The New Lounge

[AcnYoda]

You must have been in a coma for the past week if you think this deal is projecting American strength. This is the most embarrassed I’ve been of a President in my lifetime. Far worse than the Afghan withdrawal, due to the stakes involved. Trump has given the green light for Iran to continue to fund terror proxies and also given the okay for Iran to resume its ballistic missile program so I have no clue what you’re going on about.

This isn’t even a deal yet. It’s us telling the IRGC whatever they want to hear so we get the dust out of there. After that, they have to behave and function the exact opposite of how they have for 47 years to receive $ benefits. Nobody believes they will behave, so it doesn’t matter what this ****** deal says, because it’s based on behavior we all know Iran won’t follow. So afree we get the nuclear dust, if they don’t behave, we bomb them some more, we take out more of their leaders, etc. this will all work out just fine. Don’t listen to the noise. You guys need to be smarter than that. You’re getting manipulated.

 

[AcnYoda]

2). This war was deeply unpopular. If there’s another round of bombing, it will be even more so. Thanks to the ineptitude of this campaign, Iran now knows they can close the Strait and Trump will insult them on his X account, but the only real consequence will be that gas prices will go up and Trump will cut and run. They’ll just wait it out.
3) The Strait was open before this began. I supported the first two months, but we were always eyeing the endgame to ultimately render a verdict. The verdict is in. We all appreciate lower gas prices and the positive ripple effects for the economy, esp for businesses and lower income Americans, but opening the Strait is a cleanup of the mess he made, not a victory. Itan benefits from an open strait financially as much as anyone.
4) You lost me at Lord’s of London. Guess it was over my head.
Good to have you back yoda.

You see it’s these kinds of comments that show you’ve listened too such to the nonsense media. these war planners on all sides do war games scenarios all
day everyday to see what the other side might do. our military planners knew since forever that Iran could close the Strait. That was NOT A SURPRISE AT ALL. Come on, you’re smarter than this!! Isn’t Duke a good school? I know it’s not ucla but you should be able to recognize the fake news lies. Our military knows every move and countermove Iran made, long before they made them. We weakened the IRGC enough that now the Iranian people and others can overthrow them. Or if not, they’re weakened beyond measure, and rest assured Israel will continue to bomb them until they’re done. Toast. Trump did what he had to do, now time to bring gas prices down, and help the global economies. No worries. It’s going to be ok. Don’t listen to the media nonsense. They’re paid to say what they’re saying.

 

[AcnYoda]

“At this point they’re not defending themselves, they’re just attacking and attacking”. This is a common narrative, but is it based in reality? Are you aware that since Oct 7, Hamas has fired an estimated 19,000 rockets into Israel, most targeted at civilians? How many would it take for Israel to have a right to defend itself? 30,000? 100,000? Most of these rockets were fired from apt buildings, schools, hospitals, etc.

“For years and years”. It was two years, and as mentioned previously and rarely covered by the media, Hamas was lobbing rockets into Israel for the entirety of this time. If Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, at any time released the hostages and stopping firing at Israel, the Idf would have stopped bombing.

hamas has been being attacked and justifiably so for years now, and aren’t gone. That’s a forever war. And their whole region is a parking lot. It’s devastated. Who was helped by that? And Netanyahu allowed that attack on an Israel as justification to go in and bomb them to heck.

 

[KDSTONE]

hamas has been being attacked and justifiably so for years now, and aren’t gone. That’s a forever war. And their whole region is a parking lot. It’s devastated. Who was helped by that? And Netanyahu allowed that attack on an Israel as justification to go in and bomb them to heck.

Netanyahu has certainly benefited from the war politically no doubt, but if you’re going to libel him in that way, evidence would be good, some might even say required.

 

[AcnYoda]

Netanyahu has certainly benefited from the war politically no doubt, but if you’re going to libel him in that way, evidence would be good, some might even say required.

He’s bombing everyone and even my Israeli friends from Israel are saying, WTF? Enough already. Obviously he amd Ukraine president want wars to keep going because the moment they end these clowns get voted out of office.

 

[KDSTONE]

This isn’t even a deal yet. It’s us telling the IRGC whatever they want to hear so we get the dust out of there. After that, they have to behave and function the exact opposite of how they have for 47 years to receive $ benefits. Nobody believes they will behave, so it doesn’t matter what this ****** deal says, because it’s based on behavior we all know Iran won’t follow. So afree we get the nuclear dust, if they don’t behave, we bomb them some more, we take out more of their leaders, etc. this will all work out just fine. Don’t listen to the noise. You guys need to be smarter than that. You’re getting manipulated.

So Trump knows Iran “won’t follow” the plan so that’s why he came up with such a ****** plan, mainly to get gas prices down but also because America doesnt like “forever wars”, but plan B which is actually plan A is just to keep bombing them? This about sum it up?

 

[KDSTONE]

He’s bombing everyone and even my Israeli friends from Israel are saying, WTF? Enough already. Obviously he amd Ukraine president want wars to keep going because the moment they end these clowns get voted out of office.

Like totally.

