MSU fan pessimism. What is responsible?...

[thekimmer]

On today's T&L the hosts went off on State fans pessimism about Kamario Taylor in light of reports of his stellar performance at the MPA, predicting his transfer after the season. They were really chiding the State fanbase in general wondering why they have an inherent gloomy attitude about the program they support? Do they think the program just attracts that type of person or could it be that it is it a conditioned response related to years of experience rooting for the bulldogs?

Other thoughts?

 

[El Perro Grande]

It's the sum total of our existence. However, I still think we'll be better than the naysayers. It's almost impossible not to be.

 

[Wesson Bulldog]

Losing

 

[BulldogBlitz]

The system is set for this now. He can be seen as auditioning for the highest bidder.

 

[DawgNsuds]

History

 

[aTotal360]

It's the color maroon.

 

[maroontide06]

I don't know why anyone would be pessimistic about KT, but I think if there's any pessimism it's regarding the state of the program as a whole. There's definitely some individual players like KT who bring some sunshine to the program, but in general what is there to get excited for? It's going to be a rough season, but hopefully those few rays of sunshine can shed some light on better days ahead.

 

[TheBannerM]

I thought it was rich Hadad called out negative replies. That happens *literally* every post on the message board that he helped to found.

 

[maroontide06]

I thought it was rich Hadad called out negative replies. That happens *literally* every post on the message board that he helped to found.

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The pot and the kettle are shiny chrome somewhere. You probably have to sandblast the outer layers to get to the shiny chrome.

 

[patdog]

I’m gonna go out in a limb here & say it’s all the losing.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

Uh…….I got nothin’

 

[GloryDawg]

It has more to do with the Head Coach. Blew the Tenn and Texas games with dumbass coaching. He doesn't seem to learn from mistakes. The bowl game performance didn't help. They looked slow, out of shape and uncoached. Bring in a good proven head coach and you will see attitude change. Selmon did it with baseball and you saw the fan base go crazy. Do the same with football then it will all turn around. I hope Lebby can turn it around and prove us wrong but right now he is driving the bus to loser land.

 

[$altyDawg]

KT is just another thing that gets caught up in the cumulative years of watching defeat getting snatched from the jaws of victory in EVERY sport. At this point for me, KT is a great athlete that is an unproven quarterback. He has a long way to go on accuracy and decision making to immediately win over fans that have witnessed the history of MSU sports.
He may turn out to be a great quarterback, but I doubt it will be with us. We haven't put a good enough team around him, especially an offensive line for him to show how great he can be. And that's probably why we have him this year.

 

[ckDOG]

 

[615dawg]

On today's T&L the hosts went off on State fans pessimism about Kamario Taylor in light of reports of his stellar performance at the MPA, predicting his transfer after the season. They were really chiding the State fanbase in general wondering why they have an inherent gloomy attitude about the program they support? Do they think the program just attracts that type of person or could it be that it is it a conditioned response related to years of experience rooting for the bulldogs?

Other thoughts?

Our offensive line is terrible and will hinder KT. He will make some plays, but I suspect after a year of running for his life, narrowly escaping injuries, and Lebby leaving, he will transfer to a better SEC program and lead them to a playoff.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Our offensive line is terrible and will hinder KT. He will make some plays, but I suspect after a year of running for his life, narrowly escaping injuries, and Lebby leaving, he will transfer to a better SEC program and lead them to a playoff.

Our OL will be better than last season

 

[The Peeper]

"MSU fan pessimism. What is responsible?"​

I appreciate you attempting to get conversation started in an otherwise dead period, but.......... In a nutshell, though every day since December 12, 2022 this football program has been one giant sh-it show and that's putting it mildly.

Decision, after decision from administration and coaches. Hire after hire. Loss after loss. Recruiting class after recruiting class. Portal class after portal class, just a giant sh-it show. And yet, all you hear is mo' money, mo' money, mo' money, give us mo' of yo' money. I feel sorry for these student workers that continue to call me wanting to sell me tickets plus a parking fee on top of a parking fee. It is past time for that program to be cleaned, sanitized, and rebooted. Almost 4 years of this sh-it is enough

Regarding Komario, all I saw was the same quote multiple times about how strong his arm is which is why I brought up the subject of Uncle Rico in another thread. Throwing it hard and far is less than half the formula, accuracy wants a seat at the table. Admit it, he wasn't accurate last season so let's hope he has made a big jump with that.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

**

 

[HailStout]

Our OL will be better than last season

Lowest…..bar….ever

 

[STATEgrad04]

History

I came here to post exactly this.

