Republicans Must Save the Democratic Party

PalmettoTiger1

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The Democrats are going so far off the farm with lying. , supporting crime , having no American values as if one says they support Democratic values I would never associate with them or hire them until I vetted them thoroughly.

They are totally heading toward Nazi based socialism or communism.

Please the remaining sane sensible reasonable turn the Democratic Party around as the values being pushed by these radicals are a danger to America.
 

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alaskanseminole

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OP excused Trump raping a woman. F cking sicko.

Please read my response to your posting

There is someone who needs therapy and the hint is that it is not me

Please consider finding another site that spreading lies is acceptable
Let's take emotion out of it and just stick with the facts (which are public record).

#1 Trump was convicted of 34 felony counts in New York state court.

#2 He was also found civilly liable for sexual abuse and defamation in the E. Jean Carroll case. While the jury didn't find liability for rape under New York's specific statutory definition, the judge later stated the jury's findings supported that Trump had raped Carroll in the ordinary meaning of the word.
 
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They already have, OP. The Democrats are shifting to the left as a response to the Republicans becoming full-throated Nazis.
 

PalmettoTiger1

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Let's take emotion out of it and just stick with the facts (which are public record).

#1 Trump was convicted of 34 felony counts in New York state court.

#2 He was also found civilly liable for sexual abuse and defamation in the E. Jean Carroll case. While the jury didn't find liability for rape under New York's specific statutory definition, the judge later stated the jury's findings supported that Trump had raped Carroll in the ordinary meaning of the word.

So the judges personal opinion is what you are using to claim rape

Sounds about right
 
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alaskanseminole

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So the judges personal opinion is what you are using to claim rape

Sounds about right
Um....no?

I'm using the jury's findings and the judge's legal explanation of those findings. The actual jury found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation. The judge later explained that while the jury didn't find "rape" under New York's narrow statutory definition, its factual findings supported describing what occurred as rape in the ordinary meaning of the word. That's not my opinion. It's part of the court record.

Given Trump's documented behavior...the Access Hollywood stuff, the above sexual abuse and defamation and felony convictions related to the Stormy Daniels affair, and the numerous admitted instances of infidelity, is it really that unreasonable for people to question his character?

Be honest, if Obama had all this "dirt" on him, would you shrug it off? Heck, go back to Reagan. Can you imagine Ronnie behaving like this? And to top it off, Evangelical Christians bending the knee to him like he's the literally savior of America is unreal.
 
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PalmettoTiger1

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Um....no?

I'm using the jury's findings and the judge's legal explanation of those findings. The actual jury found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation. The judge later explained that while the jury didn't find "rape" under New York's narrow statutory definition, its factual findings supported describing what occurred as rape in the ordinary meaning of the word. That's not my opinion. It's part of the court record.

Given Trump's documented behavior...the Access Hollywood stuff, the above sexual abuse and defamation and felony convictions related to the Stormy Daniels affair, and the numerous admitted instances of infidelity, is it really that unreasonable for people to question his character?

Be honest, if Obama had all this "dirt" on him, would you shrug it off? Heck, go back to Reagan. Can you imagine Ronnie behaving like this? And to top it off, Evangelical Christians bending the knee to him like he's the literally savior of America is unreal.

I would like to think that you really have thoroughly invested all you say through unbiased sources of reliable information along with the kangaroo court that did an inquisition not inquiry on Trump

It’s mighty interesting the only courts in the US that went after Trump the only ones finding Trump guilty were NYC with Letitia James and the other Democratic leftist liberals controlling the narrative

I doubt you know Trump

I do so I dismiss your wild eyed claims
 
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alaskanseminole

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I would like to think that you really have thoroughly invested all you say through unbiased sources of reliable information along with the kangaroo court that did an inquisition not inquiry on Trump

It’s mighty interesting the only courts in the US that went after Trump the only ones finding Trump guilty were NYC with Letitia James and the other Democratic leftist liberals controlling the narrative

I doubt you know Trump

I do so I dismiss your wild eyed claims
I don't have to know Trump personally. I'm relying on court records, jury verdicts, his own recorded statements, and documented public conduct (where there's smoke, there's fire, no?)

