The sample size difference between Greg and the other three speaks volumes, damn Hobbs.
Greg has one of the lowest win percentages of any active coach
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The sample size difference between Greg and the other three speaks volumes, damn Hobbs.
After this amount of time there are no more “yeah, but…”
The ending was a huge mistake by staff and players alike.
If everyone and I mean EVERYONE did their job at the end of that particular game…it’s a little bit of a different story/thread or whatever.
Game 11 of the season with a man at the helm as a HC long enough to do a little better.
@LotusAggressor_rivals is correct.
The ending was a huge mistake by staff and players alike.
If everyone and I mean EVERYONE did their job at the end of that particular game…it’s a little bit of a different story/thread or whatever.
Game 11 of the season with a man at the helm as a HC long enough to do a little better.
all contracts should have look-back provisions for repatriation of funds!
don't forget, Greg got caught on the sub rules.
but that is the fallacy in the narrative created by Rutgers fans. I fully appreciate the view but IU, NW, Purdue all had coaches take programs in the same boat to respectability and more.
I will give 1.0 but not 2.0 as that the data doesn't support that view.
bear in mind, the school and athletic dept was focused on raising football during 1.0. Bob was a Godsend who got the administration and state to support the school's athletics. We need similar and we need it now
I knew someone with a lot of time on their hands would figure that out, just didn't expect it to happen so quickly.in 1.0 it was .573 and 2.0 it's .449 (in 1.0 during this time, he had 11 players drafters...ouch)
this puts him in #8 worst and #3 worst respectively
He is an absolutely horrid coach inside the stadium.
it's ok to feel below
That's probably about right. He'll be given more time with a larger NIL budget, but don't think he'll ever get fired, unless he loses support from all the "big money." He could, however, be nudged out, into retirement.
He went to BCU and now works two jobs…Home Depot and Subway.
You're not factoring lost financial support from the bigger donors. My understanding is they still stand behind the guy. Now if I'm wrong in that assessment, then yeah, the ice just got that much thinner under his feet.
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You’re saying Greg will be granted the entire length of his contract? Current contract runs until 2031? If Keli will not be waiting 5-6 years to make her first football hire.
Fitzgerald higher, Fleck lower. Honestly, Cristobal isn't a much better coach than Fleck or Schiano, but look what he can do with top NIL. Not excusing RU's current coach, because he screwed the goose last year with his defensive staff, and that's squarely on him. Last year a real missed opportunity.
No, 2-3 years, depending on the character of losses and wins and support of the "big money," what little of that we have. Think he could actually slot into that 6-7 wins a season, which is a real murky area, because not good enough to be excited about or grow the brand, but not bad enough necessarily to get fired at Rutgers.
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Fair- but Fleck below whom? Not Fickell, Odom, Schiano or Locksley. Maybe Braun higher? Fitz above Rhule?
No. If he had a grand Fieldhouse, a golden statue like the world has never seen and a sparkling reflecting pool longer than the ESB is tall he’d not be distracted by those needs 24/7 and would make better football decisions. Keep Choppin Greg. Shelby knows Rutgers U would be nothing without you.
Yes I am.
Below is donation info going back to the 2013 season. These is what is available through rutgers.edu.
Schiano brings in more donations than Ash, but less than Flood. Another objective measure of fan support is ticket sales revenue. Likewise, Schiano is better than Ash but worse than Flood. Greg isn't the windfall some imagine him to be.
Keli stated on a TKR pod that "competitive success" is what she prioritizes, with Keli adding she looks at "the past five years of our programs."
Donations make up a tiny part of the Rutgers football program's budget. I'm sure big Rutgers football donors seek to influence head coach decisions. Their generosity earns them some access. Ultimately, the decision to keep or replace Greg should be made by Keli, Tate, and the Board of Governors.
If Greg is replaced and it makes a donor so upset the donor pulls support, so be it. The Rutgers football program and athletics department will survive - and maybe thrive for a change. Whatever Rutgers football loses in donations can be more than made up simply by installing a new coach with a Big Ten average support staff. In addition, the fanbase has soured on Greg. Bringing in a new coach with a fresh approach should fire up the fans. Getting donations and ticket sales revenue back to the Flood level would bring in millions more per year.
