So they could be bad instead of historically bad? The 2025 MSU OL was feces on a level comparable to the 2023 MSU pitching staff. They could improve dramatically (not really expected) and still be 13-14 in the SEC.
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MSU fan pessimism. What is responsible?...
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Exactly. We all knew how strong his arm is from the day we signed him. That's never been a question. Question is will he grow from the athlete playing QB high school mentality he showed last year and mature into QB who is a great athlete. There's a very big difference.
90% of the posters on this board complained about Leach non stop. The 4 or 5 guys that were optimistic about his teams were constantly attacked on here. Run da bawl mo. And yes a mobile QB would have been nice but we won 9 games. Reckon when that will happen again ??
I was a fan of Leach. Plenty of us were, but as usual, the bitchers were more vocal.
Lebby is not Leach. The pessimism is understandable.
Agreed. His comportment just does not give me confidence in his abilities and that is backed up by his poor decisions which is backed up by his poor results. ONE SEC win in two entire seasons. Zach Arnett achieved that and didn't even last a season. I also hate the thought that we might waste the career of a potentially transcendent QB because of our poor choices for HC.
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This is true. College football players are openly professionals now. Frankly if he does well this season but State still shites the bed he would be a fool not to look at opportunities where he could not just make more money now but improve his future earnings.
The sad thing is I think he has some talent for coaching offense, but he makes multiple head coaching decisions in a game that just make me go slack jawed.
And those head scratchers are what get you beat again and again when you are playing teams more talented than you.
It is worse than that. It is a minor league system that is just a largely unregulated free-for-all where players can not only jump willy nilly from place to place they can go court shopping and have a judge override what few rules there are.
My only disagreement is on the boards that preceded this one was their reluctance to differentiate "pessimism" from "realism" choosing to call any negative statement " pessimism" even if it was simply a true statement .
Yep. Sorry if I offend but he just does not come across to me as a very smart person. The decision he made to hire Hutz then KEEP him for another season after he presided over a historically bad defense. Him being a former offensive lineman who then fielded perhaps the worst o-line MSU has ever had and that is saying something. Then as you said, the in-game decisions that CLEARLY cost us wins that should have been all but clinched. I cannot help but be pessimistic until he does something to change that.
I was still on the hope train early last season, but he just lost me down the stretch.
I still want him to prove me wrong. I just don’t have any confidence he will.
And its actually just 2 SEC wins in the last 3 seasons. Probably the worst stretch in our history and that's saying something.
I was just able to finally listen to the show, and I'll say two things
1) Of all the replies that he read aloud, there wasn't a single thing said that is not a legit concern. Most were pointing out that it won't matter as to how talented KT is if our line can't protect him, and that is 100% true
2) Hadad kinda teed himself up for this one, but it was pretty dang funny that the one hand-picked tweet that he decided to blast from over a year ago actually wound up being true. For those that haven't listened, he brought up a tweet that someone sent him during Creed Whittemore's 2 TD game, asking if we should be worried about Creed hitting the portal. Then, as we all know, Creed did in fact hit the portal, so I'm not entirely sure as to what point the general was trying to make on that one
My pessimism has more to do with the OL that is supposed to protect KT. Unless there are any unexpected surprises there, it will be a Mercedes in a trailer park situation. He may be running for his life, a lot.
He’s an unproven commodity. No one knows how he will do sitting in the pocket, going through his progressions. designed Runs and trick plays can’t be run all the time, sooner or later to run the offense he’s going to have to show what he can do as a pocket passer.
It was still founded to express opinions that were negative, true or not. It continues to be the place for those.
This is what comes to mind for me, and Lloyd was an optimist.
Thats easy. Every time the football program has a chance to have a defining moment... it ***** the bed. 100 percent of the time. And does it in highly creative ways. Hell.. by far the best OL we got in the portal who would have stepped foot in Starkville being the best OL wasn't even friken eligible. That takes some super frickup skill there. We get a coach who has sustained success? He flirts with every large university job opening allowing other schools to use it against us in recruiting and also caused dropping some head scratchers. Friken Moorhead can beat UM, but 2 teams with the current starting QB for the Cowboys cannot. Post LSU 2020, 2018, 2014, 1999, 1998, etc etc.
When good things happen, you can predict the ending just like the those gosh awful Hallmark Christmas movies every year. Same story, different characters, different location, same outcome.
I don't know anyone that isn't excited for the QB position. But Cam Newton MAY would win 7 games this year with this staff and line. Oh yea.. and speaking of Cam Newton.. we challenge for a natty if Auburn doesn't find him and pay him. But of course... Like I said.. 100 percent of the time.
