Trump Just Surrendered to Iran--Pathetic
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Oil should come down with 2 billion dollars/ week worth of Iranian oil is now unsanctioned and on the market.
Iran is going to get 24 billion unfrozen cash immediately plus this additional 100 billion annually from oil sales plus the 300 billion IOU from USA/ gulf countries they bombed
Almost getting into half a trillion territory...Iran has never dealt with a dumber adversary than trump....they have to be dancing in the rubble of Tehran.
Iran is going to get 24 billion unfrozen cash immediately plus this additional 100 billion annually from oil sales plus the 300 billion IOU from USA/ gulf countries they bombed
Almost getting into half a trillion territory...Iran has never dealt with a dumber adversary than trump....they have to be dancing in the rubble of Tehran.
Regarding the $300B. I have a different perspective. This money is being used to reconstruct Iran and it is being governed by the US and multiple Middle East allies.
I believe the goal is to "help" Iran join the International community as a "normal" nation state.
One that is not building nuclear weapons in secret
One whose proxy terror network has been disabled
One whose centrifuges and nuclear material has been decimated
One whose hard core leaders that were doing all of the above have been killed
One who has oversight on how that money is used (key point here)
None of the $300B stakeholders (US and Middle East Allies) are just gonna hand Iran this money and say "good luck, catch ya next time". To me this is a concentrated effort to impact the entire region by partnering with Iran in a way never before seen.
Now, will Iran change? Seems like change is already happened/happening. They are very limited militarily, their economy is in shambles, the people want change, the middle east governments/monarchies want change.
Sure, we could have just bombed them to rubble and walked away, but see where that gets you on the "We Hate America" scale. It would have spawned decades of retribution.
Now we have said.....you will not have Nukes....in anyway. That dream is dead, so how about focusing on acting like a 21st Century Country, that has significant wealth in oil to raise up your nation, your people and your standing on the world stage.
Iran may not be capable of doing that, but it makes total sense to me that this is the RIGHT direction for Iran. If not, I suspect we will just bomb them into rubble.
I believe the goal is to "help" Iran join the International community as a "normal" nation state.
One that is not building nuclear weapons in secret
One whose proxy terror network has been disabled
One whose centrifuges and nuclear material has been decimated
One whose hard core leaders that were doing all of the above have been killed
One who has oversight on how that money is used (key point here)
None of the $300B stakeholders (US and Middle East Allies) are just gonna hand Iran this money and say "good luck, catch ya next time". To me this is a concentrated effort to impact the entire region by partnering with Iran in a way never before seen.
Now, will Iran change? Seems like change is already happened/happening. They are very limited militarily, their economy is in shambles, the people want change, the middle east governments/monarchies want change.
Sure, we could have just bombed them to rubble and walked away, but see where that gets you on the "We Hate America" scale. It would have spawned decades of retribution.
Now we have said.....you will not have Nukes....in anyway. That dream is dead, so how about focusing on acting like a 21st Century Country, that has significant wealth in oil to raise up your nation, your people and your standing on the world stage.
Iran may not be capable of doing that, but it makes total sense to me that this is the RIGHT direction for Iran. If not, I suspect we will just bomb them into rubble.
Money is fungible. Money we send to Iran - even if not used for their own purposes - frees up THEIR money to do with as they please.
Israel built nuclear weapons in secret. Pakistan built nuclear weapons in secret. North Korea built nuclear weapons in secret, What we've done just incentivizes Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. We DON'T attack countries that already have them. And we installed a younger, harder core leadership that now has the grudging support of its own people against the outside enemy.
LOL... Iran is not "partnering" with us. That's not a thing. They are using their control of the strait to shake us down. We gave them that superpower.
They were ALWAYS limited militarily. Their economy was a train-wreck before the war. So bad that tens of thousands of Iranians marched against one of the most violent, merciless regimes in the world. The people, who were blaming their own leaders for their troubles, now blame US. Yay!
LOL... Iran said they didn't want nukes, in ANY way, in the JCPOA. They never had a "dream" to have nukes. We didn't kill anything. If there is any result coming out of this - see above - we just clearly demonstrated to them exactly why they DO need nukes.
Sure - how many Iranians are you killing to ensure that? That's the kind of stupid reasoning that makes their need to have nukes all the more desperate. Genius.
I genuinely hope this is the case. I think it will take genuine willingness from the Iranian leadership, which is yet to be seen. I personally will be really interested in the companies that may or may not be set to benefit from the reconstruction. But hopefully that's just me being cynical.
Great, just like Obama set up a decade ago.
But this time it's different.
You need to add the sarcasm emoji or people will think you're being serious!
