Because I think the team is good? Because I don't whine and cry in July? Ill accept odd....
Sounds like Hampton might be joining this yrs squad
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I dont buy into any of it until i see the first few games. I played, i coached for 8 years and officiated for 50 years. I know the game inside and out. I dont put any stock into what someone in the media says about a summer practice. Most of them are lucky to have a job. Goose is great but i dont read a lot about what he has to say. Probably because he doesnt see a lot of summer practices. Peace.
Goose? The guy pushing Hawthorne last year because of how he was practicing. That Goose? He talks to KSR?
Now that we have had our usual Pope Haters Vs. Pope super friends thread battle, any news on Hampton and if he is in fact coming this season?
I haven’t seen anything that he’s considering reclassifying.
Different teams, different leagues, different schedules. And lets not forget the other part of that tandem isn't a rebounder at all. Fwiw, one rebound a game difference isn't anything to sneeze at either. There's no world the two starting guards are anywhere near what DA and OO were defensively. I'll give you the offense, or at least a chance of it. I know you've seen him a lot, but Furman is a far cry from the level of play he's going to see in the SEC. I know, I know...UConn and all. One game. Where he hit shots. It's an extremely small sample. There are many others against way lesser teams where he struggled. He could be good, he could also be completely overwhelmed. There were probably 5-6 players on last years team that could've gotten his numbers in the SoCon. I need to see him do it before I'm sure he can.
"you wish"...that's just odd. It's like skepticism bothers you. Skepticism of something neither of us has seen. It's odd.
I can buy the waiting to see the first few games. It's where I'm at. Skeptical we are any better than his first two team. Cautiously optimistic all the pieces fit and the stars align.
Goose does tend to be FAR too optimistic. Which is why it would worry me if he's critical of a player. That dude probably thinks Noah is a candidate to be a double digit scorer.
You go from talking about rebounds to defense. They are not the same thing.
You hate Pope dude. It's blinded you to the fact that we gave a good team. You will root against UK because you want to be "right" about Pope. Pathetic
I must have forgotten when BCG and Cal played for UK.
Not that I’ve heard anything either but most players usually wait until after the Peach Jam to do so. Also, he is older than Stikes, Holt, etc so he probably could.
Pope might be waiting to see if there’s a 5th year senior available too. It’s not like there’s a rush to do so here in July.
Skill level we’ll have to see how well it translates if he plays.
But his skill set is exactly what we’ve been needing to round out the team.
But his skill set is exactly what we’ve been needing to round out the team.
He’s a goalpost mover. Soon as his point is proven flawed he moves them to fit his narrative. Now it’s Zoom didn’t see the level of talent so his rebounds are lesser. Even though the big ten was basically even with the SEC and won the national championship.
DA wasn’t a rebounder either. He was a ball hog/tunnel vision type at point guard. Do you even watch the games or just go off what narrative the media and negative fans push? I’ll take my 2 lead guards who are willing passers and can make plays over 2 who are get mine type guys. Loved OO and DA but won’t miss their style of play necessarily. Don’t win a lot of games playing that way.
Defensive rebounding is a huge part of defense. Pretty hard to get a stop if you can’t rebound.
I think Pope isn’t a good coach. I don’t know him, so I don’t hate him.
I will never root against UK. Ever. This is just such a lazy viewpoint.
Was I blinded last offseason too?
As far as letting media control the narrative and all that...I feel the same against our fanbase when they downplay what Oweh was.
Was he the number one pick like Anthony Davis and John Wall? Na but I did just see him average basically 20 a game in the SEC. The strongest SEC we've ever seen according to just about everyone. DA yea he's average and I agree with your take on him.
But as much as I didn't like Owehs attitude or body language a lot of the time I'm not going to let that interfere with what he actually was and how he produced. Two years straight he saved Pope from total embarrassment.
Averaged 20 a game and was runner up for SEC player of the year behind Acuff and maybe the guy from Tennessee. He was a stud. No way around that.
So I'm not going to put our new guards on his level until they produce like him. Oweh did it against the best league in college basketball.
Also Oweh was great on defense when he locked in. He was good for at least one steal break away dunk each game.
I never said Oweh wasn’t very good player and very good for UK. I just said he wasn’t a great defender and was very selfish at times. Sometimes he had to be obviously to get the win. Him not being a vocal leader hurt us last year some I believe. I said Oweh and Milan were basically a wash. My main thing was Chandler and DA imo are not as good as Wilkins and Zoom will be.
Oweh yes would get 1 breakaway steal dunk a game. But he also would give up numerous wide open looks going for that 1 steal. But people who only casually watch see that as a huge play and say he’s a good defender. He could’ve been a great defender but he went for the highlight play too much and ball watched a lot.
I think pope is a very good coach. To do what he has done with all the injuries isn’t easy. Are they Kentucky standard seasons? Absolutely not. But take starting pg off any team 2 years in a row and numerous other weird injuries and see how other coaches fair. He def has his flaws and if he doesn’t adapt and fix them he will be gone. But every coach has flaws. Healthy rosters sure do help a coach look good though.
Who do you see as the top coaches?
Multiple sources are reporting the same..
LMAO. Defensive rebounding is rebounding. Defense is Defense. When you know less than 3rd grade Little Cats players, you know you're in trouble lolDefensive rebounding is a huge part of defense. Pretty hard to get a stop if you can’t rebound.
And what I said wasn't really a jab at you or anything I kind of was referring to a lot of fans that completely act like Oweh was a cancer and stuff.