Let me ask you something. Do you think Michael Jackson was innocent or guilty of abusing children?

Odds are neither of us ever met Michael Jackson. Whatever opinion we have is based on publicly available evidence...not personal friendship. That's all I'm doing here. You may disagree with how much weight to give that evidence, but dismissing it because I don't "know Trump" isn't really an argument.
 

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I would like to think that you really have thoroughly invested all you say through unbiased sources of reliable information along with the kangaroo court that did an inquisition not inquiry on Trump

It’s mighty interesting the only courts in the US that went after Trump the only ones finding Trump guilty were NYC with Letitia James and the other Democratic leftist liberals controlling the narrative

I doubt you know Trump

I do so I dismiss your wild eyed claims
So since you don't like the outcome of the court you just dismiss it away? How very convenient for you. I do understand building this psychological barrier within your brain because accepting reality - the truth that you have defended, supported, believed in, etc., a rapist, pedophile, lying, sociopathic grifter - would be too much for your mind to handle.
 

PalmettoTiger1

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I don't have to know Trump personally. I'm relying on court records, jury verdicts, his own recorded statements, and documented public conduct (where there's smoke, there's fire, no?)

Let me ask you something. Do you think Michael Jackson was innocent or guilty of abusing children?

Odds are neither of us ever met Michael Jackson. Whatever opinion we have is based on publicly available evidence...not personal friendship. That's all I'm doing here. You may disagree with how much weight to give that evidence, but dismissing it because I don't "know Trump" isn't really an argument.

people like Michael Jackson have weird relationships with people

Have no reason to comment on him
 

PalmettoTiger1

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The Democrats are going so far off the farm with lying. , supporting crime , having no American values as if one says they support Democratic values I would never associate with them or hire them until I vetted them thoroughly.

They are totally heading toward Nazi based socialism or communism.

Please the remaining sane sensible reasonable turn the Democratic Party around as the values being pushed by these radicals are a danger to America.

Do you think it's impossible to form a reasonable opinion about any public figure unless you've met them personally?

Forming an opinion on anyone is usually driven to the weak of mind by what they say and what impression they give someone such as personal appearance in my opinion

My formation of opinion listens to what people say and then the connection to the actions they take to follow up those words

One reason I like Trump in the White House is he says something then he does what he says

Now to be clear he is NOT A PERFECT PRESIDENT

I take it that he is the Best President at the Moment for the US

So forming an opinion with meeting or not meeting a public person is very possible and may be dead on or completely off base but it is the opinion you form

Again regardless of my opinion I look at the policy and consequences of that person and that drives my favorable or unfavorable opinion of that person
 

alaskanseminole

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Forming an opinion on anyone is usually driven to the weak of mind by what they say and what impression they give someone such as personal appearance in my opinion
So you hold no opinion of President Trump?
Forming an opinion on anyone is usually driven to the weak of mind by what they say and what impression they give someone such as personal appearance in my opinion

My formation of opinion listens to what people say and then the connection to the actions they take to follow up those words

One reason I like Trump in the White House is he says something then he does what he says

Now to be clear he is NOT A PERFECT PRESIDENT

I take it that he is the Best President at the Moment for the US

So forming an opinion with meeting or not meeting a public person is very possible and may be dead on or completely off base but it is the opinion you form

Again regardless of my opinion I look at the policy and consequences of that person and that drives my favorable or unfavorable opinion of that person
To the larger conversation:

I actually agree with that standard (underlined). We should judge...or evaluate, rather...people by what they say and whether their actions match their words. That's precisely why I brought up Trump's documented conduct. His own words (Access Hollywood), his public behavior, the civil jury verdict, the felony convictions, and his admitted infidelity all inform my opinion.

So we're really not using different standards. We simply reach different conclusions when we apply them.

Heck, I'd even take it a step further that maybe, like Riveting, you recognize he's not a good person, but prefer his policies.
 

PalmettoTiger1

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So you hold no opinion of President Trump?

