2027 Recruiting Thread

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I'm willing to let it playout. Some are wringing their hands over this. The coaching staff has a lot of ground to make up recruiting in the east and imo that will come.

They already have the nucleus to be highly successful on the field this year especially given the way the schedule is set up.

Imo the staff will be better judged on the next class. On the current class Getting MC came very late in the process so they had little to no time to build relationships which is an extremely important piece of the recruiting puzzle.

If they can get 9-10 wins this season that will be acceptable to most people and if by chance, they make the playoffs with 10 wins that will be outstanding.

Much to look forward to this season and lots to be excited about imo.
I think the same way you do, although I am concerned the optics suggest our ability to compete from NIL standpoint is way behind the early indications of what we were told. Without full knowledge of their strategy i will trust, for now, there is a plan to maximize usage. I just feel more confident this staff knows how to coach kids up and actually coach within the game.
 

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It would be a horrible look for Campbell & PSU if Grunk outperformed Becht this year. Becht is an experienced senior who's playing with a number of kids and coaches he has experience with. My concern about taking Becht over Grunk is that we traded 3 years for 1 year.
Mine as well. I understand that Campbell would be more comfortable in a transition year with Becht, but given the player turnover I think he may have been better served with a QB who has at least 2 and if he wants 3 years of eligibility left, especially since Grunk had better ratings last year than Becht (I realize Becht was hurt; that it’s a small sample size; but Grunk played very well playing against 3 of the top 4 defenses in college football in 3 of his 6 starts). We shall see. By the way, despite my prediction, as a 65 year Penn State fan I hope Becht lights it up this year.
 

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They can't go to the NFL unless they're out of high school for 3 years. If any player leaves a year early it usually means that they performed extremely well in college. How many PSU QBs have declared for the NFL early?
Precisely. Grunk is entering his 3rd year and could conceivably declare for the draft after this year but if he did, he would have been outstanding this year. On the other hand, Becht is entering his 5th year and is out of eligibility regardless of how he plays this year.
 
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It would not be a horrible look that's just crazy. It's not like MC had any shot at retaining him. Grunk was gone the moment he heard BGJ was going.
If that’s true why did Grunk wait so long to portal to VaTech? Far more likely that Grunk decided to leave as soon as it became clear Campbell was bringing in Becht which meant he had two chances to start at Penn Dtate: fat and none irrespective of how Grunk looked in practice.
 

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I think the same way you do, although I am concerned the optics suggest our ability to compete from NIL standpoint is way behind the early indications of what we were told. Without full knowledge of their strategy i will trust, for now, there is a plan to maximize usage. I just feel more confident this staff knows how to coach kids up and actually coach within the game.
You feel this coaching staff is more equipped to coach kids up and actually coach within the game based on what? All those championships and playoff appearances Campbell had while coaching a decade at ISU? Seriously how many Iowa State games have you watched?
 

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Mine as well. I understand that Campbell would be more comfortable in a transition year with Becht, but given the player turnover I think he may have been better served with a QB who has at least 2 and if he wants 3 years of eligibility left, especially since Grunk had better ratings last year than Becht (I realize Becht was hurt; that it’s a small sample size; but Grunk played very well playing against 3 of the top 4 defenses in college football in 3 of his 6 starts). We shall see. By the way, despite my prediction, as a 65 year Penn State fan I hope Becht lights it up this year.
The only argument I can see for Becht over Grunk is if he felt he needed Becht on board in order to get other Iowa State players to follow.
 
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You feel this coaching staff is more equipped to coach kids up and actually coach within the game based on what? All those championships and playoff appearances Campbell had while coaching a decade at ISU? Seriously how many Iowa State games have you watched?
How many BGJ did you watch? The coaching in the Oregon game and the UCLA game assure my view that the 3 effing stooges would be a step up from staff last year. I was at the Oregon game... BGJ looked lost.
 
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I think the same way you do, although I am concerned the optics suggest our ability to compete from NIL standpoint is way behind the early indications of what we were told. Without full knowledge of their strategy i will trust, for now, there is a plan to maximize usage. I just feel more confident this staff knows how to coach kids up and actually coach within the game.
A good deal of our NIL has already been spent for this cycle. I believe what is being held back will be spent on the transfer portal to fill important holes. It seems they have a ceiling on what they will spend on HS kids for now that may or not pan out. My optics are that seems to be a strategy for this staff including the AD at this time, as I said for now. The other thing is tons of doner money is being spent on the stadium renovations. When MC came here quite late because of the way things played out there were many issues facing him and the AD which I believe are getting adequately dealt with.

