Family Estrangement

[NEHuskerJack95]

I don't belong to any online Discussion Groups, so you guys/gals are it and I need some help.

I hate the word 'Estrangement,' but I don't know how to explain my current situation.

For three years now, my Son, Daughter-in-Law and three Grandkids have had nothing to do with my wife or me.

This is particularly baffling because (at least, we thought) we had a really good relationship with all of them. We have been generous with our finances and our time. We attended every school, sports and extra-curricular activity possible, even watching classes and practices between games. We've always thought of ourselves as being supportive parents and grandparents.

Calls, emails and texts are not answered.

We have sent Christmas and Birthday cards/presents/gift cards with no acknowledgement or response. The kids are all old enough to respond on their own.

We've been told we are 'Angry,' but have no idea what we're supposedly angry about. I am angry about the situation we find ourselves in; I had nothing to be angry about before being shut out of their lives.

We have suggested counseling. They have no interest.

We have been working on our own with a counselor and have tried several recommendations with no success.

Have any of you been through anything similar and/or do you have any advice?

Thanks in advance...

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Well, no one likes hearing this but you got your answer. They don't want to talk to you. The reason really doesn't matter because you can't fix that, no matter what it is...

More than likely, it is your daughter in law that is causing the issues and your Son is in the horrible situation of going against what his "best friend" wants, which just makes a bad marriage even badder...or just pretending like he agrees with her crazy *** and keeping the marriage badness level at a more tolerable.

My advice, just let them be. One of two things will happen

1. They will keep ignoring you, which is the situation you are in so nothing changes.

2. They will get a divorce (Thoughts and Prayers that this happens and your son gets to be free) and he will contact you again. I am guessing his wife is horrible? And of course you realize it now but didn't at first?

 

[HuskerInCarolina]

Gosh I am very sorry to read that and that you're going through that. Family is a very important value/concept to me. I would be heartbroken if I were in your shoes.

Do you know why things changed or what the catalyst for the estrangement would be? Do you still attend these events and send gifts/cards in this 3 years of estrangement? Part of me wants to say to stop attending and probably only send cards to the kids if they're still minors. But at the same time (I'll touch more in a bit), part of me wants to say keep doing it. As long as you're doing it out of love with no expectation of something in return. You never know when it'll be the last event you attend or the last card you get to send.

Unfortunately, the ball is all in their court. You're not going to be able to make them to want to be around you. They will have to want that for themselves.

My grandparents and my mother went through this, and unfortunately it affected the relationship with my two youngest sisters. I was older and out of the home when the family drama went down so I was able to maintain my relationship with my parents and my grandparents independently until they got their stuff figured out. It took over 5 years for my grandparents and mother to get back on speaking terms and seeing each other. It pains me because time is limited. My grandfather is now bed ridden in a nursing facility after a stroke years ago so he is no longer able to participate in any family gatherings nor make memories with the family. Those 5 years were wasted in my eyes. My two youngest sisters have nothing to do with my grandparents, and I get it, they never knew them. Especially not the way I did (we have 13-15 year age gap).

My recommendation: Have them right a letter explaining their thoughts, emotions, recollection of events, etc. Have them write down what they desire going forward. This provides them the opportunity to slowly put together their thoughts over how long it takes, rather than a conversation where you don't have as much time to think. It also provides them the opportunity to express themselves without any rebuttal, cutting off, intimidation of body language, etc. I would also recommend you write one as well.

You have to find the root of the issue before you can fix the relationship. Communication is extremely important. I am a firm believer that there is nothing beyond repair when it comes to relationships, but it does require both parties to want to.

I wish you and your wife the best in this. These things suck and they're very hard. I couldn't imagine keeping my kids away from my parents. It is my hope and prayer that in time, they will come around. Life is short and time is limited. Please continue to make the most of yours, even if others don't want to be involved in it.

 

[NikkiSixx]

I don't belong to any online Discussion Groups, so you guys/gals are it and I need some help.

I hate the word 'Estrangement,' but I don't know how to explain my current situation.

For three years now, my Son, Daughter-in-Law and three Grandkids have had nothing to do with my wife or me.

This is particularly baffling because (at least, we thought) we had a really good relationship with all of them. We have been generous with our finances and our time. We attended every school, sports and extra-curricular activity possible, even watching classes and practices between games. We've always thought of ourselves as being supportive parents and grandparents.