 

[AcnYoda]

So Trump knows Iran “won’t follow” the plan so that’s why he came up with such a ****** plan, mainly to get gas prices down but also because America doesnt like “forever wars”, but plan B which is actually plan A is just to keep bombing them? This about sum it up?

There are a lot of moving parts to this. For example…
1) we had to beat down Iran a ton to bring them to the table, something none of our past WEAK presidents did. They tried to make a deal by bribing Iran, it didn’t work, that only emboldened them. Trump took out their top 2 tiers of crazy leadership, devastated their navy, anti aircraft, literally everything. That put us in a better position of leverage to even make a deal.

2) Trump with Irans unintentional help by bombing their neighbors, Trump brought all of Irans neighbors to the table with buy in on this deal, they reportedly love this deal, vs the JCPOA the neighbors HATED IT. So they can help enforce it.

3) We got some quiet support from China when they didn’t arm and support Iran to the degree they could have. And their input and Russia’s is included in this new proposed deal. So China and Russia can Veto this deal if they choose to, that respects China and Russia in this process too. the JCPOA had no buy in from these other countries, NONE.

4) Most of the incentives we offered Iran in this proposed deal are incentives laden. Or behavior based. Meaning, if Iran gives us the nuclear dust, they get sanctions relief, because it weakens their leverage significantly. If Iran dismantles much of their Nuclear capabilities, they get relief. If Iran stops bombing its neighbors they get relief. If Iran stops financing its proxies, they get relief.

For 47 years, Iran hasn’t stopped doing ANY of those things, and I’m skeptical they will stop. Meaning, they won’t see much if any sanctions relief at all, they’ll renege on this deal, and we will be forced in several months to bomb them to smitheeens again. But in the meantime, the Kurds and the existing 90 millions Iranians living in Iran are rising up and will also try to overthrow this regime, or what’s left of it. Plus, Israel is going to prepare and reload and also continue to weaken this regime too. Iran’s neighbors will buold up their Anti missiles and they will be more prepared to deal with Iran in several months too If Iran reneges on this deal, and they will renege. So listen…

THIS DEAL AND EVERY PAST DEAL WITH IRAN IS JUST A WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER. SO REALLY, WHY DID WE OFFER THIS 60 day DEAL? Simple.
WE NEEDED TO GET ALL OF THESE SHIPS AND OIL OUT IF THE STRAIT, LOWER FUEL PRICES, AND HELP THE GLOBAL ECONOMY NOT CRASH FROM IRANS TEMPORARY LEVERAGE MOVE. BUT IN 3-6 months, their leverage is much smaller. Because everyone in the region is now much more prepared for this eventuality If Iran tried to close the Strait again. Everyone. The USA military will be given more time now to war games prepare and plan for phase 2 - Epic elimination if the IRGC altogether. And Iran is left spending the next 3-4 months just trying to lick their wounds and survive. And that will be short
ives because now, every neighbor, plus USA and Israel are preparing for the next round of fighting AFTER the midterms. Between now and then gas prices should plummet, we have semi peace in the region, hopefully Netanyahu is replaced. the Save America Act is passed. Everything that strengthens our country is happening while Iran is just trying to barely Surive. But eventually, Iran will become IRGC free. But it’s also up to them to rise up and take back their country. Just like it’s up to us Americans to take back ours from Soros and the socialist communists anti American faction here who own the mainstream media and have been brainwashing our kids with weak woke anti guns anti men rhetoric designed to divide and weaken our country so that the NeoCon Globalists could control us, in every way imaginable. We are fighting for survival as a country too. But most amaericams don’t see it hsppening. What Trump and his cabinet are doing to dismantle the globalists is stunning. We will look back on this in several years and realize how significant this moment in time is for our countries very survival. For democracies survival. Because had Kamala won, this country would be screwed.

 

[AcnYoda]

Like totally.

We need new leadership in Ukraine, The UK and Israel just to name a few. This 3 leaders are promoting forever fighting except for the UK does it by pulling the puppet strings. Whjle Ukraine and Israel just keep fighting wars. Because the moment it stops, they are voted out. And had Trump not ended this Ifan war now, if the bombing continued, he would be stuck in a similar situation as Israel and Ukraine. The fighting has to continue otherwise they get replaced and voted out. Self preservation is a big part of why this ceasefire had to happen. But it’s temporary. The plan is still to remove the IRGC, and quietly it’s in motion as we speak. But forever wars with evil regimes Is not the answer. One way or another, it’s always better to have peace and peace talks. Not death, destruction and killing all the time. And that’s what Russia, Ukraine and sadly Israel have chosen or been unable or unwilling to end. It has to stop. Enough is enough already.

 

[KDSTONE]

There are a lot of moving parts to this. For example…
1) we had to beat down Iran a ton to bring them to the table, something none of our past WEAK presidents did. They tried to make a deal by bribing Iran, it didn’t work, that only emboldened them. Trump took out their top 2 tiers of crazy leadership, devastated their navy, anti aircraft, literally everything. That put us in a better position of leverage to even make a deal.

2) Trump with Irans unintentional help by bombing their neighbors, Trump brought all of Irans neighbors to the table with buy in on this deal, they reportedly love this deal, vs the JCPOA the neighbors HATED IT. So they can help enforce it.