Coaching players up getting them into the right places seems to be what MC does best. I love his priorities and the process. I think we have to be careful about expecting or wanting too much too soon in this cycle. They decided to do a rebuild from the ground up. The philosophy has completely changed in many ways I like it but it will have to be a process.

I used to tell the people who worked for my if you have a problem turn it into a process and it won't be a problem anymore. Processes on the level of what we're watching will take some time. My opinion is year 2 will look a lot better and the 3rd year even better. Joe took over a well-established and proven program he came from within a smooth transition should have taken place, but it took a couple years to right the ship. The job MC has facing him is a steep uphill climb, but I expect 3 years from now our concerns will be a distant memory.

The things we read on this board are not representative of the general fan base not even close. While some of the people I talk to have similar concerns, they seem to be quite positive the future will be bright. However, if not this board will implode with the usual negative nanny's setting everything on fire. :)
 

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I disagree. Emedobi is too undersized for the type of DE Penn State is recruiting for Lynn’s system. I think Penn State backed off a bit in his recruitment.
I’m not sure that we backed off, but we’re also not making a competitive offer if he’s not a good fit. According to that Nittany Central article that someone posted a couple days ago, I think they had him at 25% confidence to PSU with Michigan being the likely landing spot. Would have been great to get him but it doesn’t sound like it was a surprise.
 

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I think the same way you do, although I am concerned the optics suggest our ability to compete from NIL standpoint is way behind the early indications of what we were told. Without full knowledge of their strategy i will trust, for now, there is a plan to maximize usage. I just feel more confident this staff knows how to coach kids up and actually coach within the game.
That’s fair. Although, knowing how to coach up kids and coach within a game is different than having the talent to beat the teams we have been longing to beat. As I said before, I think PSU took a big step forward in coaching and a step back in talent acquisition. So far, I haven’t seen anything to change my mind.
 
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Kraft first. Get an AD that can fundraise better.
That’s fair. Although, knowing how to coach up kids and coach within a game is different than having the talent to beat the teams we have been longing to beat. As I said before, I think PSU took a big step forward in coaching and a step back in talent acquisition. So far, I haven’t seen anything to change my mind.
There is not enough of a sample size on talent acquisition plus Campbell got a late start to the '27 class. On the coaching, same thing, Campbell needs to prove it on the field before we declare him the better coach. Although, God help us if 3 years we are saying BGJ was the better game coach and developer of talent.
 

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A good deal of our NIL has already been spent for this cycle. I believe what is being held back will be spent on the transfer portal to fill important holes. It seems they have a ceiling on what they will spend on HS kids for now that may or not pan out. My optics are that seems to be a strategy for this staff including the AD at this time, as I said for now. The other thing is tons of doner money is being spent on the stadium renovations. When MC came here quite late because of the way things played out there were many issues facing him and the AD which I believe are getting adequately dealt with.

Coaching players up getting them into the right places seems to be what MC does best. I love his priorities and the process. I think we have to be careful about expecting or wanting too much too soon in this cycle. They decided to do a rebuild from the ground up. The philosophy has completely changed in many ways I like it but it will have to be a process.

I used to tell the people who worked for my if you have a problem turn it into a process and it won't be a problem anymore. Processes on the level of what we're watching will take some time. My opinion is year 2 will look a lot better and the 3rd year even better. Joe took over a well-established and proven program he came from within a smooth transition should have taken place, but it took a couple years to right the ship. The job MC has facing him is a steep uphill climb, but I expect 3 years from now our concerns will be a distant memory.

The things we read on this board are not representative of the general fan base not even close. While some of the people I talk to have similar concerns, they seem to be quite positive the future will be bright. However, if not this board will implode with the usual negative nanny's setting everything on fire. :)

Matt Campbell was hired at PSU on 12/5/25
Jon Sumrall was hired at Florida on 11/30/25
Bob Chesney was hired at UCLA on 12/6/25

While the coaching search was a clusterfu*ck by Kraft , and it drove us nuts that we were without a coach for an extended period of time due to the early firing of Franklin, Campbell wasn’t hired much later than several other new coaches in new places. Both Sumrall and Chesney seem to have figured out how to build relationships with recruits in the 2027 class. I don’t really buy the “Campbell got here late and didn’t have time to build relationships” mantra in regard to the 2027 class. The 2026 class, yes. 2027, not so much.
 