To the larger conversation:

I actually agree with that standard (underlined). We should judge...or evaluate, rather...people by what they say and whether their actions match their words. That's precisely why I brought up Trump's documented conduct. His own words (Access Hollywood), his public behavior, the civil jury verdict, the felony convictions, and his admitted infidelity all inform my opinion.

So we're really not using different standards. We simply reach different conclusions when we apply them.

Heck, I'd even take it a step further that maybe, like Riveting, you recognize he's not a good person, but prefer his policies.

Let me say I prefer NOT TO JUDGE HIM by what people say or some ot these so called court cases as if you look back through history there are lots of people with very tainted pasts that do wonders and miracles for society later in life

I personally would say that Trump has a lot of negative qualities that I don’t like but he also has a lot of positive qualities I like.

There was a politician a few years back that feuded with Trump Senator John McCain

I thought that much of what Trump said about Senator MCCain was out of line and a lot even true should have been unsaid out of respect for Senator McCains military service.

Then there was the 2016 Republican presidential campaign where Trump mocked Ted Cruz’s wife and I thought that way out of line.

Then there was feuding between Senator Lindsay Graham and Trump where they were at each others throats verbally.

I always thought was this necessary.

Now in life at some point you learn to compromise and especially in politics you learn yesterdays enemy is today’s friend. The enemy of my enemy is my friend deal.

Let’s say you and I disagree on a subject. That may be true but we don’t need to poison our entire relationship so we cannot ever agree and get something accomplished.

Politics is a dirty business with people fighting for the top of the hill. Smart folks learn how to climb as high as possible.

I have served in elected office and left after a few years which I was very productive.

The biggest problem I had was coming home to my wife who thought running a government organization was magic and a magic wand. Just like people feud on here the employees and other elected people feud because it seems everybody wants it there way.

Regarding my wife that was the main reason I left elected office voluntary as she was always telling me how I was wrong about everything.

My last statement on that is if you know so much run for public office and do it all yourself. Needless to say she would not run as running for office can be very humiliating as you find out what people think about you.
 
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Let me say I prefer NOT TO JUDGE HIM by what people say or some ot these so called court cases as if you look back through history there are lots of people with very tainted pasts that do wonders and miracles for society later in life

I personally would say that Trump has a lot of negative qualities that I don’t like but he also has a lot of positive qualities I like.

There was a politician a few years back that feuded with Trump Senator John McCain

I thought that much of what Trump said about Senator MCCain was out of line and a lot even true should have been unsaid out of respect for Senator McCains military service.

Then there was the 2016 Republican presidential campaign where Trump mocked Ted Cruz’s wife and I thought that way out of line.

Then there was feuding between Senator Lindsay Graham and Trump where they were at each others throats verbally.

I always thought was this necessary.

Now in life at some point you learn to compromise and especially in politics you learn yesterdays enemy is today’s friend. The enemy of my enemy is my friend deal.

Let’s say you and I disagree on a subject. That may be true but we don’t need to poison our entire relationship so we cannot ever agree and get something accomplished.

Politics is a dirty business with people fighting for the top of the hill. Smart folks learn how to climb as high as possible.

I have served in elected office and left after a few years which I was very productive.

The biggest problem I had was coming home to my wife who thought running a government organization was magic and a magic wand. Just like people feud on here the employees and other elected people feud because it seems everybody wants it there way.

Regarding my wife that was the main reason I left elected office voluntary as she was always telling me how I was wrong about everything.

My last statement on that is if you know so much run for public office and do it all yourself. Needless to say she would not run as running for office can be very humiliating as you find out what people think about you.

Man, you brought out the cultists. Poor f'ers. They don't care what they've become. They only care about #MUSTGETTRUMP, and if America's Institutions are in the way, so be it. FASCISM OR BUST.
 

PalmettoTiger1

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Man, you brought out the cultists. Poor f'ers. They don't care what they've become. They only care about #MUSTGETTRUMP, and if America's Institutions are in the way, so be it. FASCISM OR BUST.

