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GesterHawk

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Social Security.



Many of them are not profitable because when you are a government agency you dont need to be profitable and you can have ridiculous expenses. ( including salary).
Social security would be completely fine if Congress kept its grubby little fingers off its trust like it was supposed to.
 

WDDT

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And privatization benefits no one but the ones at the top of the food chain.

One is the lesser of two evils and it isn't the one that makes people rich.
It in no way surprises me you think there wouldn't be peolle scamming the **** out of government ran agencies.



Just like every place that has government ran entities.


You think the wealth distribution of china is nice?
 

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Ive said it a 1000 times. If there is not an obama esq flip at the midterms the dem party is going to fracture and Joe Biden ( as an old white dude) will get thrown under the bus.
Biden is long out of the picture.

America has seen the worst governance in America's history for nearly 2 years.

Because of that, the Dems should win by a landslide. But they probably won't. Especially if the Rs pass the SAVE Act.

While the Dems are perfectly capable of blowing it on their own, I worry that the Senate Rs will go nuclear to bypass the filibuster, and will ram the SAVE Act through.

I haven't heard anyone mention that. Is there some reason to think they can't do it at this late date?
 

GesterHawk

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It in no way surprises me you think there wouldn't be peolle scamming the **** out of government ran agencies.



Just like every place that has government ran entities.


You think the wealth distribution of china is nice?
Social programs != Communism

Yes, fraud fraud fraud. Fraud never happens in the private sector either. No one embezzles or gives/takes kick backs. No one gives their buddies contracts...

No system is perfect, but if you can't tell, for profit healthcare really isn't working for everyone.

No, the government should not care for everyone because they were born, but society should do its best to keep everyone alive and healthy.
 

WDDT

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Social programs != Communism

Yes, fraud fraud fraud. Fraud never happens in the private sector either. No one embezzles or gives/takes kick backs. No one gives their buddies contracts...

No system is perfect, but if you can't tell, for profit healthcare really isn't working for everyone.

No, the government should not care for everyone because they were born, but society should do its best to keep everyone alive and healthy.
Society should do its best to keep people healthy and the government having programs to impose it are two different things.

It is incredibly difficult to actually fail in America with a slight amount of effort. In nature if you fail you die. In "chad" if you fail, you die. In america, you get many meals and a warm.place to sleep and a **** ton of programs available.


Struggle creates hardened people, soft times creates weak people. You want to make everything easy and cant figure out why there is weakness. In nature if you cannot keep up with the pack you are the one the predator grabs.
 

Torbee

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I tend to agree there is an intractable political cartel that has been in an unholy alliance with big corporate spenders. However, the issues that we see are being blamed on capitalism and free markets when it is the marriage of big capital and politics that is the problem. A crony capitalist model, like we have post citizens united, is not a truly free market. It advantages the donor class who happen to also be big corporations or their leadership.

What I worry is that this leftward swing towards more socialist concepts is throwing out the free market baby with the cronyism bathwater. I would FAR prefer we place limits on the cronyism and light regulation on corporate reach while allowing the free market to operate.

There are areas where I think social support are necessary (I’ve come around to government provided basic health insurance so no one goes into medical debt bankruptcy). But outside select cases the truth is socialism will never beat capitalism at improving society because it lacks capitalism’s inherent win/loss signal.
This is why it is doubly awful and stupid that real conservatives didn’t/couldnt kill the Trump cult. We need a rational, practical Conservative Party to check the excesses of the far left. But they abrogated their responsibility and now the Democratic Socialists are ascendant.

Hardly surprising.
 

WDDT

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This is why it is doubly awful and stupid that real conservatives didn’t/couldnt kill the Trump cult. We need a rational, practical Conservative Party to check the excesses of the far left. But they abrogated their responsibility and now the Democratic Socialists are ascendant.

Hardly surprising.
Yeah.... its the Republicans fault you are going to end up voting for a socialist torbs..... good one.
 

GesterHawk

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Society should do its best to keep people healthy and the government having programs to impose it are two different things.

It is incredibly difficult to actually fail in America with a slight amount of effort. In nature if you fail you die. In "chad" if you fail, you die. In america, you get many meals and a warm.place to sleep and a **** ton of programs available.


Struggle creates hardened people, soft times creates weak people. You want to make everything easy and cant figure out why there is weakness. In nature if you cannot keep up with the pack you are the one the predator grabs.
And yet we still have homelessness and people who are undernourished.
And those numbers will only increase in the coming years.
 
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Society should do its best to keep people healthy and the government having programs to impose it are two different things.
I don’t know what you mean by this.

It is incredibly difficult to actually fail in America with a slight amount of effort.
This is simply not true.

In nature if you fail you die. In "chad" if you fail, you die. In america, you get many meals and a warm.place to sleep and a **** ton of programs available.
So why do we insist on teaching the Bible over Evolution?

Btw, does bankrupting 6 businesses count as failure in your book? Why isn’t such a person like that not starving and dying? It’s almost as if you are conceding there are inherent advantages baked into the system that have nothing to do with rugged individualism. Odd.

Not surprising you’re also racist. 😊

Struggle creates hardened people, soft times creates weak people.
I have yet to see a better encapsulation of the life of Donald Trump. Bravo 👏

You want to make everything easy and cant figure out why there is weakness. In nature if you cannot keep up with the pack you are the one the predator grabs.

Now I know what I have been missing by avoiding church my entire life.

This is next-level comedy, Whiskey Does Donald Trump. This whole time I had been erroneously thinking the Hunter Bidens and Don Jrs. of the world were just byproducts of entitlement and privilege when in actuality their work ethic and unbridled self-efficacy were unequivocally the purveyors of their success.