Calls, emails and texts are not answered.

We have sent Christmas and Birthday cards/presents/gift cards with no acknowledgement or response. The kids are all old enough to respond on their own.

We've been told we are 'Angry,' but have no idea what we're supposedly angry about. I am angry about the situation we find ourselves in; I had nothing to be angry about before being shut out of their lives.

We have suggested counseling. They have no interest.

We have been working on our own with a counselor and have tried several recommendations with no success.

Have any of you been through anything similar and/or do you have any advice?

Thanks in advance...

I am currently going through an estrangement with my 80 year old father. I blame him, and I am sure he blames me. I have come to realize that he is a narcissist. It's quite humorous, because he was back stabbing me with my sister telling her that he thought I was one. Just like a democrat.. accuses others of that which he does. I am working through it, but right now there is a wall, and whomever breaks it, is the loser.

I am in the process of letting go completely, and coming to terms that I will not get the acknowledgment that I feel I deserve. It will never happen with a narcissist, so I am told.

As to your situation, if you are really clueless as to what is going on, then I think you need to look a lot deeper. These things don't just happen on their own, and there are always reasons.

Finally, this is not about blame.. it really comes down to respect. If he were to approach me with respect to resolve this, I would likely try to match that move towards resolution, but remember parent/child and family relationships are complex. I would look into the study of attachment styles to try to understand the family dynamic.

I don't mean this to be rude or harsh, but if you are clueless, it's a major red flag in my opinion and you have a lot of inner work to do.

 

[Walleye 1]

I am currently going through an estrangement with my 80 year old father. I blame him, and I am sure he blames me. I have come to realize that he is a narcissist. It's quite humorous, because he was back stabbing me with my sister telling her that he thought I was one. Just like a democrat.. accuses others of that which he does. I am working through it, but right now there is a wall, and whomever breaks it, is the loser.

I am in the process of letting go completely, and coming to terms that I will not get the acknowledgment that I feel I deserve. It will never happen with a narcissist, so I am told.

As to your situation, if you are really clueless as to what is going on, then I think you need to look a lot deeper. These things don't just happen on their own, and there are always reasons.

Finally, this is not about blame.. it really comes down to respect. If he were to approach me with respect to resolve this, I would likely try to match that move towards resolution, but remember parent/child and family relationships are complex. I would look into the study of attachment styles to try to understand the family dynamic.

I don't mean this to be rude or harsh, but if you are clueless, it's a major red flag in my opinion and you have a lot of inner work to do.

This is ridiculous. Many kids feel so self entitled: sounds like a lot like you. And Narcissist? You are the definition of one with your respect to women. Your advice is BS at best in a his scenario. You are the reason your dad wants nothing to do with you. You are a POS. Loser

 

[Big bo fan]

I don't belong to any online Discussion Groups, so you guys/gals are it and I need some help.

I hate the word 'Estrangement,' but I don't know how to explain my current situation.

For three years now, my Son, Daughter-in-Law and three Grandkids have had nothing to do with my wife or me.

This is particularly baffling because (at least, we thought) we had a really good relationship with all of them. We have been generous with our finances and our time. We attended every school, sports and extra-curricular activity possible, even watching classes and practices between games. We've always thought of ourselves as being supportive parents and grandparents.

Calls, emails and texts are not answered.

We have sent Christmas and Birthday cards/presents/gift cards with no acknowledgement or response. The kids are all old enough to respond on their own.

We've been told we are 'Angry,' but have no idea what we're supposedly angry about. I am angry about the situation we find ourselves in; I had nothing to be angry about before being shut out of their lives.

We have suggested counseling. They have no interest.

We have been working on our own with a counselor and have tried several recommendations with no success.

Have any of you been through anything similar and/or do you have any advice?

Thanks in advance...

How long have they been married? How old are the grandchildren? You say they are old enough to respond. Does that mean they are teenagers? I need to know these things before I can comment.

 

[Antwill]

Sorry to hear this. Seems like this is happening more and more these days.