Yeah, but 40 leaders are dead as a doornail.
And honestly, no one cares about Obama's deal. He had his three terms.
I wonder if it will be the same guys. I bet it will be, they already know their way around Iran.
Didn’t they have 24/7 access or something under the Obama deal?
I guess they think people are dumb.
Giving Iran half a trillion and installing a more hardline govt to end up with likely the same deal Obama had is some impressive work
If that's true then why is the U.S. surrendering?
No one is giving them anything. They have to earn it. No surprise dems struggle with that concept.
They did earn it, they won the war because trump is surrendering.
So, all it took, to get back to where we were before Trump said the Obama-negotiated US-Iran nuclear deal was the dumbest, worstest deal that ever was made, is a bunch of our military resources (and money), a bunch of money handed over to Iran, our economic health, American lives, control over the Strait of Hormuz, and America's reputation.
MAGAts are like whiny children ... you're constantly complaining that mommy and daddy are doing things wrong, and you could do it better ... then when you're completely shocked that, during your heckling, someone hands you the responsibility to do it yourselves, you either freeze and can't do anything, or you muck things up so bad that you eventually give in, start trying to do things the way mommy and daddy did things, and then say you nailed it.
It's good to see you're pissed that trump surrendered. Your problem is you're directing you anger towards a person who had nothing to do with trump surrendering. You really should be mad at trump.
I don't know about anyone else, but I really don't know what or who to believe anymore on this Iran thing.
I know that in your head this sounded like a great response. Yabber? Oh boy, only the brightest of the bright could come up with such a devastating attack on the person that pointed out the limited intellectual capabilities of their party.
Or you just inadvertently proved the point of my post. We discussed this on HROT riveting. You aren’t smart enough to engage. It’s best you let sleeping dogs lie.
The worst part about the Hawkeye invasion is that the ignore feature is much harder to use. Normally I’d ignore you instead of insult you, but that’s not an option right now.
We were full on retards before you got here.
You can tell how things are going by the markets. The great truth tellers.
Oil $73.36 as I type this
Im starting to think that MAGA doesn't even always know when they're gaslighting. Which is pretty sad
You seem to know nothing about the Obama agreement. Here is a key element that caused even Chuck Schumer to vote against it:
The 24-Day Rule: For suspicious undeclared sites, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) could not conduct "anywhere, anytime" inspections. Instead, the agreement instituted a dispute resolution process that could take up to 24 days to compel Iran to grant access, providing sufficient time to sanitize facilities. [1, 2, 3, 4]
If Trump signs an agreement anywhere close to Obama's shamefully weak agreement, I will be the first to say Trump has surrendered and should resign in disgrace.
Rhymes with jabber, which seems appropriate.
So you think bringing up a spelling error as you did is being "smart enough to engage"?
I guess I hit a nerve and you're not wanting to face the truth. Your guy surrendered and is basically trying to bankrupt the U.S. We all knew that was going to happen because that's his history. Instead of ignoring me, maybe try to get your head out of trumps a$s and see what's really going on.
What's really going on? Oil is $74 a barrel. Thats what's really going on. Your other ******** talk is fantasy
Yeah, I truly don't trust either side of this negotiation one bit.
Just really contemplate that for a second.
Many Americans (probably about half, possibly more) don't trust the information coming out of the White House about this war/negotiatiions.
Where are all the war correspondents?
Where has been the 24/7 coverage of this war?
This just doesn't seem normal.
Trump could sign something more ineffectual than the Obama agreement by an order of magnitude, and MAGAts would never admit to it, and would try to spin it as being the bestest agreement ever to be signed ... so your "promise" holds absolutely no meaning to anyone.
MAGAt: "If Trump can't add 2+2, I'll call him dumb."
Normal Human: "Trump, what's 2+2 equal?"
Trump: "5"
Normal Human: "Well, time to call him dumb."
MAGAt: "5 is the correct answer. You're stupid."
Another MAGAt: "He didn't say 5. You're ghey."
Another another MAGAt: "You can't take what he says at face value, but you can still trust him. He didn't really mean 5. You're stupid and ghey."
Another another another MAGAt: "Biden was a vegetable! Blame Obama! Hillary! Kamala! You're stupid and ghey and stupid."
Iran took Trump's best punch, yet sits at the negotiating table holding more cards than the US.
That's some impressive alpha stuff from Couchfvcker.
Damn, more people have been arrested for picking paint chips out of the pond than have been arrested for **** done on Epstein's Island
Let's also remember that none of that would be necessary if Trump didn't start a war of choice against the advice of many in his cabinet for reasons disputed by his own intelligence agencies.