3) We got some quiet support from China when they didn’t arm and support Iran to the degree they could have. And their input and Russia’s is included in this new proposed deal. So China and Russia can Veto this deal if they choose to, that respects China and Russia in this process too. the JCPOA had no buy in from these other countries, NONE.

4) Most of the incentives we offered Iran in this proposed deal are incentives laden. Or behavior based. Meaning, if Iran gives us the nuclear dust, they get sanctions relief, because it weakens their leverage significantly. If Iran dismantles much of their Nuclear capabilities, they get relief. If Iran stops bombing its neighbors they get relief. If Iran stops financing its proxies, they get relief.

For 47 years, Iran hasn’t stopped doing ANY of those things, and I’m skeptical they will stop. Meaning, they won’t see much if any sanctions relief at all, they’ll renege on this deal, and we will be forced in several months to bomb them to smitheeens again. But in the meantime, the Kurds and the existing 90 millions Iranians living in Iran are rising up and will also try to overthrow this regime, or what’s left of it. Plus, Israel is going to prepare and reload and also continue to weaken this regime too. Iran’s neighbors will buold up their Anti missiles and they will be more prepared to deal with Iran in several months too If Iran reneges on this deal, and they will renege. So listen…

THIS DEAL AND EVERY PAST DEAL WITH IRAN IS JUST A WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER. SO REALLY, WHY DID WE OFFER THIS 60 day DEAL? Simple.
WE NEEDED TO GET ALL OF THESE SHIPS AND OIL OUT IF THE STRAIT, LOWER FUEL PRICES, AND HELP THE GLOBAL ECONOMY NOT CRASH FROM IRANS TEMPORARY LEVERAGE MOVE. BUT IN 3-6 months, their leverage is much smaller. Because everyone in the region is now much more prepared for this eventuality If Iran tried to close the Strait again. Everyone. The USA military will be given more time now to war games prepare and plan for phase 2 - Epic elimination if the IRGC altogether. And Iran is left spending the next 3-4 months just trying to lick their wounds and survive. And that will be short
ives because now, every neighbor, plus USA and Israel are preparing for the next round of fighting AFTER the midterms. Between now and then gas prices should plummet, we have semi peace in the region, hopefully Netanyahu is replaced. the Save America Act is passed. Everything that strengthens our country is happening while Iran is just trying to barely Surive. But eventually, Iran will become IRGC free. But it’s also up to them to rise up and take back their country. Just like it’s up to us Americans to take back ours from Soros and the socialist communists anti American faction here who own the mainstream media and have been brainwashing our kids with weak woke anti guns anti men rhetoric designed to divide and weaken our country so that the NeoCon Globalists could control us, in every way imaginable. We are fighting for survival as a country too. But most amaericams don’t see it hsppening. What Trump and his cabinet are doing to dismantle the globalists is stunning. We will look back on this in several years and realize how significant this moment in time is for our countries very survival. For democracies survival. Because had Kamala won, this country would be screwed.

3) So China and Russia support the Mou. Do you even hear yourself?
4) There’s nothing, zilch, nada, about Iran’s funding of proxies in the mou.
There’s no evidence whatsoever that conditions are ripe for an uprising in Iran. None.

 

[KDSTONE]

We need new leadership in Ukraine, The UK and Israel just to name a few. This 3 leaders are promoting forever fighting except for the UK does it by pulling the puppet strings. Whjle Ukraine and Israel just keep fighting wars. Because the moment it stops, they are voted out. And had Trump not ended this Ifan war now, if the bombing continued, he would be stuck in a similar situation as Israel and Ukraine. The fighting has to continue otherwise they get replaced and voted out. Self preservation is a big part of why this ceasefire had to happen. But it’s temporary. The plan is still to remove the IRGC, and quietly it’s in motion as we speak. But forever wars with evil regimes Is not the answer. One way or another, it’s always better to have peace and peace talks. Not death, destruction and killing all the time. And that’s what Russia, Ukraine and sadly Israel have chosen or been unable or unwilling to end. It has to stop. Enough is enough already.

Ukraine didn’t choose the war. They were invaded. As to why the war hasn’t ended, do you think it could possibly have anything to do with the idea that ceding territory to Russia gained by an illegal invasion could be perceived as problematic at best and setting a dangerous precedent at worst?

 

[AcnYoda]

Ukraine didn’t choose the war. They were invaded. As to why the war hasn’t ended, do you think it could possibly have anything to do with the idea that ceding territory to Russia gained by an illegal invasion could be perceived as problematic at best and setting a dangerous precedent at worst?

Don’t you think Ukraine could cede territory since they might never end their war otherwise?? Do you think Trump and his team wanted to offer so many concessions to the IRGC? No. I can answer that question for you. They offered them so that we could get the Strair open and get gas prices down. I’m quite sure us and Israel will continue bombing the IRGC when they break the deal, and this will be an ongoing thing.. but at least for now, there’s a ceasefire and semi peace. Something that is not happening in Ukraine. These other wars go on far too long, because neither side is willing to concede.