I now stand completely baffled in being corrected. ☺️
 

WDDT

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Why not? It was a brown socialist woman’s fault many voted for Trump.

Good one, Whiskey Does Donald Trump. 😂
Capitalists Democrat, Capitalists Republican, socialist.


One of these things is not like the other.


The dems being socialist in disguise is nothing new. I grew up listening to my father and his friends bitxh about it. Dems just learned to quit avoiding it and embrace it.
 

WDDT

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Your continued quest to reason with this broken brained shell of a human is pointless and a waste of bandwidth.
Maybe he just has a little thicker skin than an only child reject who feels the need to create adult safe spaces so he can protect the ego of his small dick, stand on the corner with political signs, mindset.



Or maybe its just Thursday.


Either way you are still a corner sitting cuck... way she goes bud.
 

GesterHawk

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Capitalists Democrat, Capitalists Republican, socialist.


One of these things is not like the other.


The dems being socialist in disguise is nothing new. I grew up listening to my father and his friends bitxh about it. Dems just learned to quit avoiding it and embrace it.
Ooooh, is it the capitalist Republican President who wants government stakes in businesses and who is now giving away $1k dollars to kids for just being born?
 
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hawkeyetraveler

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I think you just repeated yourself there. This is end-stage capitalism at its finest.
Disagree. Blaming capitalism for the evils of crony capitalism is no different than blaming socialism for the sycophantic and self serving leaders that controlled the Soviet economy, or Venezuela, or Cuba, or China, or East Germany.

Any system without guardrails will be subject to perversion, grift, and manipulation. As it happens, markets have a good signalling system (profit, loss, public financials, etc) that means we can see the corruption more easily. It also means capital flows to positive ROI projects more easily and that companies must operate more efficiently. The signalling mechanisms in socialist systems were historically FAR less effective. On a practical level I believe that lack of transparency contributes to why socialist societies would seem to have more historic corruption and far less positive growth/progress.
 
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Yeah.... its the Republicans fault you are going to end up voting for a socialist torbs..... good one.
Equity stakes in companies, economic coercion & protectionism w threats & tarriffs, trade restrictions...all things Trump does. Since you're a Trump supporter would you count yourself as having socialist tendencies?
 
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Maybe he just has a little thicker skin than an only child reject who feels the need to create adult safe spaces so he can protect the ego of his small dick, stand on the corner with political signs, mindset.



Or maybe its just Thursday.


Either way you are still a corner sitting cuck... way she goes bud.
Your continued quest to reason with this broken brained shell of a human is pointless and a waste of bandwidth.

Much like @Scrubby, he is cool in moderation.

Much like Scrubby, I need periodic breaks. 😝

All kidding aside, both know they don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to Trump, so when they are intentionally being extra special troll-y I either just scroll right past (most often) or actually pause, skim, then remind them of their douchey-ness (rare) then go about my business.

Both are capable of better but refuse.
 

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Much like @Scrubby, he is cool in moderation.

Much like Scrubby, I need periodic breaks. 😝

All kidding aside, both know they don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to Trump, so when they are intentionally being extra special troll-y I either just scroll right past (most often) or actually pause, skim, then remind them of their douchey-ness (rare) then go about my business.

Both are capable of better but refuse.


👑 energy

 
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Torbee

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Both are capable of better but refuse.
schitts creek no GIF by CBC
 
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hawkeyetraveler

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This is because everyone views this dynamic on a single X axis from far left socialism to capitalism on the right.

When in reality what is happening is a two axis orientation. The Y axis being ability for special interests/elite/insiders to control/influence policy. Essentially the “how much cronyism/corruption/insider dealing does a country have” axis.

Most socialist countries also had a very high dose of such inside dealing. Societal elites get special privileges not available to the masses. As it turns out, that same dynamic has accelerated in the US with the unholy combo of Citizens United and Trump’s transactional form of governance.

IMO, we need to separate the ability for insiders to line their pockets/control outcomes from the underlying economic model. We must take steps to prevent this cronyism (our SC is actively doing the opposite), but also recognize that in a socialist system cronyism is usually worse because it is more difficult to see.
 

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Republicans actually love socialism. Trump could say tomorrow that the crooked insurance companies and greedy hospitals are screwing us all over so he has no choice but to use the government to take over healthcare and Republicans would erupt in cheers.

But if AOC said this exact thing, Republicans would become enraged.

Republicans love most of the principles behind Democratic Socialism. They have only been conditioned to hate these principles whenever a Democrat brings them up.
 

GesterHawk

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Republicans actually love socialism. Trump could say tomorrow that the crooked insurance companies and greedy hospitals are screwing us all over so he has no choice but to use the government to take over healthcare and Republicans would erupt in cheers.

But if AOC said this exact thing, Republicans would become enraged.

Republicans love most of the principles behind Democratic Socialism. They have only been conditioned to hate these principles whenever a Democrat brings them up.
Marvel Studios GIF by Disney+
 

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Republicans actually love socialism. Trump could say tomorrow that the crooked insurance companies and greedy hospitals are screwing us all over so he has no choice but to use the government to take over healthcare and Republicans would erupt in cheers.

But if AOC said this exact thing, Republicans would become enraged.

Republicans love most of the principles behind Democratic Socialism. They have only been conditioned to hate these principles whenever a Democrat brings them up.
That's because he's not a man to them, he's Jesus in orange - a very stable, orange Jesus one might say.

Trump’s “State Capitalism … a Hybrid Between Socialism and Capitalism” Won’t Make America Great Again