This is the most direct, comprehensive, and precise answer.

 

[thatsbaseball]

For the 1,000th time.......this all starts at the very top and won't change until that is changed but of course we are MState and we will explore every option on how to make it worse before we make it better

 

[horshack.sixpack]

On today's T&L the hosts went off on State fans pessimism about Kamario Taylor in light of reports of his stellar performance at the MPA, predicting his transfer after the season. They were really chiding the State fanbase in general wondering why they have an inherent gloomy attitude about the program they support? Do they think the program just attracts that type of person or could it be that it is it a conditioned response related to years of experience rooting for the bulldogs?

Other thoughts?

I don’t think it’s pessimistic about KT. If anything it’s the recognition that athletes of his caliber rarely turn into a QB who can do everything well. Here’s hoping he’s one of them. I love the guy but am very much in the camp of show me, and as much of that is on my lack of confidence in the coaching staff as anything. Maybe he can achieve his full potential here, maybe his coach gets fired mid season. I’m hoping for the former but certainly not betting on it.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

On today's T&L the hosts went off on State fans pessimism about Kamario Taylor in light of reports of his stellar performance at the MPA, predicting his transfer after the season.

I'll stick to this exact point, rather than overall.

Mainly, because I'm not dumb. I don't think that KT is the spawn of Cam Newton, Lamar Jackson and Michael Vick wrapped into one, just because he can run. Lenny needs an accurate passer, and until KT can do that all this MuH dUaL tHrEaT is just Moo U rabble.

Ralph could throw the ball a mile too. But he was only successful in the system that suited him. I'm not saying KT is Ralph, I understand his ceiling is higher.

 

[DerHntr]

It's the color maroon.

It’s indeed the only color that matters

 

[Boosh]

It has more to do with the Head Coach. Blew the Tenn and Texas games with dumbass coaching. He doesn't seem to learn from mistakes. The bowl game performance didn't help. They looked slow, out of shape and uncoached. Bring in a good proven head coach and you will see attitude change. Selmon did it with baseball and you saw the fan base go crazy. Do the same with football then it will all turn around. I hope Lebby can turn it around and prove us wrong but right now he is driving the bus to loser land.

You forgot the Florida game.

 

[Boosh]

I’m gonna go out in a limb here & say it’s all the losing.

To combine a few of these. It's the L O N G and consistent HISTORY of LOSING.

 

[mstateglfr]

- 33% of D1 FBS football players entered the portal in recent years(2025 included).
- 23% of D1 FBS scholarship players entered the portal after the 2025 season.
- for the 2021 signing class, over 60% of D1 signees submitted their name to the transfer portal. Of that group, 1/3 of them transferred multiple times.


Knowing these numbers, and knowing good players on a weak top level team will be coveted and paid in the portal, it seems quite reasonable to expect good MSU players to lean towards transferring if they have a good season.

That isnt pessimism, its just logic and reality. These guys only have a handful of years to play college football and also cash in on their abilities at the college level. If they can parlay playing for MSU into a bigger college payday elsewhere and/or into a bigger future NFL payday by playing elsewhere...well yeah that makes sense.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

"MSU fan pessimism. What is responsible?"​

I appreciate you attempting to get conversation started in an otherwise dead period,

He is just avoiding the mole cricket discussion that needs to happen.

 

[40 acres and a mule]

"MSU fan pessimism. What is responsible?"​

I appreciate you attempting to get conversation started in an otherwise dead period, but.......... In a nutshell, though every day since December 12, 2022 this football program has been one giant sh-it show and that's putting it mildly.

Decision, after decision from administration and coaches. Hire after hire. Loss after loss. Recruiting class after recruiting class. Portal class after portal class, just a giant sh-it show. And yet, all you hear is mo' money, mo' money, mo' money, give us mo' of yo' money. I feel sorry for these student workers that continue to call me wanting to sell me tickets plus a parking fee on top of a parking fee. It is past time for that program to be cleaned, sanitized, and rebooted. Almost 4 years of this sh-it is enough

Regarding Komario, all I saw was the same quote multiple times about how strong his arm is which is why I brought up the subject of Uncle Rico in another thread. Throwing it hard and far is less than half the formula, accuracy wants a seat at the table. Admit it, he wasn't accurate last season so let's hope he has made a big jump with that.

Your second paragraph says it all. Thank you

 

[L4Dawg]

This board has a lot to do with it. It was founded to enable pessimism to be vented. That can't be denied.