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There is not enough of a sample size on talent acquisition plus Campbell got a late start to the '27 class. On the coaching, same thing, Campbell needs to prove it on the field before we declare him the better coach. Although, God help us if 3 years we are saying BGJ was the better game coach and developer of talent.
2028 class will be a better test on talent acquisition and thankfully PA is again unusually loaded. I do believe 2026 season is fair to immediately judge Campbell’s coaching abilities .
 
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There is not enough of a sample size on talent acquisition plus Campbell got a late start to the '27 class. On the coaching, same thing, Campbell needs to prove it on the field before we declare him the better coach. Although, God help us if 3 years we are saying BGJ was the better game coach and developer of talent.
Stop with the excuse that he got here late for the 2027 class. Sumrall and Chesney were hired around the same time. They seem to be doing fine.
 

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I'm willing to let it playout. Some are wringing their hands over this. The coaching staff has a lot of ground to make up recruiting in the east and imo that will come.

They already have the nucleus to be highly successful on the field this year especially given the way the schedule is set up.

Imo the staff will be better judged on the next class. On the current class Getting MC came very late in the process so they had little to no time to build relationships which is an extremely important piece of the recruiting puzzle.

If they can get 9-10 wins this season that will be acceptable to most people and if by chance, they make the playoffs with 10 wins that will be outstanding.

Much to look forward to this season and lots to be excited about imo.
So hypothetically if we sucked up an **asterisk season last year (we were a theoretical top ten team that was snake bit) that was a huge fluke and gave Franklin room to keep the recruiting class (and Grunk)and allow him audible to the new NIL expectations which I have a feeling he of all people would. Honestly. I’m asking you as a grown man who adores Penn State and Penn State Football. This very moment would you be feeling more or less confident going into this season? All of the people on the board keep current guarantees of 10 win seasons. Holy **** that’s a lot of pressure all of a sudden. Not much room for error when 10 wins this season seems to be the assumed outcome. Ugh. If last year went that far belly up…imagine what could happen this year. Who’s the back up QB again? Oh it doesn’t matter, Becht’s 100% now.
 
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2028 class will be a better test on talent acquisition and thankfully PA is again unusually loaded. I do believe 2026 season is fair to immediately judge Campbell’s coaching abilities .
Are we playing moneyball with the 2028 class also? Or are they using the “elite financial resources” that Kraft proclaimed?
 

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Did he have a shiitt ton of top 15 class talent? It's clear you have a man crush on BGJ. Admitting is the first step to recovery
I thought CMC didn't need top talent. He coaches em up. Polishes mud. Makes chicken salad with chicken excrement. It got him to 50-40 in the prestigious Big Twelve.
Perhaps recovery might be in order for those who refuse to acknowledge that talent is the key ingredient to victory over the likes of Oregon and Ohio State. To date, PSU is not attracting the game changing players needed for them to attain "excellence at the highest level."
This thread if rife with excuses and rationalizations about recruiting failures. Choose your excuse....too expensive, not a good fit .....or the all time winner "I want players who want to be here."
 

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Mine as well. I understand that Campbell would be more comfortable in a transition year with Becht, but given the player turnover I think he may have been better served with a QB who has at least 2 and if he wants 3 years of eligibility left, especially since Grunk had better ratings last year than Becht (I realize Becht was hurt; that it’s a small sample size; but Grunk played very well playing against 3 of the top 4 defenses in college football in 3 of his 6 starts). We shall see. By the way, despite my prediction, as a 65 year Penn State fan I hope Becht lights it up this year.
Campbell made a difficult call. Coaches have to make them in the moment. We will get to see how things play out and choose the right path. LOL. I think he considered many things and perhaps the schedule. His two dozen imports from ISU and Becht make it one less hurdle and a path to 10 or more wins.
The challenge comes after this season when schedules get back to normal and PSU will need a healthy QB.
After this season, 10 or 11 wins could be a pipe dream.
 

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I’m not sure that we backed off, but we’re also not making a competitive offer if he’s not a good fit. According to that Nittany Central article that someone posted a couple days ago, I think they had him at 25% confidence to PSU with Michigan being the likely landing spot. Would have been great to get him but it doesn’t sound like it was a surprise.

