Who wins out? After snubbing Dan Patrick and being prompted by Silver to suspend Alyssa Thomas for her actions? Will she last the full season? Return next year?
Adam Silver vs. Kathy Engelbert
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Engelbert needs to go. WNBA owners need to make it happen before the 2027 season. Weak leadership is killing the league’s image.
Wow
If the reports are true that Silver had to persuade Engelbert to suspend Thomas.
Then I’m beginning to think that Engelbert has it in for CC.
I hope CC goes and plays in Europe and then the WNBA crumbles back to pre-CC ratings
If the reports are true that Silver had to persuade Engelbert to suspend Thomas.
Then I’m beginning to think that Engelbert has it in for CC.
I hope CC goes and plays in Europe and then the WNBA crumbles back to pre-CC ratings
What in the world makes anyone think Clark would abandon her a lifelong dream to play in the WNBA? She has stated this on multiple occasions.
Play in Europe? Please. Clark is a highly competitive athlete. Nothing in her past even slightly suggests that she is a quitter; that she will abandon her life ambitions right in the prime of her career. It’s silly.
If the title of this thread were a Jeopardy question, it would read "names for a competent basketball commissioner and an incompetent basketball commissioner? "
Clark is just not on the right team, one that will utilize her skills the right way in order to make her and her team better. This organization is all wrong for her top to bottom, starting with Dunn and going all the way down to the Head Coach. Throw in all of the stoppages from injuries and subsequent disruption of playing time, then this is what you end up with.
Just wake up from a coma? JK.
At this point one has to be in serious denial not to realize there's some kind of quiet plan to keep CC in her place.
I think the biggest thing is Engelbert feels the pressure from the old guard both players and COACHES, (many of whom played 10-15 years ago) to not let all of this growth and $$$$ be about one transcendent player. They all feel it diminishes what they gave to the game. To a point , I get it. That doesn't change the fact that they're letting their own bias get in the way of taking full advantage of what CC22 could have brought to the league. As for the refs part of it is they just aren't up to the task as a group, and Clark isn't helping herself with the way she exaggerates the contact and her blowing up at the refs in front of everyone.
WNBA leadership doesn’t care about making money because the NBA props it up.
if they cared about making money they would do a lot of thinks different.
you can decide for yourself what they do care about.
if they cared about making money they would do a lot of thinks different.
you can decide for yourself what they do care about.
The WNBA has successfully reinforced more negative (and arguably accurate) stereotypes than one could have imagined. It's laughable.
This is so ridiculous.
AT got suspended because she's a repeat offender.
The action against against CC was not a suspendable offense.
Her suspension (or non-suspension) had nothing to do with CC
On the wrong team because she's injured?
Good stats almost across the board when she's able to play. And leads all W guards in usage rate. And this is all while having played some minutes not physically 100%.
Not sure what all the fuss is about
What makes you think her moving to another team would make this all better? She’s playing with 2 other all stars. Look at the results of her 1st year after the all star break and that was also after coming off of playing almost 40 games in college. We can argue that Whites system isn’t great for her but they are still scoring a bunch of points. Where is she going to go where they just let her do whatever she wants? And then will that just automatically make it all better? Her body is also betraying her. She’s gotten the **** kicked out of her for 2 1/2 years now and can’t stay healthy.
If Clark moves to another team, especially one she picks, all the weight in the world will be on her. Excuse time will be over. She better magically start shooting a lot better and clean up the slop passes.
Yes, two all stars but the rest of the roster is Meh. too much dead weight with contracts that don't fit their production. Several of these teams (like the Valkeries) may not have all stars (they have one) but they have better complimentary pieces up and down the bench. The other issue just seems like the way White wants to run this team is not a great fit for her. Add to that for her being so focused (supposedly) on defense they aren't very good at it. Last night with Mitchell constantly ending up isolated on their post player under the basket is a perfect example. Part of that goes back to the roster. They have NO post presence on defense, other then Boston and she's playing out of position. Another coaching issue there, where they want Boston to shoot more three's which takes their best rebounder out of position to help on the boards.