Reading that- kudos for doubling "donations" from 2021-22 to 2023-24.
However, bad for declining ticket sales from 2022 to 2024 by $1M, and flat since 2021. Basically, revenue is flat to slightly declining for last 3 years with expenses for support staff rising exponentially.
GS gifted Flood a golden ticket and he really screwed it up. I don’t blame Ash. I blame who hired him. He was hired because he was cheap.
Come on now, Purdue was in the west division. Care to estimate RU's record on that side of the bracket? Make a better argument. That one is extremely weak.
That combination of ticket sales and donations is pretty bad. I remember seeing this data from SEC schools and when you sum the amounts of donations + ticket sales + media deal > Big Ten except for places like Ohio St, Michigan ect.
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They played 3 or 4 eastern teams every year.
And beat quite a few ranked B1G teams including #2 tOSU, #3 Michigan State and #3 Iowa.
So far in 2.0 there are no ranked wins against anybody. East or West.
Of course they did. But the point being they had a much easier schedule during that time period. Surely you understand it is not a 1:1 comparison with RU's gauntlet schedule.
A lot of times Iowa, Wisky and whatever teams from the East they were playing those years were ranked.
Their OOC was a little more interesting too.
The point is PurDON’T did and Rutgers has not.
I like data, not hand-waving:
Purdue 2017 (7-6/4-5) : beat a 7-6/4-4 Missouri SEC team (when did Greg last schedule an SEC opponent?); lost 28-10 to an 8-5/4-4 Michigan; beat Minnesota (5-7/2-7); Lost 19-7 to a final ranked #7 Wisconsin; Lost to 3-6 Rutgers coached by the formidable Chris Ash; lost by 1 point to Nebraska; Beat a Putrid 0-9 Illinois; Beat a 4-5 Iowa; Beat a 2-7 Indiana; and a 5-4 PAC 12 Arizona.
Purdue 2021(9-4/6-3) : Beat a 7-6/5-4 Oregon State; Lost to #8 11-2 Notre Dame; beat a 5-7/4-5 Illinois; lost to a 9-4/6-3 Minnesota; beat a final #23 ranked Iowa; Lost to a 9-4/6-3 Wisconsin; beat a 1-8 Nebraska; beat a final #9 ranked Michigan State; Lost to final ranked #6 Ohio State; Beat 1-8 Northwestern; beat 0-9 Indiana; beat a 7-6/4-4 Tennessee
Purdue 2022 (8-5/6-3): Lost by 4 points to a final ranked #7 Penn State; Lost to a 7-6/4-4 Syracuse; beat a 9-4/5-4 Minnesota; Beat 8-5/4-5 Maryland; beat 4-8/3-6 Nebraska; lost to 7-6/4-5 Wisconsin; Lost to 8-5/4-5 Iowa; beat 8-5/5-4 Illinois; Beat a 1-8 Northwestern; beat a 2-7 Indiana; Lost to final #3 ranked Michigan; Lost to final #2 Ranked LSU in bowl game.
Let's take Greg's last 3 seasons:
2023: 7-6/3-6 Lost to 4 end of season ranked teams; Out of conference schedule was weak; beat a 7-6/3-5 Miami in a bowl (someone crowed about him beating Miami--this team was depleted and nowhere close to the Miami of old).
2024 (7-6/4-5): Played one team that was ranked at end of season;
2025 (5-7/2-7): Played 3 ranked teams and lost to all three
Summary: Brohm beat 2 ranked teams and played 7 teams that were ranked at end of season; out of conference schedule was tougher in comparison to Rutgers. Rutgers 8 teams that were ranked at end of season. Rutgers schedule was no "Gauntlet" in comparison to Brohm's winning years at Purdue
Flood had his issues but he was set up to fail with administration and AD that were looking to move on from day
We got Flood because Timmy boy didn't do his job and Greg lied about his intentions just one day before bolting.
