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Trump Just Surrendered to Iran--Pathetic

What Would Jesus Do?

What Would Jesus Do?

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Has the deal already collapsed? The French seem to think so.

But there are now reports that the Israel-Hezbollah cease fire is finally in place. I'll believe it when I see it.

 
Huey Grey 2

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The first step in fixing this is to fire Trump. He is way in over his head. I can't believe we have a president openly telling the opposition that he's desperate for a deal, that his economy may collapse without one, and that we are only 4 weeks from running out of oil reserves, so he will give them whatever they want to get us out of there.

And if that's not bad enough, even after Trump gives them everything, he can't keep his twin brother from Israel screwing everything up within 24 hours.

Fire him. Even conservatives have to agree that Trump is too volatile and too stupid to stay president.
 
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WDDT said:
If you just keep repeating it,maybe someone will believe you.


Meanwhile in the real world you are an actual retard who barely has a pot to piss in.
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I do not have a pot to piss in. I'm a little classier than that. We use our pots only for cooking. I have 7 toilets to piss in, in my main residence, however. 4 others in the lake house. 4 others in the beach house. And you have a tiny brain, a tiny bank account and a tiny (read: micro) wang.
 
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Moogy said:
I do not have a pot to piss in. I'm a little classier than that. We use our pots only for cooking. I have 7 toilets to piss in, in my main residence, however. 4 others in the lake house. 4 others in the beach house. And you have a tiny brain, a tiny bank account and a tiny (read: micro) wang.
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I believe it.
 
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Not sure if this has already been commented on, I’ve definitely just skimmed some comments the last few pages.

According to this WSJ article, they’re tracing the ~6 billion that Qatar has in sanctioned Iranian money back to unsanctioned money from the Biden administration (from S Korea) for a deal to release American prisoners in Iran. But the hamas terror attack led to the money being sanctioned a second time.

I was wondering why Qatar would have sanctioned Iran oil money and this at least explains that part.


Now, I’m not saying this makes the deal good or bad, just sharing some additional information I’ve found. But there’s still not enough information about any of this, it’s almost as if Trump is overstating that status of the negotiations…
 
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baltimorened said:
thats one of the problems with this agreement. The agreement is based on third parties who haven't bought in. So if Iran feels like they can control the strait every time Hezbollah lobs missiles at Israel and Israel responds then we're no closer to a resolution than we were before the MOU.

I still believe that military operations are going to be needed, and we've given Iran time to prepare for the next assault..
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Yup ^

Trump and admin significantly underestimated Iran’s capabilities here. In terms of traditional military operations, we have completely obliterated Iran, but … all they need to bring the world economy to its knees or at least cause global chaos is a few sea mines, a few small fishing boats, and some shoulder fire missiles. All relatively cheap, easily hidden, and difficult to defend against …

only way to “win” here is for a full on operation, ground troops, and to occupy massive amounts of territory … and there is no way the American people will support that.

ya … welp … here we are.
 
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PAWrocka said:
Yup ^

Trump and admin significantly underestimated Iran’s capabilities here. In terms of traditional military operations, we have completely obliterated Iran, but … all they need to bring the world economy to its knees or at least cause global chaos is a few sea mines, a few small fishing boats, and some shoulder fire missiles. All relatively cheap, easily hidden, and difficult to defend against …

only way to “win” here is for a full on operation, ground troops, and to occupy massive amounts of territory … and there is no way the American people will support that.

ya … welp … here we are.
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That’s the thing. Everyone knew that was the case and Trump charged in anyway. I’m sure he thought it’d be easy and nobody could convince him otherwise.
 
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A senior US official confirmed on a media briefing call that Operation Project Freedom — the covert mission to escort oil tankers through the Strait of Hormuz — has been an "unsung hero" in the Iran negotiations.

Over 7 million barrels of oil per day were being moved through the Strait. This massively increased US leverage against Iran.

While the fake news was saying Iran controls the Strait — Trump was moving 7 million barrels of oil per day right through it. Iran had no power to stop any of it.
 
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TigerGrowls said:


A senior US official confirmed on a media briefing call that Operation Project Freedom — the covert mission to escort oil tankers through the Strait of Hormuz — has been an "unsung hero" in the Iran negotiations.

Over 7 million barrels of oil per day were being moved through the Strait. This massively increased US leverage against Iran.

