Greg has one of the lowest win percentages of any active coach
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it's lazy analysis on their part
I have said this before and I'll say it again. This board is full of low level managers, teachers or people that haven't had any real responsibility professionally because some of twisting of basic accountability concerns is astounding.
I want to work for people on this board because many here are seemingly devoid of any cognition on how the world operates
I'm having serious reservations about Keli. I know people surmise she is giving Greg rope to hang himself but not seeing it. Greg runs the show, that to me is evident. His staff budget is atrocious for the results and that is an easy fix or at least something to start pulling back on. Not havin a spring game is beyond dumb when the school is bleeding fans. Agreeing to the PE deal was monumentally stupid. There are others
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Yes - if the offense has a comparable year to last season, I’d say it’d be unfair to conclude anything other than that the problems on offense have been “addressed” under his watch. The offense was a disaster and he fired the coordinator mid season. Kirk brought in. Greg had his reasons for rolling with a QB who couldn’t throw for an entire season - I don’t agree with them, but that’s in the past and again, was addressed. Athan was brought in and turned out good enough to get drafted. We have future playmaking draftees in the pipeline.
Early on 2.0 - Greg was not happy with the D and brought in Joe who did a good job with it. I blame a disasterous year of strength and conditioning (also since replaced) for Joe’s final bad year more than his D. It wasn’t just Mo going down. We lost more than half of our starters to injuries. I don’t think anyone predicted us to be as bad as we were last year. Smith was a complete disaster. So now this year we’ll see if Greg fixes it or not.
Many folks are tired of Greg - but it still remains inaccurate to say that when things have gone wrong in 2.0, he has failed to address them (in contrast, to say, Pike who has been extremely resistant to changes on his staff or philosophy). No matter how badly some want that to be the case with Greg his actions to date in 2.0 do not support this.
I don’t understand. You disagree that the offense has made significant progress?
Or you disagree that it’s more statistically likely that our next coach will turn out like Frost / Rhule than Bielema? More coaching tenures fail than succeed. Zinn doesn’t have a magic bullet to change this. In fact, she has zero experience yet in selecting a successful head coach.
I just can’t understand why everyone is so intent on seeking immediate wholesale changes even if the program is trending upwards after next season. And no, trending upwards isn’t a 9 or 10 win season. We don’t have the horses on defense for that to be realistically in the cards. But it could be possible next year depending on how this year goes.
Not so fast … he’s still surfing the PR wave from miracle Purdue win tsunami of tears. That alone is job security until 2035. Then you have to factor in Kaliakmanis being drafted, birthright citizenship and the The New Deal setting the program back 100 years. Conclusion: very few of us will live to see a new coach or a .500 conference record.
Not happening. There wasn’t enough NIL to recruit an 8 win transfer class. Maybe next year.
and those teams have invested a hell of a lot more money in their football programs than Rutgers has.
better coaches aren’t coming to this place without significant investments.
He’s here to slag Schiano, not argue in good faith. They are seeking wholesale changes because they think someone else can come in and do Better.
notice how they discount the significant financial gap. Recruits have choices, and they are going to usually choose Their best offer. That’s not going to be Rutgers in most cases.
Al is correct that money now drives recruiting in most instances. Many of the powerhouse schools have 80 to 100 years of big time football behind them. Some schools also do not have to compete with pro-football teams for fan loyalty. The end result is that these schools have thousands of whales who can afford to give their football teams millions of dollars in NIL and play-for-pay money. I disagree with Al in the sense that you cannot depend mostly on middle to upper middle class fans to compete against the likes of Penn State, Ohio States, Michigan, etc, to fund Team payrolls. You need a good number of big time donors for that.
You should not be talking. Even you ate crow when you were willing to bet your mortgage and beyond he would stick with GW and not bring in a real competitor.
It simply is not the truth that Greg Schiano has acted stubbornly during the 2.0 era when it comes to correcting things that went wrong. He’s made changes to directly address major issues that came up during this tenure. And he’s done so consistently. Yes - he’s also made a ton of mistakes but it’s really annoying when some of you are simply not objective at all.
Objective LOL. Enlighten Shelby. Point out another coach in the current job as long as he has been with the results he’s achieved. Your memory is good re: GW. So you may also recall that Shelby asked this question before and this collective body of fans with Schianopox couldn’t name a single one. Losing coaches get fired everywhere else, and sooner. Wins against Wagner (2) and a Purdue team that hadn’t won a conference game in years shouldn’t matter to job security but wins like that are Schiano’s life raft.
The OP stated a FACT; it has ZERO to do with opinion. Just like the FACT he IS NOT the “winningest” coach in RU football history.
No one uses your definition. The winningest coach is the one with the most wins. This is most common.
Lots sd
yes, totally, R
yes, RU was bottom fishing when GS was fired. An asolute dumpster fire.
Locksleys contract ends after the 2027 season. His current buyout is $13.4M. He either gets fired this year or his contract runs out after next season. Either way, Maryland will have a new coach for 2028.
