My thoughts on Kamario...
- Thread starter Rick Cleveland
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Rick the problem with a lot of state fans is that they have developed a loser's mentality. I feel better about KT than I did Dak at this time of his development. KT will play on Sundays unless he gets a serious injury.
“My goal is to stay healthy for 13 games.”
Why not 16 games? Guess he knows that with Lebby, there’s no way we make the playoffs.
Why not 16 games? Guess he knows that with Lebby, there’s no way we make the playoffs.
The reason ARCH didn’t get any hype before he took any FBS snaps is because there was a clear starter coming back and all those years ago reporters knew to not hype talented but unproven players . Things have changed in the last 2-3 years in preseason sport reporting.
Not needed, but here they are (******)
Not needed, but here they are (******)
I still just don’t get it. I mean, he may well be as good as everyone says. But if so, WHY WASN’T HE STARTING until the Egg Bowl?
Nobody ever said any of this crap about Shapen. But he kept on starting….and mostly disappointing.
Nobody ever said any of this crap about Shapen. But he kept on starting….and mostly disappointing.
Being a True Freshman who is talented is not the same as being a True Freshman who can read defenses / understand the offense.
Shapen was brittle and not well protected behind our OL, but he was far more poised as a starter and Kamario was too green.
Should Dak have started in 2011 / 2012? No. He didn't realize his potential until mid 2013. Kamario started coming into his own the final few weeks.
We’re going to be disappointed, if Taylor is anything short of an NFL talent, and that is rare.
Our fans are so incredibly stupid. This idea that you must have a mobile QB and that the run opens up the pass (Bart and Charlie are even peddling this) is just asinine. The pass opens up the run, not the other way around. I get it, you have to keep people engaged. And yeah, if your max goal is 7-5 or 8-4, go for it. I want to make the playoff.
Taylor’s future is completely about his ability to throw, ie he’s a NFL guy. Remember, Nick Fitz is the SECs all time leading rusher……and he was booed his senior year.
It just really doesn’t matter once you get to a certain point, though. Once you’re out of CFP contention, play the better player. Period. Let him have the growing pains in a low pressure environment. Nobody gives a 17 if it costs you a game or two. Nobody gives a 17 what your record is or what bowl you went to if you didn’t make the CFP.
By the conclusion of the A&M game, we were totally cooked as far as CFP was concerned. Everybody knew it. If you don’t agree it was then, it was at latest after the Florida game. KT could have easily started the last 6-7 games without it having affected our record at all. What did we gain by losing with Shapen?
I disagree with framing everything as about being about the CFP and making it.
I appreciate when it was about winning the next game right in front of you. Those days of college football made every game feel big.
Maybe that's the approach the coach took. Play the guys who gave us the best chance to win that week. That was Shapen for most of the year.
Of course it was. If nothing else, to build the program and resume. Losing sure doesn't do that. And players don't want to lose either. And these days you never know for sure who's staying, we played that guy in 2024 all year (by necessity, I get it) to watch him transfer out first chance he got. There's no more 'taking lumps' or whatever.
Now......I can buy that this happens to the teams with big expectations who maybe fall short. Or perhaps some seniors do it from time to time. But it's not a crazy problem. NFL has more incentive to do it, honestly. But that's also why their playoff is nearly half the league.
He said at a minimum 13 games. That changes the meaning a lot and can mean many different things. They make the playoffs, that mentality may change a bit. I still remember an old John Elway diving into the end zone and getting spun like a helicopter similar to Shrader in the K State Bowl game.
What was our record in the final 6 games of the season?
What would our record been in the final 6 games had KT started all of them? More specifically, how much worse could it have been?
It’s utterly ridiculous to look at Jeff Lebby, who has literally gotten every single thing wrong possible in 2 years of trying to build this program - from staff hires to recruiting to in-game management, and assume that somehow he got this one exactly right.
You had me at “we’re going to be disappointed”.
This is SPS, you don’t have to add any further context.
Some perspective: The best season Louisville had with Lamar Jackson was 9-3 and that's not against an SEC schedule. Even if Taylor is as good as Lamar it won't automatically translate to wins and it might not translate to turning our program around. We will just get to enjoy the highlights of a generational talent at MSU. Money and lots of it paired with an administration who is committed to winning will turn our program around.
Btw, Lamar threw FOUR ints against us in the TaxSlayer bowl and this is the year after he won the Heisman. We beat his Louisville team with Keytaon Thompson as our QB that game.
Btw, Lamar threw FOUR ints against us in the TaxSlayer bowl and this is the year after he won the Heisman. We beat his Louisville team with Keytaon Thompson as our QB that game.
I don't give a **** if he makes it to the NFL. I hope he's mother ******* Johnny Manziel out there in college. And if that turns into NFL success - more power to him. I hope he's an all-pro if he makes it to the NFL.
I've been around probably longer than most. IMO it's not something that has developed. It's been that way for as long as I can remember.