Americans are so naïve, that we believe that our corrupt government wasn’t doing everything they could to piss off Russia for the past decade, plus. Eventually, Europe and the US pissed Russia off so much, that Russia went and attacked Ukraine. Was it OK that they did that? No absolutely not. Do I understand why they did it? Yes. Half of Ukraine already speaks Russia, they can cede parts of Ukraine to Russia. Who really cares? That’s what happens in war. You have to make concessions.

 

[DuckDevil]

I can’t be the only one who sees phrases like:

• “follow the money”
• “the banking system”
• “global elite”
• “global leaders”
• “controlled by”
• “they can keep and grow their power”
• “share it with generations to come”

…and immediately has the hair on the back of their neck stand up, right?

 

[AcnYoda]

I can’t be the only one who sees phrases like:

• “follow the money”
• “the banking system”
• “global elite”
• “global leaders”
• “controlled by”
• “they can keep and grow their power”
• “share it with generations to come”

…and immediately has the hair on the back of their neck stand up, right?

That’s because you watch too much CNN. You probably think Fauci is innocent too. We call that brainwashing you.

 

[DuckDevil]

Comic book levels of corruption.

 

[DuckDevil]

That’s because you watch too much CNN. You probably think Fauci is innocent too. We call that brainwashing you.

 

[Mac9192]

I can’t be the only one who sees phrases like:

• “follow the money”
• “the banking system”
• “global elite”
• “global leaders”
• “controlled by”
• “they can keep and grow their power”
• “share it with generations to come”

…and immediately has the hair on the back of their neck stand up, right?

You have ragged on billionaires throught the last few pages of this thread. Now you’re questioning phrases like “follow the money, and global elites…”

Money, money, money. It gets wins, controls people, and those that have it by the truckloads? They have the power. This isn’t rocket science.

Been this way since Rockefeller, Morgan, Carnegie, and a few others were vying to be the wealthiest.

 

[DuckDevil]

Conspiracy theories must hit so hard if you’re stupid.

 

[DuckDevil]

You have ragged on billionaires throught the last few pages of this thread. Now you’re questioning phrases like “follow the money, and global elites…”

Money, money, money. It gets wins, controls people, and those that have it by the truckloads? They have the power. This isn’t rocket science.

Been this way since Rockefeller, Morgan, Carnegie, and a few others were vying to be the wealthiest.

Hang in there, @Mac9192, someone smarter will come along and explain it to you.

 

[Mac9192]

Come on lil duckey, think kid. Seriously, you don’t need a diploma from Harvard to understand this. Money buys power.

I know it’s hard for a kid like you, but try thinking for yourself.

 

[AcnYoda]

Comic book levels of corruption.

CNN and other far left networks make you attack all things Trump. So you show that Trump has donors who are corrupt. I agree. Both Dems and Republicans have corrupt donors, both sides have corrupt politicians. I’m not brainwashed, I don’t love Trump or Dems, I prefer common sense, and many socialist Dem politicians currently hate our country. Trump loves our country, that’s the difference.

 

[KDSTONE]

Meet Rebecca Heinrichs, frequent Fox News contributor who apparently lost the script on her way to the studio. “Fake news”?

Rebeccah Heinrichs raises major concerns over Iran deal's impact | Fox News Video

Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Rebeccah Heinrichs expresses deep concerns over the proposed Iran deal, citing risks like Iran's access to oil, potential control over the Strait of Hormuz and the loss of U.S. leverage through sanctions.

www.foxnews.com

Here’s Trey Gowdy. Former Republican congressman from SC who somehow conned Fox News into giving him his own show on Sunday night.

Fox’s Trey Gowdy Trashes Trump Peace Deal for Making Iran a ‘Richer Country’ Even Though ‘They Lost The War’

Fox News host Trey Gowdy offered a scathing assessment of the memorandum of understanding (MOU) that President Donald Trump is going to sign with Iran on Friday.

www.mediaite.com

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Seriously, can you not read, or are you intentionally being obtuse?

Here you go again, never considering the possibility that reasonable people may have different views on things.
You are simping for billionaires, coming to the defense of the well-defended. You do this repeatedly, against anyone who actually suffers other than cis Christian heterosexual rural white people. And yes, bemoaning the "global elite" -- in addition to being an antisemitic trope -- is complaining about the same powerful people you regularly defend like a sycophant. When do you ever stand up for people who are different from you?

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Comic book levels of corruption.

Bu-bu-but great, totally natural hair! Pretty, totally natural femålé! Him have inspire-making good!

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

I can’t be the only one who sees phrases like:

• “follow the money”
• “the banking system”
• “global elite”
• “global leaders”
• “controlled by”
• “they can keep and grow their power”
• “share it with generations to come”

…and immediately has the hair on the back of their neck stand up, right?

I would have thought @KDSTONE would agree, but I guess he gives it a pass when it's coming from within the house.

 

[KDSTONE]

I would have thought @KDSTONE would agree, but I guess he gives it a pass when it's coming from within the house.

A while back, duck commented to Mac that he doesn’t know anything about him and never will. Wise policy, one I wish I’d followed.