gauntlet is funny
another dumb narrative by RU fans
People need to stop making excuses and accept that Greg just isn't the answer. Everyone, even the diehards knew this when he was hired. He was hired to right the ship and pass it off to someone better, not grift for this long use the budget like a works program
2.0 Overall Record is 31-41 or 43%. Even with Locksley. Who will be gone first ? Money is on Locksley gone after this season…..perhaps Greg joins him. It would be hilarious if Locksley has a better record than Greg but only he is fired.in 1.0 it was .573 and 2.0 it's .449 (in 1.0 during this time, he had 11 players drafters...ouch)
this puts him in #8 worst and #3 worst respectively
He is an absolutely horrid coach inside the stadium.
it's ok to feel below
Locksley almost got fired this year. His seat is so hot that he can't sit and instead stands. He's gone after this year in all likelihood.
He will probably have a better record and get canned before Greg. No school in the p4 would have a coach with Greg's record but Rutgers being Rutgers, you just have to shake your head
A lot of comparative numbers being thrown around as if hiring a new coach means we’re highly likely to land someone who will get Bielema’s progress results (or whoever you want to point to). Could we end up with a great hire if we strip the slate clean? Sure - anything’s possible. Is it realistic to assume that would happen as the default expectation? No way. Far more coaches step into a job and fail or do not improve the situation than end up making it better. The odds are far more stacked against than leaning in favor - and again - it ain’t cheap. Rhule was a top dollar, prize coaching pick up and is basically on the hot seat this year.
I’m not saying this means “never” make a change, but the decision only makes sense at a point when the “odds” of hitting on the new person we pick next to the point where that person comes in and has a breakthrough season within the next 3 or so years - are clearly better than the odds of the current staff doing that. In my strong opinion, IF the D improves substantially this year and the vastly improved O holds steady, there’s no way one could objectively conclude the above.
Greg’s made a ton of mistakes throughout his stints. Some more costly than others. But the one thing he has done a pretty good job with in 2.0 is moving on from those mistakes and “fixing” the isolated problem. It’s been a see saw of sorts. We’ve had good defenses and good offense, just never at the same time. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to believe there’s at least a chance he could pull both off at the same time for a breakthrough season IF the outlook is good on both sides of the ball going into next off season. Or at least, I don’t think the odds of hitting that home run with the replacement is enough higher to warrant what the price tag at that time would be.
I’m not saying this means “never” make a change, but the decision only makes sense at a point when the “odds” of hitting on the new person we pick next to the point where that person comes in and has a breakthrough season within the next 3 or so years - are clearly better than the odds of the current staff doing that. In my strong opinion, IF the D improves substantially this year and the vastly improved O holds steady, there’s no way one could objectively conclude the above.
Greg’s made a ton of mistakes throughout his stints. Some more costly than others. But the one thing he has done a pretty good job with in 2.0 is moving on from those mistakes and “fixing” the isolated problem. It’s been a see saw of sorts. We’ve had good defenses and good offense, just never at the same time. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to believe there’s at least a chance he could pull both off at the same time for a breakthrough season IF the outlook is good on both sides of the ball going into next off season. Or at least, I don’t think the odds of hitting that home run with the replacement is enough higher to warrant what the price tag at that time would be.
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You like data but appear to struggle to analyze it. GS took over a team in 2020 that had just gone 0-18 in the B1G over the prior 2 seasons. Bereft of talent. In the brutal B1G east playing Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State every year. Look up the definition gauntlet. I rest my case. Look, now that the B1G schedules are more balanced, GS needs to step it up or he will be terminated. Nature of the beast. I can't defend how bad the defense was the last 2 years and he is a defensive coach. Am I at all confident that RU will not screw the next hire up? Not at all. New AD appears to be a major improvement but the jury is still out on her.
Some of you will always find a way to sugar coat mediocrity and cast a pall of fear of life without Greg.
We completely agree that Greg needs to step it up and the defense has sucked the last 2 years. He is flailing and failing.
Thank you for resting your case.
Not one of those coaches had even close to the financial support Schiano has. It’s apples to oranges.
There are also many losses to teams with better coaches.
he's fixed mistakes...lol please stop with that bs
fear of the unknown is NOT the way to operate. We already have a body of work from Greg and it's awful. Honestly, Elmer fking Fudd could have battled for last place last year.
time to move on, damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!
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