My wife and I had a brief struggle with this but nothing close to what you are dealing with. I would just say to take the high road and be kind. Vindictiveness and anger will only reinforce in their minds why they cut you off in the first place. If nothing else, don't give them the satisfaction of doing anything that would even remotely justify this despicable behavior.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Sorry to hear this. Seems like this is happening more and more these days.

My wife and I had a brief struggle with this but nothing close to what you are dealing with. I would just say to take the high road and be kind. Vindictiveness and anger will only reinforce in their minds why they cut you off in the first place. If nothing else, don't give them the satisfaction of doing anything that would even remotely justify this despicable behavior.

It is very "popular" on social media...they call it going "No Contact"

And it is almost always the kid(s) freaking out that their Mom or Dad did "something" to them when they were younger...so now they go "No Contact" and won't talk to their parents while posting about it non-stop.

 

[steinek11]

I’m sorry you are going through this. I’ve read that this is increasingly common. And I do blame how weak minded millennials and GenZ are.

I agree with Superfan that your daughter-in-law has definitely poisoned the well. I just wish your son had more backbone..

HuskerinCarolina gives the best advice here. With kindness, gentleness and respect , let’s get to the root of the issue. Things may change, but it may take time. Be careful about burning those bridges. Your immediate family is your wife. Your extended family is anyone living outside of your household.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Its troubling how many chikdren decide to stop talking to their parents. Currently experiencing some of that ourselvws, and we have several frienda going thru same.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Its troubling how many chikdren decide to stop talking to their parents. Currently experiencing some of that ourselvws, and we have several frienda going thru same.

Bro...did you have a stroke while typing???

 

[Man Woman & Child]

It is very "popular" on social media...they call it going "No Contact"

And it is almost always the kid(s) freaking out that their Mom or Dad did "something" to them when they were younger...so now they go "No Contact" and won't talk to their parents while posting about it non-stop.

Its troubling how many chikdren decide to stop talking to their parents. Currently experiencing some of that ourselvws, and we have several frienda going thru same.

Yep, it's definitely a thing. Have had to learn more about all of it than I ever wanted to. Learning it's really common and there are more people than I could have imagined going through it.

There are certainly situations that probably warrant "no contact" or "estrangement" (or whatever the cool term is for the kids these days). But, the vast majority I have learned, are not even close.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Yep, it's definitely a thing. Have had to learn more about all of it than I ever wanted to. Learning it's really common and there are more people than I could have imagined going through it.

There are certainly situations that probably warrant "no contact" or "estrangement" (or whatever the cool term is for the kids these days). But, the vast majority I have learned, are not even close.

99 times out of 100 it is nothing..."Oh, you don't get it, when I was 12 my Dad yelled at me and took my phone"

Now that I am 28 I have gone "No Contact"

Also, "Narcissist" is the GIANT huge new buzz word. "Oh my gosh, my Dad came home from work and said he was tired...what a narcissist"

 

[orclover11]

I don't belong to any online Discussion Groups, so you guys/gals are it and I need some help.

I hate the word 'Estrangement,' but I don't know how to explain my current situation.

For three years now, my Son, Daughter-in-Law and three Grandkids have had nothing to do with my wife or me.

This is particularly baffling because (at least, we thought) we had a really good relationship with all of them. We have been generous with our finances and our time. We attended every school, sports and extra-curricular activity possible, even watching classes and practices between games. We've always thought of ourselves as being supportive parents and grandparents.

Calls, emails and texts are not answered.

We have sent Christmas and Birthday cards/presents/gift cards with no acknowledgement or response. The kids are all old enough to respond on their own.

We've been told we are 'Angry,' but have no idea what we're supposedly angry about. I am angry about the situation we find ourselves in; I had nothing to be angry about before being shut out of their lives.

We have suggested counseling. They have no interest.

We have been working on our own with a counselor and have tried several recommendations with no success.

Have any of you been through anything similar and/or do you have any advice?

Thanks in advance...

Family stuff sucks. You won't be able to force it and make it happen on your own terms. Your son or grandkids hold the leverage right now. You will have to wait in a holding pattern and be ready for them to make the move and be receptive when they do. In the climate today it could be something as simple as politics or religion, or they had a traumapetition with their friends about who was abused most by their parents. Or they are blaming their own anger, problems, insecurities on you....or they simply don't have time or energy. Family stuff sucks.