Any chance that her shooting issues have anything to do with her injuries the last year plus?
No reputable middle school would want that piece of garbage running an intramural league. I wrote to Engelbert a few weeks ago and explained that to her. I haven't heard back. LOL
She got away with running an anonymous league that had no influence on anything, a league that existed ONLY because it was so heavily subsidized by the NBA. Women want to be equal to men except, as in Animal Farm, they want to be more equal than others. If women's basketball is so great, why didn't people want to pay to see it? They had almost 30 years to figure it out, and yet they couldn't get any kind of decent TV deal. The Fever averaged 4,000 fans. The teams flew commercial.
Nobody gave the NBA a subsidy. They started a league, and they depended on sports fans to support it via ticket sales and, eventually, TV revenue. If it couldn't generate an audience it would have failed, and Larry Bird and Michael Jordan et al. would have had to get other jobs.
But not the women. They couldn't make the WNBA work, so they ask the men of the NBA to give them some of their money, which the NBA did. So much for women making their own way.
Anyhow, I'd love for Silver and the NBA to tell Engelbert and the W that they're on their own now. After 30 years of subsidies, it's time you females stopped depending on males to support your hobby. Go see how that works out.
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What's silly is for the WNBA to allow CC to be racially targeted from day one. What's silly is for CC to have, overnight, turned the W from an unknown nothing into something, and CC putting her life on the line to play basketball. What's silly is printing a 30-year celebration poster and leaving the only reason anyone gives a damn about the league out of the picture. Oh, there's plenty of silliness, stupidity, racism, and outright hatred in the W, something I've never heard of in any professional sports league before. The Blacks and lesbians who think they own the league are so jealous of the White girl from Iowa that they can't stand it. They've assaulted her over and over and over and over again since the moment she entered the league, and the W has stood by and done nothing publicly while promoting such attacks behind the scenes.
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That's certainly one important factor. Had CC been drafted by a team--and I have no idea which one that would have been--that wanted to help her succeed and maximize her skills for the benefit of the team, as Lisa Bluder did at Iowa, CC would have been unstoppable, just like she was at Iowa.
But when the "leadership" of the entire league is out to getcha, well, that's a little bigger issue.
What they gave to the game? LOL
The NBA makes their league possible. Without the men picking up the tab, all those independent women that were "so talented" would have been talking to people in a call center. If they were so talented and their game was so great, why the hell was it unknown to the vast majority of sports fans around the country who, like me, didn't even know there was such a thing as the WNBA until it was time for CC to join it.
There are no excuses for the mess these women have made of a once in a lifetime opportunity. They are so damn jealous of CC they can't stand it, and the evidence is everywhere to anyone with eyes and a smidgen of objectivity which, of course, eliminates that jerk from UConn.
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Hey, Alyssa Thomas, I didn't know you posted here. But just as on the court, I think your racist bias is showing.
The Valkyries are a team that everything starts with defense. Their roster is not better than the Fever. The top 5-6 of the Fever are better than they are. But yes, they have a clear idea of who they are and I love their coach. However, if CC was their starting pt guard would we all be bitching about she was on the wrong team because they are defense first? Now, I think White is not the right coach for CC but someone tell me where she’s the perfect fit and how she would lead them to a championship at this current point. We can’t just say, oh, this team doesn’t work. They already fired a coach for her after her 1st year.
If you were stuck in a septic tank and couldn't get out, what would you do? Have someone send down fast food, a TV, and some bed linen? Or, like most people, holler your freaking head off for a rope?
I agree it was/is CC dream to play in the WNBA
I don’t think CC ever dreamed she would be treated like this in the WNBA
the dream has turned into a nightmare
LA. Remember you heard it here first. If it doesn't happen, I'll eat all the crow you can serve up.
Her and Plum would make a really fun backcourt. They couldn’t guard anyone but they would score a lot of points.LA. Remember you heard it here first. If it doesn't happen, I'll eat all the crow you can serve up.