 

[Mac9192]

Here you go again, never considering the possibility that reasonable people may have different views on things.
You are simping for billionaires, coming to the defense of the well-defended. You do this repeatedly, against anyone who actually suffers other than cis Christian heterosexual rural white people. And yes, bemoaning the "global elite" -- in addition to being an antisemitic trope -- is complaining about the same powerful people you regularly defend like a sycophant. When do you ever stand up for people who are different from you?

i don’t have a problem with reasonable people not seeing things the way I do. The two liberals in this thread though, are anything but reasonable.

Like a child, you twist wording, and hurl your usual liberal talking points at me. Like when I say global elites are the evil people, you make your “MAGA conspiracy” comments. But because I don’t call all billionaires evil, you come back even dumber (didn’t know that was possible) and say I’m for billionaires, or that the only people I defend are Christian white, rural men that are straight.

You need some rest Datt. Some good rest. Posting at 6:50 in the morning is a bad idea for you. The best thing for you is your head attached to a pillow, and shut down your phone.

 

[KDSTONE]

I find it interesting that Leftists are self described experts in identifying and calling out Nazi era examples of antisemitism ( Protocols type stuff, global elites, hook nosed bankers, etc. ), but are completely silent when more modern, rebranded forms of antisemitism emerge that are attached to an alleged social justice movement. Criticism of Israel is one thing. When you’ve become obsessed with a foreign country to the point you’re chanting outside of synagogues and Hillel houses, excluding Jewish students from parts of campus, then it’s become something else entirely.

 

[AcnYoda]

I find it interesting that Leftists are self described experts in identifying and calling out Nazi era examples of antisemitism ( Protocols type stuff, global elites, hook nosed bankers, etc. ), but are completely silent when more modern, rebranded forms of antisemitism emerge that are attached to an alleged social justice movement. Criticism of Israel is one thing. When you’ve become obsessed with a foreign country to the point you’re chanting outside of synagogues and Hillel houses, excluding Jewish students from parts of campus, then it’s become something else entirely.

I think it’s becoming apparent that The IRGC are unserious about peace, and we should take over the Strait asap, obliterate what’s left of the IRGC, and free the Iranian people after 47 years. Here’s the dumbest argument the left has…

so I’m the one hand, the left says no matter what the IRGC promises TO do on paper, they’ve proven they cannot be trusted, and their promise is not worth the paper that it’s written on, and I agree with this. So even if the IRGC put in writing that they were going to totally destroy their entire nuclear stockpile and enrichment program, and behave perfectly, this promise in writing is as good as worthless to the left, because they say they can’t be trusted. I agree.

but now, because the current preliminary suggested agreement offers, Iran, sanctions, relief, and other attractive benefits, only if Iran becomes a good actor in the region, ONLY IF THEY DO! And if they don’t, they won’t see sanctions relief or many other benefits. But now the totally biased and dishonest media like CNN take this same worthless piece of paper that they called anything the IRGC promises worthless and I agree with them on this, and they treat it like because the current promises aren’t going far enough to satisfy us all, that Trump and Vance just got fleeced?
So my question is, which is it? Do we trust and believe this written suggested agreement by Iran is now suddenly legit? And that Iran will now honor it? or, are we going with the original argument that nothing that Iran promises can be trusted? So we must trust and verify.? and since we all believe that Iran will break whatever agreement they put in writing, they won’t receive any or many of the promises we put on paper either?

Here’s the biggest things that this 60 day continued cease-fire and opening of the Strait actually accomplishes…

It gets most or all of that oil those ships carrying that oil out of and through the strait now where they are leverage Iran is using, this gives global financial relief to all of those countries who desperately need that oil to function, and lowers gas prices here at home for the summer and fall, and gets us to and through the midterm elections, because of the Dems hatred of all things Trump and desperate thirst for power and control are sadly undermining this administrations leverage to negotiate the best deal they can.

But once the midterm elections are over, if Iran, does not honor whatever agreement they ultimately sign with us and we all agree they won’t honor it, Then whats going to happen is the USA is going to go in and take over the strait, we are going to obliterate the IRGC even further, we are then going to escort those ships through the STRAIT safely, and force this regime to either comply or be replaced altogether. This is the Endgame that will inevitably happen over the next 6 to 12 months. But now because the biased media are so selfisHi, it’s a pleasure meeting you. Traitors of our country, and they so dishonest, we can’t even listen to anything they report, because it’s all nonsensical arguments designed to try to undermine our leadership and make this president look bad, and it hurts our leverage in these negotiations, it’s literally treason by some Dems and a large portion of the far left biased media. They should be ashamed.

Sadly, there are some naive Americans who actually listen to and believe the dishonest nonsense this same media pedals. It’s sad. people hate America. That’s literally what hating MAGA means. MAGA literally stands for Make America Great Again. Why? Why would this country need to be made great again? It’s because the far left lunatics and the media who are controlled by them., has spent the last 10 or 20 last years, weakening our country and trying to create forever wars in their efforts to control all of us. Let’s hope they never succeed.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

i don’t have a problem with reasonable people not seeing things the way I do. The two liberals in this thread though, are anything but reasonable.