Schiano’s contract ends after the 2030 season. Current Buyout around $23M.
I would assume Maryland will have a new coach before Rutgers.
that Purdue game was on yesterday and I watched it the background during work. Purdue was better but Raymond is a BEAST
they should both be gone after the upcoming season but you may be right. I believe that if Greg is here past next year, we'll see Shea like apathy
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You couldn't be more wrong. He has a .478 win % that DOES NOT make him the "winningest" coach in Rutgers history. Plain and simple. You're insulting and disrespecting the following former HC's by saying as much:
Frank Burns .643
George Sanford .629
Harvey Harmon .625
...and a SLEW OF HC'S OVER .500. Guess who isn't over .500% lifetime? GREG SCHIANO. Again: .478%.
All you have to do - ALL YOU HAVE TO DO - is say "nobody has every WON MORE games - or LOST MORE GAMES - than Greg Schiano!
(relax guy, just providing facts...regardless of WHAT/WHY/HOW Greg or any other coach got there....thanks)
You couldn't be more wrong. He has a .478 win % that DOES NOT make him the "winningest" coach in Rutgers history. Plain and simple. You're insulting and disrespecting the following former HC's by saying as much:
Frank Burns .643
George Sanford .629
Harvey Harmon .625
...and a SLEW OF HC'S OVER .500. Guess who isn't over .500% lifetime? GREG SCHIANO. Again: .478%.
All you have to do - ALL YOU HAVE TO DO - is say "nobody has every WON MORE games - or LOST MORE GAMES - than Greg Schiano!
(relax guy, just providing facts...regardless of WHAT/WHY/HOW Greg or any other coach got there....thanks)
It’s not even just about money. More coaching tenures do not work out well than turn out to be home run upgrades relative to a mediocre incumbent. If anyone wants to take the time to challenge my math on this go ahead. I’m not always right, but on this I won’t be wrong.
So the probability of Greg Schiano’s 2027 replacement coming in and drastically improving our program within 3 years time is very low. Odds are probably 90% or better that such replacement is not coming in and elevating the program to a substantially higher level before Greg’s current contract ends. It’s not just his buy out, it’s the buy outs of all the other staff you need to move on from to allow the new guy to come in and build his staff. This is an expensive move - so when you do it - you have to be at least confident things are likely to improve quickly. When your program tanks to Ash levels then yes, you know this. We’re not close to being in this place right now.
You can point to historical records all you want. It’s meaningless. Greg twice inherited a program that wasn’t just bad - was “can we please just “stink normal” bad. Remember that? I’m not saying he deserves alcolades for improving from that (most would) but pretty much anyone inheriting what he did would have a lot of losses piled up in the early years of both tenures.
You know who sucked like Ash as a college coach? Hafley. He took a mediocre team and made them awful. And now he’s doing just fine for himself which goes to show that some guys do better in one setting than another. Installing a new coach is a crap shoot so we may as well do it when it doesn’t cost a fortune or when things could get no worse.
I don't think it's fair to give up on Schiano until we equip him with a new field house. We didn't see Indiana make strides until they got their house. @rutgersal_rivals139582 has made some really great points about this - can you elaborate for the others?
You mean the money that Indiana invested 6 years prior to the present coach or 16 years? Indiana invested $86M in 2 separate buildouts one in 2008 and the other in 2018. That $86 M was spent on stadium renovations for fan enjoyment and for use by all student athletes. Guess how much RU spent on similar projects in that same time frame? 5x what Indiana spent.
I think Flood gets a raw deal from fans.
That said - it’s apples and oranges. Flood inherited a program coming off a 9-4 season including a convincing bowl win over Iowa State. Not to mention a best ever incoming recruiting class on the way.
He was only head coach 4 years and went 4-8 in his final year. His first year was the only season he matched the 9 wins of his predecessor and WVU was removed from the schedule. The following year he won only 6 games with a MUCH easier schedule AAC schedule than Greg ever had. His best result by far was the first year in the BIG and he deserves more credit for that than he gets from most but he still only won 8 games (including the bowl win and we also played one less conference game then).
In the backdrop of all that, you have to realize:
1. He had an incompetent AD (putting it kindly) hired in an ill-conceived process.
2. The incompetent AD was working against him and out to fire him
3. He was being paid peanuts
4. He had zero support budget, except when they paid for Ralph Friedgen to be the OC- and look what happened-8-5 in the B1G
5. He had zero facilities. Remember the part when Ash was hired and the outdoor practice field was in shambles? To his credit and to the Towers, that got rectified right away. The Hale Center was revamped/rebuilt after Flood left and Ash was hired. And it was revamped again when Greg was hired. None of that happened under Flood. The football program was operating under an AAC/Old Big East budget in the Big Ten. Not a recipe for success.
Yes, he was very lax, an incompetent, or willfully blind disciplinarian, letting a lot of stuff slide. Maybe he just said F___ it, I'll mail it in and make the best of the situation I can with what I am given and swimming against the tide of his idiot boss.