 

[o_Balfor]

This is ridiculous. Many kids feel so self entitled: sounds like a lot like you. And Narcissist? You are the definition of one with your respect to women. Your advice is BS at best in a his scenario. You are the reason your dad wants nothing to do with you. You are a POS. Loser

Good grief. Not knowing raised my suspicion immediately.

 

[o_Balfor]

Are they still alive? If you haven't had any contact in three years how can you be sure everybody is ok?

Good question.

 

[NikkiSixx]

99 times out of 100 it is nothing..."Oh, you don't get it, when I was 12 my Dad yelled at me and took my phone"

Now that I am 28 I have gone "No Contact"

Also, "Narcissist" is the GIANT huge new buzz word. "Oh my gosh, my Dad came home from work and said he was tired...what a narcissist"

I am not talking about a fad or a trend, just the situation I find myself in. The boomer generation is the most entitled generation I know of. I am in gen X. Also, I was not the one who cut off the communication, it was him.

This person mentions not getting acknowledgement from cards or things like this, which I read as completely selfish. If you are sending out a card to get something in return, then of course one would be upset.. kids don't owe anything to their parents, they are not the puppets of their parents. Personally, I would acknowledge a card and say ty, but I'm not sending out cards to be reciprocating out of some sort of guilt trip that my parent feels is owed to them because they did something and now I have to respond 'accordingly' to their frame.

I see this thread full of people who just want to validate this guy, and themselves, and not actually look at anything they are doing in the situation.

If someone is going no contact, they have a reason. and awareness, something that they understand.. and if the other person is clueless, it tells you that they aren't even paying attention to the dynamics or what is actually going on.

If I am triggering someone, that's a very good clue that you have some inner work to do.

 

[Big bo fan]

99 times out of 100 it is nothing..."Oh, you don't get it, when I was 12 my Dad yelled at me and took my phone"

Now that I am 28 I have gone "No Contact"

Also, "Narcissist" is the GIANT huge new buzz word. "Oh my gosh, my Dad came home from work and said he was tired...what a narcissist"

I am 62 never been married My mom and dad were my parents they weren’t my friends. I had friends. They raised me taught me right from wrong and when I did something wrong they punished me . Parents now try to be their kid’s friend and when they have to punish the kids the kids feel like it’s a friend turning on them . I think that causes the whole problem later down the road.

 

[Neb79]

I don't belong to any online Discussion Groups, so you guys/gals are it and I need some help.

I hate the word 'Estrangement,' but I don't know how to explain my current situation.

For three years now, my Son, Daughter-in-Law and three Grandkids have had nothing to do with my wife or me.

This is particularly baffling because (at least, we thought) we had a really good relationship with all of them. We have been generous with our finances and our time. We attended every school, sports and extra-curricular activity possible, even watching classes and practices between games. We've always thought of ourselves as being supportive parents and grandparents.

Calls, emails and texts are not answered.

We have sent Christmas and Birthday cards/presents/gift cards with no acknowledgement or response. The kids are all old enough to respond on their own.

We've been told we are 'Angry,' but have no idea what we're supposedly angry about. I am angry about the situation we find ourselves in; I had nothing to be angry about before being shut out of their lives.

We have suggested counseling. They have no interest.

We have been working on our own with a counselor and have tried several recommendations with no success.

Have any of you been through anything similar and/or do you have any advice?

Thanks in advance...

What do all the poor, innocent victims in this thread all have in common, I wonder? A bunch of blameless unfortunates, destined to be forever castigated for absolutely nothing. Don’t bother doing any soul searching! No! Just do exactly what you’ve been doing the last 10 years and surely your family will come around any day now!!!

 

[RBigredMax1]

If all they said was you are angry and that’s why they have gone no contact.

It could be negativity they feel. My in-laws are constantly negative about EVERYTHING - to the point where it’s difficult to spend time with them because it’s such a downer. There’s a possibility it could come across as angry.

I liked the idea of writing a letter mentioned earlier. Your son being overly honest to where it may be very hurtful will actually help overcome the problem. There are a lot of feelings they aren’t telling you and I’m sure they could cite some specifics. Be careful what you wish for because it could be a lot that you may not be expecting. But if you can take the feedback with an open heart it may help.

Have they shut off her parents too?

