americas, and Europe at particularly low levels relative to 2012–2025. Africa dominates global burned-area totals because of extensive savanna and agricultural fires, so quieter conditions there strongly pull the worldwide numbers down.

Important context

• Emissions vs. area: Biomass-burning emissions (what CAMS tracks) and burned area (what GWIS tracks) are related but not identical metrics. Both pointed lower in H1 2026.

• Regional variation: Northern Hemisphere boreal activity (Canada, Siberia) was quieter early on and only ramped up later in June. Southern Hemisphere saw some intense early activity (e.g., parts of Australia and South America), but it was not enough to offset the global decline.

• July shift: The large European fires (Spain, France) and increased Northern Hemisphere activity in July sit outside the “first half” window. Global numbers can still change substantially in the second half of the year, as boreal and Mediterranean seasons peak.

Longer-term satellite records generally show a gradual decline in global burned area over recent decades, largely because of land-use changes and reduced agricultural/savanna burning in the tropics, even as extreme fires in some forested or WUI regions have become more intense or impactful in certain years. The first-half 2026 numbers fit that broader pattern of lower overall activity so far.”



Let’s get to your great panic over Europe. There is one fire in Europe right now. 1. Europe is a big place.

In late July 2026, wildfires in southwestern France (mainly Gironde and Landes departments, advancing toward Bordeaux) and parts of Spain (notably west of Madrid, plus areas near Valencia and elsewhere) forced roughly 250,000–300,000+ people to evacuate or shelter in place. France accounted for the bulk (around 197,000–250,000 in the southwest alone at peaks), described by officials as among the country’s largest peacetime evacuations; Spain declared a national emergency with tens of thousands ordered out or confined. One death and dozens of injuries were reported; international and military help (aircraft, personnel) was mobilized.

Main drivers

• Weather and fuels: Successive extreme heatwaves (part of broader 2026 European heat events) left vegetation extremely dry. An earlier wetter period had produced more growth that then turned into abundant fuel. Strong winds rapidly spread the fires, creating fast-moving fronts that outpaced containment in places.

• Location relative to people: Fires threatened or approached residential zones, suburbs, coastal tourist spots (busy in summer), and areas near cities like Bordeaux and Madrid. Precautionary mass orders were issued early for safety—better to move many people than risk trapped populations as conditions worsened overnight or with shifting winds. Burned areas were extensive (tens of thousands of hectares in the main French fires alone).


So 1 death. “Climate Change” was so bad that they had a really wet period that increased vegetation…you know…the source that dries out in a heat wave. They evacuated people to Bordeaux temporarily for precaution. Reading NPR, BBC and using wiki as an actual source of truth rots the brain. Go be a Democrat.

BTW nowhere in your posts do you mention how great CO2 is. CO2 allows photosynthesis. Science and all that. It’s no wonder satellites have noted how much vegetation is thriving on Earth right now, despite some countries willfully trying to destroy their own rain forests. More vegetation. More potential for fire. Earth has seen this movie over and over again.

Your original post said nothing about the # of fires. It said every continent was lower than normal. Not accurate at all.

Why do you believe there is 1 fire in Europe right now? Tough to believe anything you post when you are so unaware of things happening right now. Dozens of fires burning in France, Italy, and Spain right now.

 
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I thought they were pivoting because of the opposition/complaints. Agree land is way, way cheaper, but bringing in the infrastructure dwarfs the deal on the land in many cases.

They have overwhelmingly been constructed in rural areas since they began going up a few years ago.
 

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I don’t think people have an issue with that. They just tried to put one in the middle of a residential area next to a church property in my community.

And it will probably not get through. A lot of these are massive. Just parking it in the town square isn't happening.

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I'm looking this up via AI, lol. Apparently most existing data centers are in urban areas. They are generally small.

2/3s of the proposed new data centers are in rural areas. They are much, much bigger.
 

dtrain79

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Most new data centers in the U.S. are coming to rural areas | Pew Research Center

It sounds like the model for data centers is changing rapidly. Going from relatively small operations you can park in a warehouse district to something far bigger.

Of course, this would require a case by case discussion on appropriateness. A more traditional, smaller data center coming to a city seems NBD to me; the opposition to a massive one makes more sense.
 

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Most new data centers in the U.S. are coming to rural areas | Pew Research Center

It sounds like the model for data centers is changing rapidly. Going from relatively small operations you can park in a warehouse district to something far bigger.

