The art of the deal!
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I am not posting this as being critical with situation with the Reflection Pool, but I just find these tweets humorous.
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Before you insult me or make political assumptions, I am a registered independent with moderate views, who used to identify more with republicans growing up. To anyone who can critically think with any measure of objectivity, this agreement with Iran is absolutely horrendous. If you review the main objectives for starting this war in the first place, we virtually accomplished nothing and at an enormous cost. It is a simple as that, despite what many on here will argue, this agreement is much weaker than JCPOA which was negotiated over many months during a previous administration and without a massive economic disruption. Iran had agreed in writing, they would neither develop or seek a nuclear weapon, this is a fact. Yes, the previous administration gave Iran 1.7 billion dollars as part of settlement for a previous treaty and yes the previous administration unfroze 100 billion dollars of Iranian assets. However, with the JCPOA, our side came away with tangible results(despite what Fox News will tell you). To be blunt, because of the terrible agreement, Iran as a regime is better off now than they were before we attacked them. They now have control of the strait of Hormuz, they will be able charge tolls, something they previously were not doing. Furthermore, they are now getting access to a $300 billion fund to repair the destruction we enacted upon them.
As mentioned, several high profile republicans are critical of the deal. They are Republicans that normally support Trump. You know it's bad when they are willing to risk their career.
If you're a male, and you preferred Biden over Trump, you probably wanted Tampons in the boys room.
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I voted 3 times for Trump. He has betrayed EVERYTHING that i voted for. Even put Howard Lutnick in the wh. https://www.axios.com/2025/09/03/covid-vaccine-trump-nobel-peace-prize-pfizer
What the straits are closed again ?? Did the check bounced??
After reading the MOU (twice) a couple of thoughts.
1. If I was in a formal setting and submitting my synopsis for review there are some adjectives I would default to. Puzzling, questionable, suspect and dubious.
2. Informal. 2 words come to mind that best describes the document regarding US interests. Unmitigated Debacle.
1. If I was in a formal setting and submitting my synopsis for review there are some adjectives I would default to. Puzzling, questionable, suspect and dubious.
2. Informal. 2 words come to mind that best describes the document regarding US interests. Unmitigated Debacle.
"I don't like what I'm hearing of the MOU. It smacks of appeasement"
--- Former Vice President, under Trump. Mike Pence ----
If you've lost Mike Pence, you've lost.............................
Greenland is now asking Trump to invade, hoping to secure a deal similar to the one Iran got.
--- Former Vice President, under Trump. Mike Pence ----
If you've lost Mike Pence, you've lost.............................
Greenland is now asking Trump to invade, hoping to secure a deal similar to the one Iran got.
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3. You, and the rest of us, are keyboard professors both unskilled and unknowledgeable in world politics and dynamics, PARTICULARLY the middle east.
I haven't read anything particularly damning on either side. Let it play out. Behind the scenes is not privy to us.
Dude. We can read and comprehend. Doesn't take a professor to understand this MOU
It's an awful deal. L. Graham said the straits being opened was the big win in the MOU. We fought, lost lives and spent billions and billions for what we had before the war started.
Listen to what professors are saying about the deal if you are not capable of comprehending this MOU.
13 Americans lost their lives. For a worse deal?
Not sure which is the worst travesty: the "deal" or the insistence by some to spin this into some kind of "win" while finding someone else to blame. It's not a win when 13 people gave their lives for nothing.
But overall, it was the best option considering the eff up we got ourselves into. At least for now, no more servicemembers are dying.
It's not a win when 13 people gave their lives for nothing.
If the end game was the Strait, I could agree. Was that even the main reason for the conflict, or an afterthought though?
You are taking great liberties in describing and assigning capabilities to people you do not know.
The opening of the Strait appeared to be the end game at the end of the conflict. At the beginning of the conflict, it was to knock out Iran's
nuclear capabilities that Trump obliterated several months earlier.
Starting a war without a clear end game is the issue. We allowed history to repeat itself at our expense.
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He obviously thinks we are all idiots. Does anyone believe this post outside the folks with DTV? Appears they don't have security at the reflecting pool.
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It has been conveyed today that the Strait will not open because Trump can't get Isreal to stop bombing Lebanon.
Agreed.
Arguing about the strait is a different matter than what started the conflict, the nukes.
Like trump or get triggered at the mention of his name, would anyone really be surprised that vandalism took place?
I mean, they mowed 86 47 in the grass next door and haven't been able to catch whoever did it. So I dont think the security there is that good.
You could very well be correct but it's hard to believe they have vandalism at the Lincoln memorial. There were officials spotted dumping hydrogen peroxide in the water a few days before the paint started peeling. Peroxide will peel paint from my understanding. Could they be the culprits?
I wouldnt be surprised if incompetence or vandalism was to blame.
I just dont think its that vandalsim is unheard of 50 feet from where someone managed to mow giant numbers into the grass. I mean, its literally right next to the pool.
I always heard about all the cameras that around that area, but im supposed to believe they couldn't catch guys with mowers? Imho, screwing with the ph in water is much easier.
My issue with his assement of vandlaism is that Trump (examine his tweet) continually mentions "they" vandalized the reflecting pool.
Who exactly is "they" ?
I think he's referring to the grounds crew. He's really reaching here. They arrested a random person today. He'll do anything to save additional embarrassment.