I’m not sure that we backed off, but we’re also not making a competitive offer if he’s not a good fit. According to that Nittany Central article that someone posted a couple days ago, I think they had him at 25% confidence to PSU with Michigan being the likely landing spot. Would have been great to get him but it doesn’t sound like it was a surprise.
It could be said that Michigan, Georgia and Notre Dame have been taking our lunch money. But according to the loyal fans here, we weren't hungry anyway.;)
 

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That’s fair. Although, knowing how to coach up kids and coach within a game is different than having the talent to beat the teams we have been longing to beat. As I said before, I think PSU took a big step forward in coaching and a step back in talent acquisition. So far, I haven’t seen anything to change my mind.
What if the big step forward in coaching is only an illusion created by the fact that CMC hasn't coached here yet? Then the net change is a step back in talent acquisition. The only place touting Campbell as a significantly better coach than Franklin is here.
If you followed the national publications that rated this off season hires....Franklin and Campbell are held in similar esteem.
 

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So hypothetically if we sucked up an **asterisk season last year (we were a theoretical top ten team that was snake bit) that was a huge fluke and gave Franklin room to keep the recruiting class (and Grunk)and allow him audible to the new NIL expectations which I have a feeling he of all people would. Honestly. I’m asking you as a grown man who adores Penn State and Penn State Football. This very moment would you be feeling more or less confident going into this season? All of the people on the board keep current guarantees of 10 win seasons. Holy **** that’s a lot of pressure all of a sudden. Not much room for error when 10 wins this season seems to be the assumed outcome. Ugh. If last year went that far belly up…imagine what could happen this year. Who’s the back up QB again? Oh it doesn’t matter, Becht’s 100% now.
There will be a great deal of crow to eat if PSU doesn't win 10 with this schedule. Also, if the massive resources of PSU are not evident in the portal this off season. Because if not, 2027 and 2028 won't be a walk in the park. Or a great time to spend on a luxury box.
 

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They always seem to when players go elsewhere.

Not true in this case. T. Frank Carr mentioned Penn State backing off weeks ago. On June 16th T. Frank published an article on the recruiting grades given for each defensive position. He gave Penn State DE recruiting an A- and mentioned multiple times Penn State‘s emphasis on recruiting big DEs for the Lynn system. The article is posted in the Lions Den.
 
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2028 class will be a better test on talent acquisition and thankfully PA is again unusually loaded. I do believe 2026 season is fair to immediately judge Campbell’s coaching abilities .
Thing is, it’s clear that this staff isn’t going to overpay, so unless any of those guys are major PSU fans and are okay with fair value, it will probably look the same as this year. Highly rated recruits want far more than they’re worth (the stars get to their head) and someone out there will probably pay up, even if it’s to their detriment (losing out on depth at several other positions).

I personally have no problem with how Campbell is recruiting and honestly, in this new age, it appears like the right way to do it—don’t overpay, trust your evaluations, and fill out your whole team (don’t leave positions empty like Franklin did with linebacker, defensive tackle, and wide receiver).

You can see it in action. Cignetti did it this way and got results. Bob Chesney is now doing it. All while former super powers Alabama and Ohio State are starting to trail off even though they’re buying the 5-star players. And Texas Tech and Texas A&M are examples that simply trying to buy who the recruiting agencies labeled 5-star players is not the way to navigate the NIL era.
 
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another miss


“Campbell didn’t have enough time to build a relationship with him because he was hired late” (Whittingham was hired by Michigan on 12/26/25)

“He is too skinny”
“He isn’t tall enough”
“He doesn’t have a college ready body”
“He doesn’t fit our culture”
“We didn’t have enough NIL”
“He only wanted a bag so Campbell told him to take a hike”
“PSU backed off when they heard he was asking other teams for more money”
“We are taking our time and building a culture”

Did I miss any?
 

LB99

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Thing is, it’s clear that this staff isn’t going to overpay, so unless any of those guys are major PSU fans and are okay with fair value, it will probably look the same as this year. Highly rated recruits want far more than they’re worth (the stars get to their head) and someone out there will probably pay up, even if it’s to their detriment (losing out on depth at several other positions).

I personally have no problem with how Campbell is recruiting and honestly, in this new age, it appears like the right way to do it—don’t overpay, trust your evaluations, and fill out your whole team (don’t leave positions empty like Franklin did with linebacker, defensive tackle, and wide receiver).

You can see it in action. Cignetti did it this way and got results. Bob Chesney is now doing it. All while former super powers Alabama and Ohio State are starting to trail off even though they’re buying the 5-star players. And Texas Tech and Texas A&M are examples that simply trying to buy who the recruiting agencies labeled 5-star players is not the way to navigate the NIL era.
Ohio State was 12-2 last year and Alabama was 11-4. Texas A&M was 11-2. Texas Tech was 12-2. All finished in the top 10 in the country. That doesn’t look like trailing off to me. If PSU finishes anywhere close to that this year, we would all be pretty happy, right?