Like a child, you twist wording, and hurl your usual liberal talking points at me. Like when I say global elites are the evil people, you make your “MAGA conspiracy” comments. But because I don’t call all billionaires evil, you come back even dumber (didn’t know that was possible) and say I’m for billionaires, or that the only people I defend are Christian white, rural men that are straight.

You need some rest Datt. Some good rest. Posting at 6:50 in the morning is a bad idea for you. The best thing for you is your head attached to a pillow, and shut down your phone.

Who's an example of anyone you fundamentally disagree with whom you consider reasonable? I'm not talking about nuanced differences in ongoing Iran war strategy or ranking your 3 favorite SCOTUS justices; I'm talking about fundamental differences. Even our President, upon meeting Mayor Mamdani, came away from it with complimentary things to say. Is there anyone with whom you disagree with more than 60%, 70% of the time, yet whom you respect as a reasonable person? I'll go first: Jordan Peterson.

I have never requested that you call all billionaires evil. You keep putting that out there as a strawman -- misrepresenting my stance so it's easier for you to attack than anything I'm actually saying.

Who is an example of anyone you have defended with any regularity who doesn't tick more than half these boxes: cishet, male, white, rural, conservative, Christian? When have you ever defended anyone significantly different from you? I would again go first, but I don't think you need an example of my defending people who aren't like me, an urban cishet Christian Leftist middle-aged white man. Perhaps an example of calling out my own side would work: @KDSTONE will recall my criticism of speakers at a march I marshaled a little over a year ago who struck me as antisemitic in their rhetoric as they criticized Israel. I've already mentioned calling out that liberal poster who used to post here for some brief time a year or two ago who wished the first alleged assassination attempt against then-candidate Trump had been successful.

Here's your chance to refute what I said, phrased as questions so you can't punk out and complain about assumptions instead.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

A while back, duck commented to Mac that he doesn’t know anything about him and never will. Wise policy, one I wish I’d followed.

I'm sorry you feel I've betrayed some trust. I take that very seriously.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

I find it interesting that Leftists are self described experts in identifying and calling out Nazi era examples of antisemitism ( Protocols type stuff, global elites, hook nosed bankers, etc. ), but are completely silent when more modern, rebranded forms of antisemitism emerge that are attached to an alleged social justice movement. Criticism of Israel is one thing. When you’ve become obsessed with a foreign country to the point you’re chanting outside of synagogues and Hillel houses, excluding Jewish students from parts of campus, then it’s become something else entirely.

I find most people across the political spectrum are better at calling things out in hindsight than they are in the moment. To the extent that the examples you cite are accurate, I condemn them. I suspect they are rare, isolated incidents fed to you through your preferred news sources that confirm your preexisting biases (we all have them).

 

[KDSTONE]

I find most people across the political spectrum are better at calling things out in hindsight than they are in the moment. To the extent that the examples you cite are accurate, I condemn them. I suspect they are rare, isolated incidents fed to you through your preferred news sources that confirm your preexisting biases (we all have them).

They’re not rare or isolated. Denying or downplaying the rise of antisemitism is gaslighting 101. Antisemitic incidents happened all over the country.

Jewish UCLA students beaten with sticks, pepper sprayed and knocked out by anti-Israel campus mob: lawsuit

The DOJ sues the University of California system, alleging UCLA failed to protect Jewish and Israeli students from antisemitic violence on campus.

www.yahoo.com

Trump administration says Harvard violated civil rights of Jewish students

In a letter to Harvard, the Trump administration threatens the university with "loss of all federal financial resources".

www.bbc.com

As you may or may not know, I have daughters who are in college.
At both places, there were Zionist free zones. Zionist is a proxy for Jews. You’re asked if you are Jewish. If you are, then you’re not allowed entry. At some places, I’ve heard that Jews are allowed in if they’re willing to denounce Israel. These “activists” like to hang out around Hillel houses shouting the usual blood libels. Why do they hang around Hillel houses? That way, they don’t have to ask if you’re Jewish or not. That can be so awkward.
One of my kids actually missed three days of classes because she was denied access to that part of campus. To suggest that this is merely a figment of my imagination, or that I’ve been influenced by my “ preferred news sources” rather than things my family has experienced directly is truly jaw dropping.

Currently part of a Title 6 lawsuit re: their two campuses. One of my daughter’s childhood friends has filed suit against Cornell for receiving a broken nose and fractured wrist after she was jumped coming out of the library.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

They’re not rare or isolated. Denying or downplaying the rise of antisemitism is gaslighting 101. Antisemitic incidents happened all over the country.