And if your male and prefer Trump over Biden , your afraid your pedophile profile is out.
I dont think thats much of a stretch. It obviously means people who hate him, occasionally try to kill him, erroneously call him a pedophile and a nazi.
Seriously, if we said a vague "they" about people assaulting ICE agents, no one would really blink, right?
I do get the idea of questioning "they". Its a joke my brother and I often make about the vague unknowable ""they" who famously make so many proclamations. But I also get using it for unknown individuals or the usual suspects.
This is my point. UnknownI dont think thats much of a stretch. It obviously means people who hate him, occasionally try to kill him, erroneously call him a pedophile and a nazi.
Seriously, if we said a vague "they" about people assaulting ICE agents, no one would really blink, right?
I do get the idea of questioning "they". Its a joke my brother and I often make about the vague unknowable ""they" who famously make so many proclamations. But I also get using it for unknown individuals or the usual suspects.
There has not been evidence presented by any organization to substantive such claims.
Why is it so hard for trump and his supporters to just admit a mistake was made, and that steps are being made to remedy the situation.
I was in the corporate business world for over 30 years. There were times that plans were put in place but did not reach desired results. We reassess, find what faults were made, then implement a new plan to remedy the situation. Move on.
Agreed. Falling on his sword just isn't in his DNA. His sheep take his lead.
I have said many times that its so much easier to just say "my bad" and move on. Its a lesson I learned later in life. It is not in Trump's DNA, as vienna said.
That being said, would it surprise you in the least if it was sabotaged, just like the grass next to it?
A definite tangent, but now there are people tearing up the lining on purpose and getting arrested. We have some true idiots that will vandalize national monuments because of who is in the oval office while the renovation takes place. THEY are nuts.
I would be really upset if it were vandals who caused the algae or the failure of the blue coating in the Reflecting pool, regardless of politics, vandalism is not acceptable.
Again, No one has been arrested for "tearing up the lining on purpose". The cyclist arrested, was on the side of the pool, midday, and reached out to touch the material that was floating on top to the water. Park Police have refused to release any details.I have said many times that its so much easier to just say "my bad" and move on. Its a lesson I learned later in life. It is not in Trump's DNA, as vienna said.
That being said, would it surprise you in the least if it was sabotaged, just like the grass next to it?
A definite tangent, but now there are people tearing up the lining on purpose and getting arrested. We have some true idiots that will vandalize national monuments because of who is in the oval office while the renovation takes place. THEY are nuts.
Now, it defies all logical reasoning to assume a 67 year old, dismounts from his bike, reaches out from the side of the pool, and that constitutes tearing up the lining, to the degree that pictures have shown how widespread the damage has become.
One would need to possess on their person either chemicals or scraping tools to inflict that much damage. Hard to carry that around on a bike.
Bottom line, unless proven otherwise, it appears to be a job of very poor quality.
Own up, Man Up.
I got curious about the arrest reported. This is from Wapo:
The U.S. Park Police did not immediately respond to a request for comment about the number of arrests.
The Park Police patrolling the Lincoln Memorial area on Friday afternoon observed an individual peeling paint from the pool, a spokesperson for the department said via email. The person was arrested on charges of destruction of government property.
The Washington Post later identified the person as three-time Olympian David Hearn. In an interview with The Post, Hearn said he reached in the water after he noticed a piece of paint partially detached from the pool bottom. He said he did not damage government property or “vandalize anything.”
The U.S. Park Police did not immediately respond to a request for comment about the number of arrests.
The Park Police patrolling the Lincoln Memorial area on Friday afternoon observed an individual peeling paint from the pool, a spokesperson for the department said via email. The person was arrested on charges of destruction of government property.
The Washington Post later identified the person as three-time Olympian David Hearn. In an interview with The Post, Hearn said he reached in the water after he noticed a piece of paint partially detached from the pool bottom. He said he did not damage government property or “vandalize anything.”
The article i read had the cyclist grabbing some pipe? Other (s) were arrested for tearing the lining.
Then I looked it up again now, he was accused of grabbing a hose that was being used to clean the pool, but he also says he "just wanted to touch" the lining that was peeling.
Regardless, his was not the only case I was referring to. One article had seven people being arrested.
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Regardless of the scarcity of cases, it is defying logic to think this is the main culprit of the pool debacle. It tooks as if the contractor sprayed an epoxy over the existing concrete.
As having my inground pool resurfaced last year, I can attest that a new surface (pebbletex) was sprayed onto the retaining walls. This was after the former surface had been sandblasted off.
However, I digress.
Attempting to blame this massive error on widespread vandalism, is nothing more than laughable.
Again, Instead of twisting oneself into mental gymnastics to generate an alternate reality, why can't Trump and his followers just admit that a mistake was made ? It's not that hard.
If you read my post, I did not claim this as the main culprit, or even any sort of culprit in the debacle.
A definite tangent, but now there are people tearing up the lining on purpose and getting arrested. We have some true idiots that will vandalize national monuments because of who is in the oval office while the renovation takes place. THEY are nuts.
It was a comment on how some loons are taking their politics way too far. And I did state it was a tangent to the discussion. I agree with your statement that it defies all logic that a dude (or dudette) would do something like this. And my comment is that some people let their political stances destroy their capacity for logic.