Gee, I'm making more excuses that some of y'all continue to make for St. Greg. See how this works?
Also remember Schiano took almost the entire coaching staff with him, so Flood had to rebuild the staff.
Get so sick of the narrative that "they were Greg's players". That's BS. Sure, Greg recruited the players. But someone had to develop them, coach them in the games, and "supervise" (ahem) them. Flood did OK on the first two, but terribly on the last one. I wonder what might have been if he had a competent and cooperative AD and more support for facilities, etc.
I have no problem with Flood. None. I think he gets a raw deal from many fans. Grouping him, which many do, with Ash, is a complete joke.
The only point I’m making is there is no world where it is reasonable to compare his 9-4 record in 2012 (after taking over a team that had just won 9 games the season before, lost hardly anyone, and brought in a top 25 recruiting class) to Greg’s record in his first season of 1.0 or 2.0. But that’s exactly what your doing when you look at overall record of a coach who was only there 4 years total.
Also, 6-7 was actually a pretty bad drop in 2013 considering where the team had been and how bad that conference was. If that team had to play WVU, Pitt etc. instead of Temple and company it would’ve won less games for sure. Remember - Greg 2.0 still hasn’t lost to any of the Temple types. He’s perfect in non-conference which again is why you can’t just look at records without context.
we don't need to wonder, he's been pretty successful since.
He was set up to fail and that's hard to debate.
not accurate
he lost 7 starting seniors, most of both lines and San San Te. big losses not to mention, doesn't matter the class coming in, no one contributed and needed to be developed.
Flood did great on gameday
You say the same crap over and over again and it's all bullcrap. You are such a sick azz hat about Schiano its not even useless banter. The board is full of " low level managers"-- what makes you so special ?? By the way some of us were senior partners in very large,successful firms and knowing how you think I'd get rid of you.You have exposed yourself as a real jerk off.
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You sound like a real pleasant person to be around. Probably a lot of people disliked you and left your place of employment because of people like you. Never willing to consider or discuss an opposing viewpoint.
IDK. The Peter principle may apply to Flood. He may be a great "coach," but not the most senior executive in the coaching tree. He also seemed to not want to hold his players accountable in a way that Greg is excellent at this. Greg rarely, if ever, has disciplinary issues with players. With Flood, there were many, and some very serious. His discipline of players was way too loose, and that led to his getting fired.
He was good on gameday. At the time, people were saying the players were less afraid of making mistakes, and they were playing more "loose." However, things got way too loose off the field, as discussed above.
agree on 1st point, zero question. He was lax and that is putting it mildly. we are in agreement
agree on 2nd point as well
I think, he tried to be a friend instead of a coach. He was a very nice guy, easy to talk to, engaging, had dinner and was with him on a few occasions. I liked him, definitely not an iron fist or as directional as Greg. Remember, it was his first stint and it happened suddenly so willing to give benefit of the doubt as to how he approached it. I also think some people are great at #2 and struggle at #1. It's like a 2 hitter. few 2 hitters are actually good 1 hitters.
I have to wonder, what would Graber have accomplished in Greg's place.
Percentage wise Schiano has a lot of ground to make up if he wants to be considered the " winningest" Rutgers football coach instead of Burns (.643 winning.percentage)
But he does have the most wins,along with the most losses
Greg Schiano>99-108 02
Frank Burns>78-43-1
Harvey Harman>74-44-2
John Bateman>73-51-0
George Foster Sanford 56-32-5
Terry Shea (1996–2000)
- Record: 11-44-0
- Winning Percentage: .200
- Record: 8-32-0
- Winning Percentage: .200
- Record: 27-34-4
- Winning Percentage: .446
- Record: 29-36-1
- Winning Percentage: .447 [1]
Come on- please stop. He inherited a program in a very good place. He did not inherit anything remotely comparable to the laughing stock program Ash left behind.
You guys are calling for 8 wins minimum from the upcoming RU schedule CBS just referred to as a gauntlet. KS referred to it as a soft schedule. It’s fine to want to move on, but it’s ridiculous, at the same time, to compare Flood’s win / loss record straight up to any other coach in RU recent history because he’s the only coach who:
1) walked into a good situation (everyone else walked into a train wreck)
2) played a notably softer schedule than any other coach for the first half of his tenure (also one less BIG game per year compared to Greg the other half).
The year he got those 9 wins - WVU was replaced by Temple on an already watered down BE schedule that included 7 wins over teams were on par with the level of Greg’s OOC cupcakes where he’s maintained a perfect record. Temple, Howard, Tulane, Army, a horrible 4 win UConn team that lost to Western Michigan, an even worse 2 win USF team that won only one BE game (UConn), an awful Arkansas team that had just lost to LM. And he lost at home to Kent State. You can’t prop this as some kind of great relative accomplishment - I’m sorry. And 2013 was a disaster (look at who we played). You guys are saying 6 wins this year would not be ok, but your going to comparatively defend that because of the AD?
2014 a different story. He deserves a lot more credit than he gets for that but then the season after kind of undoes that.
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