While the fake news was saying Iran controls the Strait — Trump was moving 7 million barrels of oil per day right through it. Iran had no power to stop any of it.
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The max capacity of a supertanker is 2-3 million barrels of oil depending on the size of ship. 7 million barrels ain’t nothing, but it is not “massively increased leverage”.

And if we had massive leverage why did we capitulate on virtually every strategic objective Trump laid out?
 
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UrHuckleberry said:
I hear you on this, but saying this after basically giving them everything they want somewhat lessens it doesn't it? Also, we've yet to actually see this be true. Saw reports Israel was still attacking targets in Lebanon, similar to the ceasefire in Gaza.
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I'll admit that it is hollow for Trump to do this now after everything he's let slide in the past and I don't believe it will stick.

But step one in getting Netanyahu under control is not being afraid to publicly challenge his actions. And that was an easy step that Kamala and Biden refused to do.
 
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WDSMHawk said:
I'll admit that it is hollow for Trump to do this now after everything he's let slide in the past and I don't believe it will stick.

But step one in getting Netanyahu under control is not being afraid to publicly challenge his actions. And that was an easy step that Kamala and Biden refused to do.
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Trump has no control over Bibi. It's clear that Bibi controls him. Neither Obama nor Biden let Israel lead us into the dumbest war in generations. That honor belongs exclusively to the broken down 80 year old clown currently in office.
 
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hawkeyetraveler said:
The max capacity of a supertanker is 2-3 million barrels of oil depending on the size of ship. 7 million barrels ain’t nothing, but it is not “massively increased leverage”.

And if we had massive leverage why did we capitulate on virtually every strategic objective Trump laid out?
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Disagree with your opinion on capitulation. The US is dictating terms and we will be on the winning end when its over.
 
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TigerGrowls said:
Disagree with your opinion on capitulation. The US is dictating terms and we will be on the winning end when its over.
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Trump just offered Iran $425 billion in exchange for opening a strait that was already open for free before the 80 year old got us into this moronic war. Trump disrespected America and made us look like clowns with this whole fiasco.
 
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Huey Grey 2 said:
Trump just offered Iran $425 billion in exchange for opening a strait that was already open for free before the 80 year old got us into this moronic war. Trump disrespected America and made us look like clowns with this whole fiasco.
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Moronic and desperate description of the US dominance over Iran. You would of been a torie for sure back in 1776.
 
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WDSMHawk said:
I'll admit that it is hollow for Trump to do this now after everything he's let slide in the past and I don't believe it will stick.

But step one in getting Netanyahu under control is not being afraid to publicly challenge his actions. And that was an easy step that Kamala and Biden refused to do.
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Much rather someone be nice in public and push back behind closed doors, than the reverse.
 
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sleepy64561 said:
I disagree with almost everything he says, but I’m pretty sure he’s not a troll. He’s active on both the regular forum as well as this political forum.
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He’s not a troll. He and @fatpiggy have been here for years, posting the same crap. They either really think this or are playing a long game of epic proportions, which I doubt. I don’t think they are smart enough. I think they are just old white maga men that live in an ever shrinking echo chamber.

Nice you have you Iowans here to play with them. I think they were a bit lonely
 
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hawkeyetraveler said:
The max capacity of a supertanker is 2-3 million barrels of oil depending on the size of ship. 7 million barrels ain’t nothing, but it is not “massively increased leverage”.

And if we had massive leverage why did we capitulate on virtually every strategic objective Trump laid out?
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It's horseshit, as usual. Prior to the war, about 20M bbl/day passed through the strait. They want you to believe they were moving over a third of that through with no one knowing? 😂 :ROFLMAO: 😂 :ROFLMAO:
 
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WDSMHawk said:
There's only so much push back you can provide in private while you're still vocally supporting and defending in public.
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Sure, but on the flip side, you can actually join and lead a war supporting, and somehow saying no (with no actual consequences attached) after the fact is somehow better?
 
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Huey Grey 2 said:
Trump has no control over Bibi. It's clear that Bibi controls him. Neither Obama nor Biden let Israel lead us into the dumbest war in generations. That honor belongs exclusively to the broken down 80 year old clown currently in office.
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And let’s not forget it was to distract from the Epstein files showing he was part of a child sex ring….
 
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noleclone2 said:
Going to be hard with the money their interests pay both sides of the aisle.
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