The Mount(s) Rushmore of NCAA Wrestling

[Wrestleknownothing]

Shout out to @jtothemfp who asked the question.

If you had a Borglumian view of wrestling what would that look like? (paraphrasing)

Click here to find out:

The Mount(s) Rushmore of Wrestling | Wrestling.Guru

Get out your dynamite and don't forget your chisels. It is time to turn a mountain into a monument. I was recently asked by jtothemfp of BWI fame: &quo ...

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[Coastal2]

Dan Gable is a self promoting fraud. David Taylor is a more decorated wrestler. Vincenzo Joseph has as many NCAA titles as Gable and Joseph's brackets were much more difficult.

Gable as a coach never won an NCAA team title that he didn't cheat.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

Dan Gable is a self promoting fraud. David Taylor is a more decorated wrestler. Vincenzo Joseph has as many NCAA titles as Gable and Joseph's brackets were much more difficult.

Gable as a coach never won an NCAA team title that he didn't cheat.

 

[PennState1985]

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You have to admit that the haters entered the fray in a strong manner.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

You have to admit that the haters entered the fray in a strong manner.

The manner was strong, the argument was not.

 

[Coastal2]

The manner was strong, the argument was not.

I'm just an amateur Iowa hater. Wait until the paid ones get here.



And every fact was 100% true and verifiable.

Mitchell Mesenbrink has already exceeded Gable as a folkstyle wrestler also.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

I'm just an amateur Iowa hater. Wait until the paid ones get here.



And every fact was 100% true and verifiable.

Mitchell Mesenbrink has already exceeded Gable as a folkstyle wrestler also.

 

[WexfordWarrior]

The manner was strong, the argument was not.

 

[Reslo1]

Shout out to @jtothemfp who asked the question.

If you had a Borglumian view of wrestling what would that look like? (paraphrasing)

Click here to find out:

The Mount(s) Rushmore of Wrestling | Wrestling.Guru

Get out your dynamite and don't forget your chisels. It is time to turn a mountain into a monument. I was recently asked by jtothemfp of BWI fame: &quo ...

wrestling.guru

This is great work! Imagine my excitement to see Gray Simons, who I have always thought was massively underrated. Thanks for putting this together.

 

[jtothemfp]

Wow, thanks for this! Lots to unpack, will check it out in segments.

Thanks again!

 

[Random4598375]

Shocking that Slumlord Millionaire isn't on the Contributors Peak after he singlehandedly leveled the playing field.

 

[nerfstate]

One minor but vital correction is necessary in the article: @jtothemfp may show up here from time to time, but his fame is inexorably linked to BSD-Wrestle. With apologies to Tom and Greg, of course.

 

[Aardvark86]

Other contributors? Go Willie or Go Home.

 

[Coastal2]

Things less fraudulent than Dan Gable as a coach.....

 

[Coastal2]

Dean Heil has as many NCAA titles as Dan Gable. The difference is that Heil was the impetus for a rule change...therefore Heil was more influential as a wrestler.

 

[Nitlion1986]

Dean Heil has as many NCAA titles as Dan Gable. The difference is that Heil was the impetus for a rule change...therefore Heil was more influential as a wrestler.

Gable's chicken wing was probably the reason for the rule change about putting the elbow in the ear.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

Dean Heil has as many NCAA titles as Dan Gable. The difference is that Heil was the impetus for a rule change...therefore Heil was more influential as a wrestler.

So in your world view Carter Starocci should displace Cael Sanderson.

 

[Coastal2]

So in your world view Carter Starocci should displace Cael Sanderson.

Starocci wasn't undefeated so it goes Sanderson, Uetake then Starocci then the 4 timers, then 3 timers who didn't win as freshman then 3 timers who lost the title other years then the two timers under the three years of eligibility.

If you are including freestyle results, there's a chance that Uetake would overtake Sanderson.

 

[hooraybeer]

Starocci wasn't undefeated so it goes Sanderson, Uetake then Starocci then the 4 timers, then 3 timers who didn't win as freshman then 3 timers who lost the title other years then the two timers under the three years of eligibility.

If you are including freestyle results, there's a chance that Uetake would overtake Sanderson.

 

[hooraybeer]

What about a guy like Bill Koll? 70+ wins zero losses 3x ncaa champ and then went to serve his country in Ww2 (awarded a bronze star).

 

[Joejitsu]

What about a guy like Bill Koll? 70+ wins zero losses 3x ncaa champ and then went to serve his country in Ww2 (awarded a bronze star).

and first wrestler to be voted most outstanding wrestler 2x at the NCAAs / legit claim to a spot!

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

What about a guy like Bill Koll? 70+ wins zero losses 3x ncaa champ and then went to serve his country in Ww2 (awarded a bronze star).

He was on my short list

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

Starocci wasn't undefeated so it goes Sanderson, Uetake then Starocci then the 4 timers, then 3 timers who didn't win as freshman then 3 timers who lost the title other years then the two timers under the three years of eligibility.

If you are including freestyle results, there's a chance that Uetake would overtake Sanderson.

You are completely missing the point. Re-read the question jtothmfp asked.

This is using Borglum's criteria, not what Mount Rushmore has been changed to mean.

And I quote:

"Should we sports fans also convert our largely "Top-4 / Best" usage of Mount Rushmore into these Borglum categories as well?"