Jewish UCLA students beaten with sticks, pepper sprayed and knocked out by anti-Israel campus mob: lawsuit

The DOJ sues the University of California system, alleging UCLA failed to protect Jewish and Israeli students from antisemitic violence on campus.

www.yahoo.com

Trump administration says Harvard violated civil rights of Jewish students

In a letter to Harvard, the Trump administration threatens the university with "loss of all federal financial resources".

www.bbc.com

As you may or may not know, I have daughters who are in college.
At both places, there were Zionist free zones. Zionist is a proxy for Jews. You’re asked if you are Jewish. If you are, then you’re not allowed entry. At some places, I’ve heard that Jews are allowed in if they’re willing to denounce Israel. These “activists” like to hang out around Hillel houses shouting the usual blood libels. Why do they hang around Hillel houses? That way, they don’t have to ask if you’re Jewish or not. That can be so awkward.
One of my kids actually missed three days of classes because she was denied access to that part of campus. To suggest that this is merely a figment of my imagination, or that I’ve been influenced by my “ preferred news sources” rather than things my family has experienced directly is truly jaw dropping.

Currently part of a Title 6 lawsuit re: their two campuses. One of my daughter’s childhood friends has filed suit against Cornell for receiving a broken nose and fractured wrist after she was jumped coming out of the library.

I didn't know your kids were that old. That's cool. My middle kid is in her last semester of college.

I disagree that Zionist is a proxy for Jews. A couple of my friends are Israeli natives and very anti-Zionist. In my experience, it's a great way of making a distinction that should assuage concerns about antisemitism.

I said I suspect your news sources confirm your bias. I still do and I will add that your personal observations color your perspective applied to other things. It's not gaslighting, and it is completely unreasonable for you to clutch your pearls over my not being able to read your mind. I'm sorry that you and your family have experienced that and I denounce those incidents unequivocally. They are also anecdotal, which means they are fine for use in building a human connection, but they are not substitutes for data. In the grand scheme of things, dumb college kids being dumb does not a trend make.

And I do not trust any data the Trump administration is in charge of. The DOJ is currently pursuing nonexistent reflecting pool vandals. It's the same DOJ trying to prosecute James Comey, Leticia James, and other people our President deems his personal enemy. Our DOJ has never been more compromised, partisan, and unhinged.

 

[KDSTONE]

I didn't know your kids were that old. That's cool. My middle kid is in her last semester of college.

I disagree that Zionist is a proxy for Jews. A couple of my friends are Israeli natives and very anti-Zionist. In my experience, it's a great way of making a distinction that should assuage concerns about antisemitism.

I said I suspect your news sources confirm your bias. I still do and I will add that your personal observations color your perspective applied to other things. It's not gaslighting, and it is completely unreasonable for you to clutch your pearls over my not being able to read your mind. I'm sorry that you and your family have experienced that and I denounce those incidents unequivocally. They are also anecdotal, which means they are fine for use in building a human connection, but they are not substitutes for data. In the grand scheme of things, dumb college kids being dumb does not a trend make.

And I do not trust any data the Trump administration is in charge of. The DOJ is currently pursuing nonexistent reflecting pool vandals. It's the same DOJ trying to prosecute James Comey, Leticia James, and other people our President deems his personal enemy. Our DOJ has never been more compromised, partisan, and unhinged.

“Dumb college kids being dumb?” Wow.

 

[Mac9192]

Who's an example of anyone you fundamentally disagree with whom you consider reasonable? I'm not talking about nuanced differences in ongoing Iran war strategy or ranking your 3 favorite SCOTUS justices; I'm talking about fundamental differences. Even our President, upon meeting Mayor Mamdani, came away from it with complimentary things to say. Is there anyone with whom you disagree with more than 60%, 70% of the time, yet whom you respect as a reasonable person? I'll go first: Jordan Peterson.

I have never requested that you call all billionaires evil. You keep putting that out there as a strawman -- misrepresenting my stance so it's easier for you to attack than anything I'm actually saying.

Who is an example of anyone you have defended with any regularity who doesn't tick more than half these boxes: cishet, male, white, rural, conservative, Christian? When have you ever defended anyone significantly different from you? I would again go first, but I don't think you need an example of my defending people who aren't like me, an urban cishet Christian Leftist middle-aged white man. Perhaps an example of calling out my own side would work: @KDSTONE will recall my criticism of speakers at a march I marshaled a little over a year ago who struck me as antisemitic in their rhetoric as they criticized Israel. I've already mentioned calling out that liberal poster who used to post here for some brief time a year or two ago who wished the first alleged assassination attempt against then-candidate Trump had been successful.

Here's your chance to refute what I said, phrased as questions so you can't punk out and complain about assumptions instead.

In general, why would I defend someone I disagree with, or disagree with someone I align with? You don't think I'm reasonable anymore than I think you are. Of all people, you should know this. Plus, how many times do almost all the posters here get a tad bit off issue, and make a little jab at the person they're replying to? I also don't read you disagreeing with the other liberal posters here. You've named one instance here. One. We knew it was an unhinged poster when you stepped in.

I stand corrected, you haven't called billionaires evil. In a round about way though, you have not said anything nice at all about them. To somewhat quote you: you said the only way one becomes one is by taking, or divorce, or something like that. Or my favorite treasure of yours on billionaires? Saying pimpin ain't easy but I'm simpin for billionaires. Your words, not mine. **You said this all because my views on billionaires don't 100% line up with yours.** Read that again.

But, but, but, you don't act like the way you say I act. Either that's a classic pot meet kettle, or you're just a flat out liar. I strongly suspect the latter.