Of course, this would require a case by case discussion on appropriateness. A more traditional, smaller data center coming to a city seems NBD to me; the opposition to a massive one makes more sense.
Case by case is exactly right, couldn’t agree more. I actually think posters here are generally aligned on this topic, which is groundbreaking. LOL
 

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So he finally says something about him and he tries to shift the conversation to Biden? Wow, very impressive.
What are you looking for him to do? He is criticized nonstop for commenting on pending cases. He didn't say one way or another on the process. He mostly distanced himself from Fauci. This is smart. Welcome to politics. Let the process play out.
 
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I typically blame the boss, not the employee, when a company fails.

Blaming Fauci and not Trump for the pandemic response, is like blaming Zach Hamer for Illinois losing a basketball game they should win.
Trump trusted a couple of long term bureaucrats. Yes, he was wrong there.

He did bring in Dr Scott Atlas to get a different point of view in August 2020. This was heavily criticized by your buddies on the left. Atlas wanted a more "focus protection" strategy. As many things as Trump can be criticized for, it would have been a disaster if the left were in charge as they favored mandatory lockdowns, Vax, remote schooling, etc.

But ramble away about how you would have done better on a once in a 100 year pandemic.
 

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Trump trusted a couple of long term bureaucrats. Yes, he was wrong there.

He did bring in Dr Scott Atlas to get a different point of view in August 2020. This was heavily criticized by your buddies on the left. Atlas wanted a more "focus protection" strategy. As many things as Trump can be criticized for, it would have been a disaster if the left were in charge as they favored mandatory lockdowns, Vax, remote schooling, etc.

But ramble away about how you would have done better on a once in a 100 year pandemic.
Always an excuse isn’t there. He didn’t just trust the wrong bureaucrats. He was a train wreck.

How soon you forget the daily press conference circuses and the constant mixed messages and lack of leadership. He ******* sucked that entire spring/summer of shutdowns and oversaw the greatest transfer of wealth in our generation.

He doesn’t get a pass for that because Biden would’ve been worse.
 

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Projects like these are the ones that concern people the most. I think people just need to know the positives and negatives that come from these massive projects. We aren’t there yet, need full transparency.
That is interesting as it is extremely large, but 40,000 acres is over the top. Even Microsoft and others top out at 1000 acres for over-sized data centers.

I asked you know who and ChatGPT said that 9GW is about twice what our local utility (SRP) produces annually and SRP serves about half of the Phoenix area. Environmentalists have to be going crazy about using natural gas to generate the electricity. Kevin O'Leary is Mr Shark tank but this one is mega sized even for him. I wonder if it is a negotiating tactic to get a smaller one ultimately approved. The article mentions Utah already ia asking to have it dramatically reduced in size (by 75%?).

What is true is that data centers get the attention and emotion from all sides. But Mr O'Leary is really trolling them on this one.
 

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What are you looking for him to do? He is criticized nonstop for commenting on pending cases. He didn't say one way or another on the process. He mostly distanced himself from Fauci. This is smart. Welcome to politics. Let the process play out.
He’s looking for Trump to run the Senate apparently, but Trump is no king. And yes. Trump needs to stay out of it. The Democrats keep crying that he’s prosecuting the opposition.
 
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That is interesting as it is extremely large, but 40,000 acres is over the top. Even Microsoft and others top out at 1000 acres for over-sized data centers.

I asked you know who and ChatGPT said that 9GW is about twice what our local utility (SRP) produces annually and SRP serves about half of the Phoenix area. Environmentalists have to be going crazy about using natural gas to generate the electricity. Kevin O'Leary is Mr Shark tank but this one is mega sized even for him. I wonder if it is a negotiating tactic to get a smaller one ultimately approved. The article mentions Utah already ia asking to have it dramatically reduced in size (by 75%?).

What is true is that data centers get the attention and emotion from all sides. But Mr O'Leary is really trolling them on this one.
I thought these data centers had to create their own power grid? I could be misremembering. A small nuclear reactor would be great in that application.
 

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This you Ixky? The pure excitement you show is awesome when Lord Fauci appears! It is safe to assume that your buddy Fauci and you both share major disdain for Qanon which saw through Fauci from the get go. At least dear diary allows you to now know that you and Train are both lab rats.

 

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A real patriot wearing a German national team jersey! Amazing that this hero stood up to tyrants as they tried to shame him. It all seems so obvious to the deranged Fauci death jab takers now, but the strong few knew it 5 years ago. Pay me to take something to “save” my life? That is called a tell.