A break away steal for a dunk is a good play no matter if you're casual or not tho. And as far as ball watching yea he did that sometimes. He dribbled the ball off his foot a lot also. It don't take away from him being the best player the last two years. He literally won several games on last second shots. Two against his former team and then saved us from being put out in the first round.
So while I don't think you are saying he's a bad player and I don't even think the ones im talking about said he was a bad player. I just can't stand how people downplay him. He was a freaking stud point blank.
Name a player that produced like him in Cals 15 years. I'm not saying you can't name anybody but you cant name a lot. He will also end up having a solid career in the NBA as a hustle D man imo.
Just always confused on how BBN downplays him. I guess when you produce every single game you don't get celebrated as much as if Noah comes in and hits two threes and gets ten threads about he can play at this level.
Oweh averages 20 a game and all people say is he's selfish and not a good leader. More like Pope doesn't recruit athletes and he was forced to do 90% of the things BBN complains about.
20 loss season without him last year.
Yea the team was built with him as the star. Popes first team was how he was best suited on a team. He didn’t have to worry about much except for getting buckets. He’s a guy you can win big with if the right pieces are around him. A healthy butler and Jax in year 1 would’ve been an elite 8 final / 4 type team.
I agree last year would’ve been rough without him. He also caused some of that roster being not very complimentary by waiting until the last minute to come back. If he announces earlier it’s easier on Pope to know exactly what pieces need to be added. Not saying it’s wrong or right but it helps when you announce early.
I’m going to miss watching him just for how hard he played when he was locked in. But I’m looking forward to see guards who can facilitate and hopefully get back to Popes style of ball.
Absolutely, DA slowed the whole offense down because he couldn’t play fast without losing the ball. His whole mindset was holding the ball dribbling for 10-15 seconds until he figured which way to drive then not passing to the open guy
How often did he actually lock in on defense, maybe first year against Duke then name another where he shut anyone down?
Pope has an 11 yr coaching history. He's never won a conference title, conference tourney title, and has three NCAAT wins total. In a results driven business, I find it hard to define that as "very good". I think he's finished second in his respective conference four times. The other seven seasons have been fifth or worse. Again, hard for me to define that as very good. I get "very good" is subjective, but still.
Guys that win conferences and conference tourney titles are at the far top of the list. To be very good, that's what Pope has to do. If I name a bunch of guys, all you're going to do is use extremely small samples or "their first two years" to disprove it. Mark Pope has to win and people have to stop "Popesplaining" his "successes". Then you can start talking about him being a "very good" coach.
I'll leave you with this...If UK fires Pope at the end of the season...let's say it's a season where the team has some version of the first two years record and a second round NCAAT exit...Who hires him? What kind of job do you think he would get? Tubby left for Minny. Clyde got fired and went to TTU. Cal bounced for Arky. Do you think Pope could get a job equal to that? I, personally, do not.
Good lord dude. I'm simply replying so you will continue to prove how little you know about basketball. Answer a couple questions for me.
Is getting a stop defense?
List the ways to get a stop without getting a defensive rebound?
He was our best defender two years straight. Idk what else to say. Butler was a better defender before Injury.
I struggled to watch Otega play. He was frustrating as all get out sometimes. He was also the best player on the floor for the Cats almost every single game he was here. The fact people think some sophomore that played at Furman last year is DEFINITELY going to be better than that...it's just mind-boggling to me.
True story. He and DA were very good defensively last year. Last year's team will end up being light years better defensively than this years.
A microcosm of Oweh’s defense is at the end of the UT home game last year. With about a minute to go he lets Ament go right by him for the go ahead layup. Then about 30 seconds later he fights through a screen and causes Ament to take a tough shot which he missed.
Over gambled in the passing lanes way too much. Has the strength and athletic ability to be a great defender but not the will to do it consistently.
One of the most important indicators of a good defensive player.Defensive rebounding is a huge part of defense. Pretty hard to get a stop if you can’t rebound.
Hard to argue that the B1G was not the best basketball and football league last year, at least at the top of the conference.
lol. Unless you’re playing one on one it has nothing to do with it. You can be a lock down defender and not be a great rebounder. I think you guys are conflating team rebounding with individual defensive abilities.
Just to avoid confusing people try to make the distinctionDefensive rebounding is a huge part of defense. Pretty hard to get a stop if you can’t rebound.
Nobody has compared Oweh to Wilkins. Idk why you keep making that comparison. You said we are worse than last year. I strongly disagree.
zoom = da (I think zoom is better but I’ll give a wash to make you happy) he’s def a better pg though.
Wilkins > Chandler. One dimensional player was Chandler.
milan = OO. Milan is better for pope style in every way and will open way more up for ppl than Oweh did. But production wise I’ll say a wash.
Ousmane > Jelavic. There is absolutely no way he can be worse. More athletic and longer.
MM this year will be better.
bench
McBride > Mo. McBride is a better shooting version.
morton > jasper. No explanation needed.
Kam will be better than last year. He was shooting it better as year went on and game slowed down for him. He also defends at a high level.
Mason Williams will be a solid pg option too. Kid is vastly underrated talking to aau ppl I know.
The backup 5 is spot im not sold on yet. Which is why Hampton isn’t on the roster yet. Still looking for options if they come up.
Just because you got a rebound doesn’t mean you played good defense either or that it was the first rebound made on that possession meaning offensive rebounds that Oweh gave up a lot as well.Defensive rebounding is a huge part of defense. Pretty hard to get a stop if you can’t rebound.