Yep I actually enjoy the besting they think they are giving me. In reality they are BESTING THEMSELVES TO DEAD WITH THEIR LIPS THAT ARE FLAPPING INCESSANTLY AGAINST TRUMP

As long as the Democrats and left continue to focus on Trump they will never have a President

If they ever pivot to talking about policy they will recover

We have to keep them talking about Trump

Again if anyone of these screaming , ranting , name calling , off the charts crazy manic dudes bother me just call me duck as it slides like water off my feathers

I feel like a cat playing with a mouse

We know who wins that one LOL
 

PalmettoTiger1

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TO ALL YOU TDS SUFFERERS

GET ON THE TRUMP POLICY TRAIN

ENJOY WINNING FOR AMERICA

OR DO THE WINNERS A FAVOR AND LEAVE

LOVING THE TRUMP TRAIN
 

alaskanseminole

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Let me say I prefer NOT TO JUDGE HIM by what people say or some ot these so called court cases as if you look back through history there are lots of people with very tainted pasts that do wonders and miracles for society later in life

I personally would say that Trump has a lot of negative qualities that I don’t like but he also has a lot of positive qualities I like.

There was a politician a few years back that feuded with Trump Senator John McCain

I thought that much of what Trump said about Senator MCCain was out of line and a lot even true should have been unsaid out of respect for Senator McCains military service.

Then there was the 2016 Republican presidential campaign where Trump mocked Ted Cruz’s wife and I thought that way out of line.

Then there was feuding between Senator Lindsay Graham and Trump where they were at each others throats verbally.

I always thought was this necessary.

Now in life at some point you learn to compromise and especially in politics you learn yesterdays enemy is today’s friend. The enemy of my enemy is my friend deal.

Let’s say you and I disagree on a subject. That may be true but we don’t need to poison our entire relationship so we cannot ever agree and get something accomplished.

Politics is a dirty business with people fighting for the top of the hill. Smart folks learn how to climb as high as possible.

I have served in elected office and left after a few years which I was very productive.

The biggest problem I had was coming home to my wife who thought running a government organization was magic and a magic wand. Just like people feud on here the employees and other elected people feud because it seems everybody wants it there way.

Regarding my wife that was the main reason I left elected office voluntary as she was always telling me how I was wrong about everything.

My last statement on that is if you know so much run for public office and do it all yourself. Needless to say she would not run as running for office can be very humiliating as you find out what people think about you.
I actually appreciate this response, Palmetto. More importantly, I appreciate the candor and the respectful exchange of ideas and opinions. We don't have to agree on everything to have a worthwhile conversation. BRavo, man! 👏

That said, I think we've finally identified where we differ...I agree people aren't defined solely by their worst moments, and no politician is perfect. Where we're different is how much weight we assign to those flaws. For me, Trump's own words, documented conduct, and legal history are all fair considerations when evaluating his character. For you, his policies outweigh those concerns. I'll admit, there are some things he's done in action/policy I do agree with. I wouldn't disgard him saving a bus load of children just because he was the one doing it.

That said, he's going to need a lot of policy wins to outweigh some of the greater buffooner going on...and it's not just Trump. I've got a lot of issues with Hegseth (as a retired veteran, I probably pay more attention to the DoD actions, than Trumps).
 
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Man, you brought out the cultists. Poor f'ers. They don't care what they've become. They only care about #MUSTGETTRUMP, and if America's Institutions are in the way, so be it. FASCISM OR BUST.
Be Quiet Tim And Eric GIF


Adults are conversing.

Calling everyone who disagrees with you a cultist contributes about as much to the discussion as calling everyone on the left a communist.
 

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TO ALL YOU TDS SUFFERERS

GET ON THE TRUMP POLICY TRAIN

ENJOY WINNING FOR AMERICA

OR DO THE WINNERS A FAVOR AND LEAVE

LOVING THE TRUMP TRAIN
It's like someone yelling a Cinquain. The syllables are off but those I am making fun of won't know what a Cinquain is anyway.
 

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Be Quiet Tim And Eric GIF


Adults are conversing.

Calling everyone who disagrees with you a cultist contributes about as much to the discussion as calling everyone on the left a communist.

Cultists are conversing. Why do you think I'm amused?

No, not everyone who disagrees with me is a cultist. You haven't found the line yet.