Sha on the hot seat?
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It definitely was a stupid comment by Goodman. And he was called out on it.
Hilarious comment that anyone who follows the Hall knows is wild. He’s as wrong as he’s right, despite whatever sources he has or claims to have. His comments about what teams have in NIL are also typically both conflicting with other reports and/or seem off base based on what else is out there. Even the stuff he says about the programs that are covered more by the media, such that there is more info in the public sphere, typically lack nuance or substance.
There are no great college sports journos anymore...Just click bait matter that passes as content for consumption
Whatever shortcomings Shaheen has, for Seton Hall to change head coaches in this current climate would be an insane disaster. We make a wrong move now and we’ll be DePaul
We love Sha because he played here, but his tenure has been a disaster even with the NIT championship. He had so much momentum after the magical run at St Peter’s. He hasn’t been able to get the team into the tourney in year 6 with expansion then Adios amigo. It can only go up from there.
I listened to it. Everyone agreed it should be Cooley but Goodman was basically making the point there really was no other answer. The closest technically would be Sha only because he has been coaching at his current school the longest without making the tournament. Sha has probably earned himself at least 3 more seasons. While he has made some questionable decisions regarding roster management and overall game management, he has not been given the resources he needs to compete on a consistent basis and that is mostly out of his hands.
I listened to the whole thing. The point about Sha on the hot seat was ridiculous. A bad season and Sha isn't on the hot seat, the entire athletic department and mission should be on the hot seat.
IMHO, they overrate Marquette and really underrate Villanova.
IMHO, they overrate Marquette and really underrate Villanova.
Agreed. like MQ for next season but I think Nova’s front line could be awesome if that Luigi kid is everything he’s cracked up to be. A 7’3 dude who apparently might have been taken in the first round if Nova didn’t convince him to stay.
Sha is never going to be on the hot seat here IMO.
Sha's seat is frosty cold. But Cooley is another matter. If he has another bad season, Georgetown's going to be researching replacements. But a buyout, even for the Hoyas, might be prohibitive in the short term
I’ve said this before, but when Cooley and Pitino were basically hired at the same time to resurrect former blue chip programs that had been mired in a long period of mediocrity, I don’t think anyone would have e predicted that Cooley’s tenure would go as it has so far. They’ve gone in diametric paths.
Bryan Felt has never fired a coach in his entire career as AD. I don’t foresee his first firing would be Sha. He has a long leash that I think he has earned given his circumstances.
Look at these 6 coaching careers in the BE. All were coaches that took over schools with varying degrees of recent success. The first 5 coaches were fired in the last 4 years after their 3rd or 4th seasons of not making the NCAAT.
The 6th Coach has kept his job and heads into Year 5 at Seton Hall.
W / L (BE Record)
56-48 (31-29) KP rankings 51, 37, 56
48-52 (23-37) KP rankings 59, 96, 67
74-50 (31-37) KP rankings 65, 45, 66, 53
68-56 (30-46) KP rankings 66, 69, 55, 82
63-69 (28-52) KP rankings 119, 61, 75, 84
70-65 (35-45) KP rankings 58, 50, 204, 51
The coaches above are Neptune, English, Steele, Anderson, Matta & Sha. Would anyone argue the first 5 coaches shouldn't have been fired?
Just looking at the results, a strong argument could be made that Sha is a bit lucky to have a 5th season. Obviously, there are other factors and he is not on the hot seat. Goodman is wrong. He's not factoring Sha's power at Seton Hall or the fact that he's been seriously underfunded.
Question is, should he be, or are lack of RS/NIL resources a legitimate excuse for not making the NCAAT?
The 6th Coach has kept his job and heads into Year 5 at Seton Hall.
W / L (BE Record)
56-48 (31-29) KP rankings 51, 37, 56
48-52 (23-37) KP rankings 59, 96, 67
74-50 (31-37) KP rankings 65, 45, 66, 53
68-56 (30-46) KP rankings 66, 69, 55, 82
63-69 (28-52) KP rankings 119, 61, 75, 84
70-65 (35-45) KP rankings 58, 50, 204, 51
The coaches above are Neptune, English, Steele, Anderson, Matta & Sha. Would anyone argue the first 5 coaches shouldn't have been fired?