 

[maroonmania]

Basic defense mechanism. Keep expectations extremely low and then, if and when, we start having a disastrous season, it won't hurt as much because it was somewhat expected. Basic battered wife syndrome from the last few seasons. We just expect the beatings to continue. I'm not going to go on a message board or facebook group or whereever and crap on my team but I am less emotionally invested than I have ever been in my life in MSU athletics in general, but particularly football. A lot of that is because of how bad we've been the last few years and a lot is just because of where college football is in general. Doesn't really feel like college football anymore. Its a minor pro league with mercenaries wearing different school uniforms all looking for their biggest payday. Basketball is pretty much the same way. At least in baseball there is an actual minor league where guys that just want the money can go play and bypass college.

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

The fanbase is generally miserable about all sports other than baseball. A good portion of them still think we were the nation's second best team behind Georgia this year. That's not true. Good season but weren't elite level.

Specifically for football, nothing is ever good enough even though historically we don't have anything to compare it to. People even discount our 2014 season and #1 ranking. I have seen it on this board. They complained about Mullen and Leach even when we were winning consistently. We weren't happy when we didn't blow out Bowling Green under Mullen or Auburn under Leach. It gets tiring.

I try to be a realist. Lebby made me question him last year with some of his decisions in crucial moments of games, but it's pretty clear to me that he can motivate the team. We should have won 7 games last year with the least talented team in the league. This season we will return Whitson and have Kelley Jones who is going to be a legitimate 1st rounder if he can stay healthy, yet 80% of posters know for certain Lebby will fail because they just know. Let's see how the season plays out for God's sake. Most of the "fans" on here just want to bash Lebby so they can gloat about being right if he fails. Also MSU cares as much about Ole Miss losing as they do about State winning. OM has moved past this phase. They are trying to win championships and we are just another game on the schedule.

 

[PBRME]

This board has a lot to do with it. It was founded to enable pessimism to be vented. That can't be denied.

This board has nothing to do with my pessimism.

 

[thatsbaseball]

This board has a lot to do with it. It was founded to enable pessimism to be vented. That can't be denied.

You got it backwards my friend . This board was started as a place for people to vent their frustrations and SUPPORT without being censored when there wasn't any other place to do so. The pessimism at state originates (for decades) with a long history of apathetic and incompetent leadership at State .

ETA: Apologies to the board powers that be if I misstated anything ..

 

[gtowndawg]

It's not our history, it's our coach. When we've had good coaching (Jackie, Mullen) I've been optimistic even when on paper maybe we shouldn't be. But right now Lebby just doesn't give the impression he really knows what he's doing. As Han Solo would say, "I got a bad feeling about this."

 

[L4Dawg]

You got it backwards my friend . This board was started as a place for people to vent their frustrations and SUPPORT without being censored when there wasn't any other place to do so. The pessimism at state originates (for decades) with a long history of apathetic and incompetent leadership at State .

ETA: Apologies to the board powers that be if I misstated anything ..

Yes, that's what I said. This place was founded because of negative opinions that were censored elsewhere. That's the truth.

 

[Seinfeld]

Lowest…..bar….ever

And one supported by zero objective evidence. We’re replacing guys that couldn’t cut it last year with some combination of guys that are either coming back from injuries, making a big jump from G6 to P4, or else that weren’t getting snaps for their former team.

We can all cross our fingers and hope, and we probably should since hope is all we have

 

[Seinfeld]

I think I’ve made this point before, but I can point to multiple periods of time for any of State’s Big 3 sports in which our fans were fully engaged and optimistic.

‘98-‘00 of the Sherrill era
Much of the Mullen era
‘95-‘96 basketball with Williams
First half of the Stans era
Beginning of the Howland era
Too many periods to count for baseball

We’ve won one 17n SEC game in two years, though, and you’re asking why State fans are pessimistic? If you have to ask, you’re truly not paying any attention at all

 

[OG Goat Holder]

It's not our history, it's our coach. When we've had good coaching (Jackie, Mullen) I've been optimistic even when on paper maybe we shouldn't be. But right now Lebby just doesn't give the impression he really knows what he's doing. As Han Solo would say, "I got a bad feeling about this."

We had significant factions of our fanbase who wanted to fire Jackie and Danny Boy too at times. And Leach.

Then when it came time to fire Jackie, we do it a year too late. And compound it by making a political hire. Doing shlt like that throughout our history is why our football culture sucks.

 

[The Peeper]

He is just avoiding the mole cricket discussion that needs to happen.

and the "What are you reading lately" and the "What new shows are you watching"?