 

[SuperBigFan69]

I am 62 never been married My mom and dad were my parents they weren’t my friends. I had friends. They raised me taught me right from wrong and when I did something wrong they punished me . Parents now try to be their kid’s friend and when they have to punish the kids the kids feel like it’s a friend turning on them . I think that causes the whole problem later down the road.

100% this!

I am old and my parents are still not "my friends" we get along great and we love each other to death but I sure don't talk to my parents about the same **** that I do with my friends.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

I am not talking about a fad or a trend, just the situation I find myself in. The boomer generation is the most entitled generation I know of. I am in gen X. Also, I was not the one who cut off the communication, it was him.

This person mentions not getting acknowledgement from cards or things like this, which I read as completely selfish. If you are sending out a card to get something in return, then of course one would be upset.. kids don't owe anything to their parents, they are not the puppets of their parents. Personally, I would acknowledge a card and say ty, but I'm not sending out cards to be reciprocating out of some sort of guilt trip that my parent feels is owed to them because they did something and now I have to respond 'accordingly' to their frame.

I see this thread full of people who just want to validate this guy, and themselves, and not actually look at anything they are doing in the situation.

If someone is going no contact, they have a reason. and awareness, something that they understand.. and if the other person is clueless, it tells you that they aren't even paying attention to the dynamics or what is actually going on.

If I am triggering someone, that's a very good clue that you have some inner work to do.

I did't mean you...

 

[SuperBigFan69]

I will say this on the gift giving thing...

Most people do not give gifts with the intention of demanding something in return. Most people give a gift because they want to make someone happy and they would simply like to know that their gift made that person happy.

 

[NikkiSixx]

I did't mean you...

I know, I didn't mean you either.. all good man!

 

[skin-tight]

Was this falling out 3 years ago about politics? If you don't know. 3+ years ago did you frequently express your political beliefs with your Son and his family?

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Was this falling out 3 years ago about politics? If you don't know. 3+ years ago did you frequently express your political beliefs with your Son and his family?

This is a big one.

 

[Walleye 1]

Good grief. Not knowing raised my suspicion immediately.

Have fun sticking up for this loser. A complete narcissist. Hopefully his wife is in a safe place tonight

 

[Scoop123]

The issue with your son? It takes a deep dive with self awareness (EQ) to figure this out. EQ predicts people's success or failures in life twice as much as IQ.

The solution? Usually humility. And truck loads of it. Sounds so easy - yet most people lack in both EQ and humility (as we see all the time).

 

[Walleye 1]

I am not talking about a fad or a trend, just the situation I find myself in. The boomer generation is the most entitled generation I know of. I am in gen X. Also, I was not the one who cut off the communication, it was him.

This person mentions not getting acknowledgement from cards or things like this, which I read as completely selfish. If you are sending out a card to get something in return, then of course one would be upset.. kids don't owe anything to their parents, they are not the puppets of their parents. Personally, I would acknowledge a card and say ty, but I'm not sending out cards to be reciprocating out of some sort of guilt trip that my parent feels is owed to them because they did something and now I have to respond 'accordingly' to their frame.

I see this thread full of people who just want to validate this guy, and themselves, and not actually look at anything they are doing in the situation.

If someone is going no contact, they have a reason. and awareness, something that they understand.. and if the other person is clueless, it tells you that they aren't even paying attention to the dynamics or what is actually going on.

If I am triggering someone, that's a very good clue that you have some inner work to do.

Haha. Such a victim mentality. No wonder you are weak and have to take your anger out on women

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

This is a more serious issue than ever.. for some reason, kids now are quicker to divorce their parents than previous generations. Devil is loving the breakdown of the nuclear fam and social media egging them on to help em make terrible choicea.

Yes there were always disagreements between family members and some did stop talking, but its on a much larger scale now and its really sad.

 

[steinek11]

What do all the poor, innocent victims in this thread all have in common, I wonder? A bunch of blameless unfortunates, destined to be forever castigated for absolutely nothing. Don’t bother doing any soul searching! No! Just do exactly what you’ve been doing the last 10 years and surely your family will come around any day now!!!

You are ******* clueless, per usual.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

This is a more serious issue than ever.. for some reason, kids now are quicker to divorce their parents than previous generations. Devil is loving the breakdown of the nuclear fam and social media egging them on to help em make terrible choicea.