When good things happen, you can predict the ending just like the those gosh awful Hallmark Christmas movies every year. Same story, different characters, different location, same outcome.
I don't know anyone that isn't excited for the QB position. But Cam Newton MAY would win 7 games this year with this staff and line. Oh yea.. and speaking of Cam Newton.. we challenge for a natty if Auburn doesn't find him and pay him. But of course... Like I said.. 100 percent of the time.
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"History" is the correct answer.
If KT gets offers from other schools after the season is over, that means we will have had a good year of football and at least 6 wins.
KT will get NO offers.
How's that for some REAL -- HONEST TO GOD -- MSU pessimism?
If KT gets offers from other schools after the season is over, that means we will have had a good year of football and at least 6 wins.
KT will get NO offers.
How's that for some REAL -- HONEST TO GOD -- MSU pessimism?
and the innovative ways in which we found ways to lose, That coupled with the success of the control group to the north (Same state, same conf., same opponents., same talent pool)
Diff. leadership and decision making. And that , for the most part, is still in place. Without changing my main effects why would i expect better results?
Raises hand, I admittedly was not a fan of Leach the football coach. I got a real kick out of his philosophy of life when it was given outside the football realm, but I hated it when he was talking to Miss Piggy Holly Rowe ON the field or was sitting in an interview and the subject changed to candy corn or weddings.
He was 2 games over .500 in 3 seasons, which most would take in a heartbeat over the extreme suckage we've been through the last 2, but I don't see .500 happening anytime soon unless this team's been breathing unicorn farts through CPAP machines since last season.
I've found that most people in general prefer to bury their head in the sand and just go do other things and try to ignore the reality. Being "real" is not always the best quality to have if you want the general public to like you. Typical sheep mentality.
Definitely not Leach. But he started slow too. Lebby may never get to 9 wins but if we continue firing coaches every 3 years we never will. We aint smart enough to hire Cignetti. I wasnt a fan of hiring Lebby but here he is
@Brian Hadad literally said in the show that the past 2 seasons doesn't give him much hope for the upcoming season but then gets onto fans being negative about the team with KaMario getting good pub from the weekend. I think we can all agree that KaMario is a big time QB prospect and to enjoy the pub but fans responding on twitter that we still suck is matching what he did on the exact same podcast.
Leach did not start slow. He freaking beat LSU in Baton Rouge. And in a regular year with 12 games, he'd have went 6-6. That's not slow.
Oh no? We keep Croom for 2 additional years when he should have been fired in 3. How'd that work out? We got rid of Moorhead after 2, how'd that work out?
Some of ya'll just can't get out of the old era mindset.
The history of MSU football is really, really bad. At first, we need a better coach. Now, we need a better coach AND a deeper pocketbook. Basketball is just a distraction. Baseball will autocorrect because the fans will demand it, and we have a stronger history there.
It would be such a nice change for us to be better than we expect. State fans are just waiting for that to happen. Then there will be optimism. As far as KT1 is concerned, every fanbase not named Ohio State would be wondering if we get to keep him if he shows out. That’s just the nature of today’s game.
lol at including the covid* year with no spring practice while installing a new
Offense and
An all sec schedule
Checks notes, Leach was 7-6 and 7-5 first 2 years at Tech and 3-9 6-7 3-9 first 3 at WA St w/ Spring practice and no covid, that's a total of 26-36 his first 5 seasons at his last 2 stops before here. LOL all you want no spring practice didn't make much difference and everybody played a covid schedule, it is what it is.
Yea because he had a major rebuiding
Job at every stop , wsu being 9-40 before he got there. Of course he went on to go 11-2 and both stops claiming national COY. Thats why he’s in the HOF slappy
You started the debate, I'm just showing you that he was the same here in his three years as he was at other stops in 3 seasons. You and others want to play make believe and speculate on his next year or next 5 or whatever here and what they would have been but that's not the way it's done. He was 2 games over .500 here, end of story and we've sucked since
ok Peaches Jr, he only had two full seasons here and delivered the fourth best season in school history. This program sucked before Leach and will suck long after.
For me it’s deeper than the head coach. It all goes back to NIL. That was the worst thing that could have happened to us as an athletic department (except baseball, and I’m not all that convinced it’s great for us there either).
On top of that, it’s now a heck of a lot harder to squeak by with a 6-6 record. That’s the absolute minimum you can do to feel like you had a not-terrible year.
We’ve got an uphill battle, and I really don’t have any faith in the athletic department’s decision makers to get it right. If Lebby does crash and burn this year and we have to replace him, are they going to learn from their mistakes or hire someone else who needs years of on-the-job training before approaching competency?
11-15 over a 3 year stretch in SEC play? Sign me up for that right now!!!