 

[KDSTONE]

I didn't know your kids were that old. That's cool. My middle kid is in her last semester of college.

I disagree that Zionist is a proxy for Jews. A couple of my friends are Israeli natives and very anti-Zionist. In my experience, it's a great way of making a distinction that should assuage concerns about antisemitism.

I said I suspect your news sources confirm your bias. I still do and I will add that your personal observations color your perspective applied to other things. It's not gaslighting, and it is completely unreasonable for you to clutch your pearls over my not being able to read your mind. I'm sorry that you and your family have experienced that and I denounce those incidents unequivocally. They are also anecdotal, which means they are fine for use in building a human connection, but they are not substitutes for data. In the grand scheme of things, dumb college kids being dumb does not a trend make.

And I do not trust any data the Trump administration is in charge of. The DOJ is currently pursuing nonexistent reflecting pool vandals. It's the same DOJ trying to prosecute James Comey, Leticia James, and other people our President deems his personal enemy. Our DOJ has never been more compromised, partisan, and unhinged.

“I disagree that Zionism is a proxy for Jews”
Not always, but often. In the example used on college encampments, they are labeled Zionist free zones. But they don’t ask Jewish students if they’re Zionist. They are asked whether or not they are Jewish. Therefore, a proxy.

 

[KDSTONE]

Audit of Antisemitic Incidents 2024

In 2024, ADL tabulated 9,354 antisemitic incidents across the United States.

www.adl.org

 

[KDSTONE]

I think it’s becoming apparent that The IRGC are unserious about peace, and we should take over the Strait asap, obliterate what’s left of the IRGC, and free the Iranian people after 47 years. Here’s the dumbest argument the left has…

so I’m the one hand, the left says no matter what the IRGC promises TO do on paper, they’ve proven they cannot be trusted, and their promise is not worth the paper that it’s written on, and I agree with this. So even if the IRGC put in writing that they were going to totally destroy their entire nuclear stockpile and enrichment program, and behave perfectly, this promise in writing is as good as worthless to the left, because they say they can’t be trusted. I agree.

but now, because the current preliminary suggested agreement offers, Iran, sanctions, relief, and other attractive benefits, only if Iran becomes a good actor in the region, ONLY IF THEY DO! And if they don’t, they won’t see sanctions relief or many other benefits. But now the totally biased and dishonest media like CNN take this same worthless piece of paper that they called anything the IRGC promises worthless and I agree with them on this, and they treat it like because the current promises aren’t going far enough to satisfy us all, that Trump and Vance just got fleeced?
So my question is, which is it? Do we trust and believe this written suggested agreement by Iran is now suddenly legit? And that Iran will now honor it? or, are we going with the original argument that nothing that Iran promises can be trusted? So we must trust and verify.? and since we all believe that Iran will break whatever agreement they put in writing, they won’t receive any or many of the promises we put on paper either?

Here’s the biggest things that this 60 day continued cease-fire and opening of the Strait actually accomplishes…

It gets most or all of that oil those ships carrying that oil out of and through the strait now where they are leverage Iran is using, this gives global financial relief to all of those countries who desperately need that oil to function, and lowers gas prices here at home for the summer and fall, and gets us to and through the midterm elections, because of the Dems hatred of all things Trump and desperate thirst for power and control are sadly undermining this administrations leverage to negotiate the best deal they can.

But once the midterm elections are over, if Iran, does not honor whatever agreement they ultimately sign with us and we all agree they won’t honor it, Then whats going to happen is the USA is going to go in and take over the strait, we are going to obliterate the IRGC even further, we are then going to escort those ships through the STRAIT safely, and force this regime to either comply or be replaced altogether. This is the Endgame that will inevitably happen over the next 6 to 12 months. But now because the biased media are so selfisHi, it’s a pleasure meeting you. Traitors of our country, and they so dishonest, we can’t even listen to anything they report, because it’s all nonsensical arguments designed to try to undermine our leadership and make this president look bad, and it hurts our leverage in these negotiations, it’s literally treason by some Dems and a large portion of the far left biased media. They should be ashamed.

Sadly, there are some naive Americans who actually listen to and believe the dishonest nonsense this same media pedals. It’s sad. people hate America. That’s literally what hating MAGA means. MAGA literally stands for Make America Great Again. Why? Why would this country need to be made great again? It’s because the far left lunatics and the media who are controlled by them., has spent the last 10 or 20 last years, weakening our country and trying to create forever wars in their efforts to control all of us. Let’s hope they never succeed.

If Iran doesn’t comply with the mou, which you present as a foregone conclusion and one in which I’m inclined to agree with, would you support American troops on the ground to effect regime change?

 

[AcnYoda]

If Iran doesn’t comply with the mou, which you present as a foregone conclusion and one in which I’m inclined to agree with, would you support American troops on the ground to effect regime change?

No, I would suggest that they have Israel put boots on the ground, they are the country that is most affected most they are in the region, and they would benefit the most by having boots on the ground. I don’t know why this wasn’t the first thing floated from the jump? So no, I don’t want American boots on the ground, not at all. But that doesn’t mean our alliance can’t have them. But Israel can put boots on the ground. If necessary.