Yes there were always disagreements between family members and some did stop talking, but its on a much larger scale now and its really sad.

Ehhh, maybe? I think we just hear about it more because of social media.

I mean, 60 years ago, a husband could up and leave his family...move a town over and no one had any clue who he was or that he had left a family behind.

Same with kids...you grew up, left the home and if you moved any type of distance from your family...you pretty much never saw them anymore and would have to do your "long distance" calls...

Now there is the ease of communication so we are expected to communicate so much more that it seems like such a big deal when you don't.

 

[Antwill]

There's a reason this is on the rise and the main reason isn't the parents. Of course there are plenty of parents who are to blame, but the reality is that the millennial and Gen Zers or whatever they are labeled are the softest and most mentally unstable generations in our country's history. The data bares that out. I just hope I can enjoy some kind of a enjoyable retirement before they burn this whole thing down.

My parents are mean!

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Ehhh, maybe? I think we just hear about it more because of social media.

I mean, 60 years ago, a husband could up and leave his family...move a town over and no one had any clue who he was or that he had left a family behind.

Same with kids...you grew up, left the home and if you moved any type of distance from your family...you pretty much never saw them anymore and would have to do your "long distance" calls...

Now there is the ease of communication so we are expected to communicate so much more that it seems like such a big deal when you don't.

Growing up, alnost everyone in my grade and friend circle had 2 parents, and they appreciated and talked to their parents, more than todays generation. Its not a maybe. Kids literally divorce their parents now at an alarming rate... our friends circle completely agrees and we know to many battling this, for me to feel otherwise.

Butn earlier...You hit in a great point though about the word "narcissist" its amazing how quickly that word is played.... and misused

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

There's a reason this is on the rise and the main reason isn't the parents. Of course there are plenty of parents who are to blame, but the reality is that the millennial and Gen Zers or whatever they are labeled are the softest and most mentally unstable generations in our country's history. The data bares that out. I just hope I can enjoy some kind of a enjoyable retirement before they burn this whole thing down.

My parents are mean!

Amazing how many kids today need daily meds and counseling, just to exist day to day. That was a great post by you there

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Growing up, alnost everyone in my grade and friend circle had 2 parents, and they appreciated and talked to their parents, more than todays generation. Its not a maybe. Kids literally divorce their parents now at an alarming rate... our friends circle completely agrees and we know to many battling this, for me to feel otherwise.

Butn earlier...You hit in a great point though about the word "narcissist" its amazing how quickly that word is played.... and misused

I don't think you are wrong about it happening a lot today. I just think it happened a lot before too but it just wasn't so noticeable for the reasons I listed.

 

[NikkiSixx]

This is a more serious issue than ever.. for some reason, kids now are quicker to divorce their parents than previous generations. Devil is loving the breakdown of the nuclear fam and social media egging them on to help em make terrible choicea.

Yes there were always disagreements between family members and some did stop talking, but its on a much larger scale now and its really sad.

imo, Feminism started destroying the nuclear family 50 years ago and it continues to be the problem with families today.. the way it is setup now, a guy is taking a massive risk getting married.. everything is set against you, and weak men have allowed this to fester this whole time.. it's why this way of life is actually dying out and why there are not enough children to replace the generation that came before it.

nothing stops this train, except 1 thing that I can see on the horizon.. who is going to get women out of the workforce and back into motherhood? the Catholic church? your local state/city laws? there is only one thing that I can see.. and it should terrify people for other reasons.. Islam.. and that scares the F outta me.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Feminism just means being equal.

Women were "stuck" with men 50 years ago (Think of it like the transfer portal...you can see how many players were ******* miserable at the school they were at but they felt stuck. Now that they are free to leave...they try to find a happier life), now that women have careers and their own money, they don't "need" a dude and they can have their own lives. Thank god!

You are right about how marriage is bad for men. Especially now. If you get married now you are a dope.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

...i'd pay to see the reactions of todays kids who divorced their folks, when it comes time to read the will after their folks pass, and they find out they ain't in it.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

...i'd pay to see the reactions of todays kids who divorced their folks, when it comes time to read the will after their folks pass, and they find out they ain't in it.

I am shocked some lawyer hasn't started to do that for social media!