2027 Recruiting Thread

LB99

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I have no opinion one way or another regarding Hagans. Hagan’s Penn State duration was just too short and he was aligned to 2 of the worst offensive coordinators in PSU history.

Penn State’s WR struggles were due to poor talent evaluation, not poor player development. Penn State recruited too many WRs who were not B1G caliber receivers.

Saunders, Ivey, and Evans were simply not good enough to play in the B1G conference. They were dreadful.

Star ratings are meaningless if the player isn’t good enough. Just look at Julian Fleming. Fleming was the number one rated 5 star WR coming out of high school. Yet, Fleming was at best the 3rd or 4th option during his 3 years at Ohio State. Fleming turned out to be a total bust at Ohio State and Penn State. He simply was not good enough to be a starting WR in the B1G.

Hits and misses are part of the game for every team. Penn State’s problem: they had a very high WR miss rate under Franklin.

To be fair, Fleming was injured for almost his entire college career. Same with Saunders. Whether or not they would have been effective if they were injury free, who knows. Ivey never contributed at all. Evans showed some potential from time to time with his speed, but the passing game was such a mess, he never really got much of a chance. He didn’t do much at Washington last year either.
 

PSUForever

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Maybe PSU tried to find a way to do it and it didn't work out? Hopefully approaching Jamar Taylor (Rutgers commit) brings a flip. No doubt a flip won't be cheap but probably no where near K Taylor $.
I think we were caught flat footed with the Nebraska offer. We were not prepared for that so we either didn't have the funds to match and/or it would throw everything off with the current WRs so we couldn't match even if we wanted to.

It was managed poorly and now we are scraping and clawing to land Jamar Taylor who is not the equivalent player/playmaker that Khalil Taylor is.
 
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PSUForever

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I have no opinion one way or another regarding Hagans. Hagan’s Penn State duration was just too short and he was aligned to 2 of the worst offensive coordinators in PSU history.

Penn State’s WR struggles were due to poor talent evaluation, not poor player development. Penn State recruited too many WRs who were not B1G caliber receivers.

Saunders, Ivey, and Evans were simply not good enough to play in the B1G conference. They were dreadful.

Star ratings are meaningless if the player isn’t good enough. Just look at Julian Fleming. Fleming was the number one rated 5 star WR coming out of high school. Yet, Fleming was at best the 3rd or 4th option during his 3 years at Ohio State. Fleming turned out to be a total bust at Ohio State and Penn State. He simply was not good enough to be a starting WR in the B1G.

Hits and misses are part of the game for every team. Penn State’s problem: they had a very high WR miss rate under Franklin.
In my opinion Hagans has to share in the blame of our WR mess the last few years. Maybe those guys were not good enough but they had some talent and did not develop at all. I can't believe that Saunders just had no talent yet was a 95 rating.
 
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LMTLION

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In my opinion Hagans has to share in the blame of our WR mess the last few years. Maybe those guys were not good enough but they had some talent and did not develop at all. I can't believe that Saunders just had no talent yet was a 95 rating.
Wallace and KLS had better success after they left PSU. Pena and Ross regressed at PSU. Was it Coaching or the QB or both?
 

PSU89er

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So Campbell should make the playoffs this year.
Yes, and I've said it before. The only reason people think we wont is a Big Ten arrogance that has a mind set that B12 starters are not capable B10 players.

I think the James Madison kids showed that is just nonsense. PSU returns about 20 starters. Actually we return over 22 kids that have started in a BCS football game. That is insane. I think we are going to be very good and the could be right in the mix for the whole thing. PSU isn't going to get any respect even if they go unbeaten until they win the B10 title game. The schedule is that weak.

Give me a kid that is rated a 4 star transfer over a 5 star HS kid any day, and PSU got a bunch of 4 star transfers to go with a decent base of PSU kids that we brought back. WE also got a lot of 3 star starters in the portal. IU loaded up with those kids last year.

Be honest. What position is the weak spot on this team? I'll give you some people will say left tackle while Goodman is a second year 5 star that has never started (that means he has the potential to be very good even year one.) OK, name a second position that PSU could be just weak. There isn't one. Are people going to actually argue that those DTs that started at UCLA aren't good enough to play here?

If you are talking about losing games. Im much more concerned about 2027, because I dont think we are going to bring in 15 portal kids, and we really might need that many.
 

Blair10

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In my opinion Hagans has to share in the blame of our WR mess the last few years. Maybe those guys were not good enough but they had some talent and did not develop at all. I can't believe that Saunders just had no talent yet was a 95 rating.

So, using your logic:

Former OL coach Phil Trautwein was at fault for 5 star J’ven Williams being a bust at Penn State?

Former WR coach Gerad Parker was at fault for 5 star Justin Shorter being a bust at Penn State?

Star ratings are just a forecast. The actual determination of talent is the player production on the field against real college competition.

Sometimes, players are just overrated.
 

DaytonRickster

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Yes, and I've said it before. The only reason people think we wont is a Big Ten arrogance that has a mind set that B12 starters are not capable B10 players.

I think the James Madison kids showed that is just nonsense. PSU returns about 20 starters. Actually we return over 22 kids that have started in a BCS football game. That is insane. I think we are going to be very good and the could be right in the mix for the whole thing. PSU isn't going to get any respect even if they go unbeaten until they win the B10 title game. The schedule is that weak.

Give me a kid that is rated a 4 star transfer over a 5 star HS kid any day, and PSU got a bunch of 4 star transfers to go with a decent base of PSU kids that we brought back. WE also got a lot of 3 star starters in the portal. IU loaded up with those kids last year.

Be honest. What position is the weak spot on this team? I'll give you some people will say left tackle while Goodman is a second year 5 star that has never started (that means he has the potential to be very good even year one.) OK, name a second position that PSU could be just weak. There isn't one. Are people going to actually argue that those DTs that started at UCLA aren't good enough to play here?

If you are talking about losing games. Im much more concerned about 2027, because I dont think we are going to bring in 15 portal kids, and we really might need that many.
I remain concerned about WR and DE.
 

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Is there a point in you comment? The three schools you mentioned have partnered with Adidas for going on 20 (or more in Indiana's case) years.

Is there a point in you comment? The three schools you mentioned have partnered with Adidas for going on 20 (or more in Indiana's case) years.
Yep. PSU's in good company with the 3 mentioned schools.
 

PSU89er

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I remain concerned about WR and DE.
You are concerned that two WRs that were the starters and leading yardage receivers at Iowa State along with the best young receiver at PSU last year as a possible back up/starter isnt good enough. That is basically, B12 players aren't good enough.

DE. I think the issue isn't how good we are, but the fact that we probably dont have a bonafide high draft pick masher out there (you are comparing it to how good we have been, and our DEs have been the best in the country). Fact is, Kemajou was a very good first year player last year and Granville as an 18 year old first year player was going to start in the national semi if Carter couldn't go. If he's healthy DE is a lot less of a problem than many think. The other part, this is different defense and the DEs aren't always going to be told to come off the end like a bullet as has been asked in the past. I think the big pass rush in this defense is going to be the linebackers. They are going to do all they can to free Bacon and Rojas up, and they will be coming a lot in passing downs.