Just looking at the results, a strong argument could be made that Sha is a bit lucky to have a 5th season. Obviously, there are other factors and he is not on the hot seat. Goodman is wrong. He's not factoring Sha's power at Seton Hall or the fact that he's been seriously underfunded.
Question is, should he be, or are lack of RS/NIL resources a legitimate excuse for not making the NCAAT?
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Outside of Evan Robert’s the entire wfan lineup is far worse than both those two. On a side I didn’t realize Evan was a seton hall fan.
He, as well as the entire athletic department and mission, would then be on the hot seat but he's not now.
Where did teams finish in their conference w the same budget as ours?
Of course it is. And it’s only going to get worse if SHU doesn’t find more money. And more money doesn’t guarantee success but SHU has to have resources similar to top half of BE for a fair evaluation of Holloway.
Most all coaches have the potential to be on a hot seat. But in Holloway's case that happening, if ever, will be very far down the road. He has done more with less NIL money than most coaches not only in the Big East but nationally as well.
Even the bump up of a rumored $10M amount still has the Hall near the bottom of the league.
Even the bump up of a rumored $10M amount still has the Hall near the bottom of the league.
I love when people question his pregame and in game technical skills. If he had a team full of 4&5 stars no one would be saying anything. I watch some of the top teams and question the coaching. But 5 stars make up for a lot. No to praise UCONN but Hurley can actually coach and has the players. Would love to see what Sha could do with a 20 mil budget.
There are still a handful of credible ones out there, but for every good one there are at least ten blowhard click-baiting morons.
We have our own in Jerry Carino. Not just in covering NJ sports but his human interest stories which take an incredible amount of time to vet are first rate.
Chris is a genius.
How many other idiots became rich, household names from acting like the loudmouth at the bar who never knows what he is talking about?
Pitino significantly outperforming him is no surprise. We have to get over our friarenvy.
“He has done more with less NIL money than most coaches not only in the BE but nationally as well.” This might be the most asinine thing I’ve ever heard.
7-25, 2-19
21-12, 11-11 (with 1 decent win)
Please tell me what he accomplished or what he has done better than most coaches nationally???? You literally just talk without thinking. LOL
Going 70-65, 35-45 with 0 NCAA Tournament appearances and only 1 BET win in 4 seasons would put him on the hot seat in normal times for a program that was coming off 6/7 NCAAT teams and 2 BE titles before he arrived. But how the heck can anyone judge it that way after what’s happened to the sport when he stepped on campus – which was a major reason the prior coach departed. He’s going to get a longer leash because of that.
I don’t think he’s on the hot seat for that reason.
I don’t know if his style of basketball and personality will be enough at this level even if he has $10M or more per year on player budget. All these defections every year is a little smoke IMO. We’ll see. I hope he’s successful, but it’s been disappointing in how the team has played (the offense, even 2023-24 was terrible in non-con), his personality and embracing change has rubbed the wrong way, and so forth.
I hope it’s been more on-the-job training and we have breakthrough (hiring a GM was a good sign). Should be easier with the 76-team NCAAT and 8 more at-large. If he can’t, do we need to pay a coach $3M+ for these results today?
I don’t think he’s on the hot seat for that reason.
I don’t know if his style of basketball and personality will be enough at this level even if he has $10M or more per year on player budget. All these defections every year is a little smoke IMO. We’ll see. I hope he’s successful, but it’s been disappointing in how the team has played (the offense, even 2023-24 was terrible in non-con), his personality and embracing change has rubbed the wrong way, and so forth.
I hope it’s been more on-the-job training and we have breakthrough (hiring a GM was a good sign). Should be easier with the 76-team NCAAT and 8 more at-large. If he can’t, do we need to pay a coach $3M+ for these results today?
if he had sj's center last yr he would have beaten sju twice, not lost a number of other BE games and made the tourney easily.
His offense is not his strength. I never thought PJ was a great offensive coach. Nor was Willard imo, our two best BE coaches.
You have something negative to say against Seton Hall or Coach Sha all the time! Why?
Tell me why did Coach Sha beat UConn three years in a row, also lost to UConn by 5 pts
twice last year and St John’s by 5 pts twice last year?
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