Recruiting hits (misses) keep on coming
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Is LSU off our schedule soon? I have a feeling Kiffin will be doing well there. At least for a few years.
No sense in worrying about it if you aren't willing to open your wallet.
I want so bad the football gods to keep teasing Lane over and over and letting him come within 1 game of the natty all the time but never winning it
we aren't really ever going to compete for too many 5 stars.
If we have 1 on the team, the chances we land more than 1 are two are 0.0000001%
If we have 1 on the team, the chances we land more than 1 are two are 0.0000001%
Ah, so this is what football has become. We’ve gone from complaining that others are buying teams to saying we aren’t allowed to care about recruiting if we don’t contribute to buying players.
You have been bitching and whining about recruiting for years. You have the ability to help but choose not to. I also choose not to contribute but you won't see me complaining. We get what we pay for. To answer your question; yes, this is what football has become.
I dont think k the recruiting is going to be majorly impacted by the level of giving from this board's members. Its a matter of finding really rich alumni now.
Disagree. It's a combination of both, particularly for USC. If folks like us (big keyboard supporters) aren't willing to contribute, we will continue to struggle. From my understanding, we don't have a lot of rich alumni contributing.
See, I think thats the key. We can get scraps from lots of "little" donors, and it will be wiped out by a team with a "big" donor.
Maybe its better to say, if we dont have a lot of rich alumni, I dont think we're making up the ground with small donations.
I think we went from 10-15 years ago complaining about the "big conspiracy" of teams buying players (i.e. church donations, parent's car washes being bought, etc.) to now being in the situation where we know teams are buying players but we don't/won't/can't pay to play. I think other than 5* players, recruiting will die and it will all be portal driven, where we are leasing players for a year or two.
It's already become this for top tier teams, particularly in baseball and basketball.
Not what football has become, it has always been this way. However, now it is out in the open and much more lucrative.
Recently I watched a 30 for 30 about the Wishbone offense. In one segment Darryl Royal of Texas is commenting on why he retired.
To paraphrase, he stated it had become much more difficult for him to get players by paying them under the table.
Now we are talking between 1957-1976.
Everyone chuckles when we raise our card at the auction knowing our card will lay on the table when the bidding get real.
Some teams, FSU, Miami, Texas Tech, have openly stated that they are trying to buy a championship. I'm not sure I want to be that sort of program. I would have a hard time being completely happy knowing that the reason my team won it all was simply a function of spending more than anyone else.
That is todays game. I admit, i would love a title, but it would take the edge off of it if we had to admit we just outspent someone else.
I would imagine if we were in that position, as soon as the W's started, and we were a regular participant in the CFP, the reservations of "buying" a championship, would dissipate.
It's easy to criticize others motives, when one is unable to employ the same methods.
Edit: I vividly recall many on here crowing about how much more money we received as a member of the SEC, than our counterparts upstate. No one seemed to have any issues of the money disparity, and this was relatively recent.
I've been reading about supposed negative recruiting occurring against us. Doesn't surprise me in the least. It's always going to happen during the process. That's also what happens when you retain a 4 win season head coach.
Negative recruiting is as old as recruiting itself.
If a school has a 4 win season, it's not exactly hard to dis the school you are recruiting against.
UK this year did this in basketball and at one point was in danger of missing the tournament. Teams need to gel regardless of payroll
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Saw on a recruiting site that currently has Texas A&M first in SEC .Carolina 14th,Shockingly Bama 16th.Blaming NIL issues for Bama fortunes.
I think recruiting HS players hard is a very 2019 move. The kid could turn out to be the next Clowney or he may ride the bench his freshman year at college, get mad, and transfer somewhere else. With a limited budget, I'd probably rather have a player who has proven himselve to be an all-conference-candidate DE at Southern Miss or Utah State than a kid with amazing upside potential but who has never played a college game.
Waiting until a HS ''star'' proves himself makes perfect sense because we know loyalty is out the window and you get 1 year if you're lucky.
My OP was purely factual: a recruit we were pursuing has signed elsewhere. I gave no commentary on it.
But noted. Big Brother has declared we are only allowed to say good and positive things about recruiting.
I love this class. Studs across the board. Promises to be a historic class that transforms us into a blue blood. Every single one of our recruits could be starting at any program in the nation next year. We will be LOADED!
My post was purely factual regarding your bitching and moaning, and your unwillingness to help the cause.
Can you outline which specific parts of my OP were bitching and moaning?
You're injecting an awful lot of emotion into something that was objectively factual.
Viennacock makes good points. I'm one of those he points to regarding "unwillingness to help the cause" (which I assume he means contributing to NIL). He is being fair. I do give generously though to a dozen charities (will be 13 next time when I contribute to the Remote Area Medical charity). I just happen to believe when I'm all said and done, I won't be judged by how many football games my beloved Gamecocks win. If I'm wrong, we are all in big trouble. 
NIL has made me temper my expectations. If we are honest with ourselves, we would admit that NIL is and always will be a huge disadvantage to Gamecock football. And if we continue to be honest with ourselves, we would admit that Carolina football recruiting has never been a consistent juggernaut, Our most successful Head Coaches here excelled at strategy, tactics, organization and motivation. They did not have consistent great years here. But, they gave us our most successful seasons. The Head Coaches who were reputed to be recruiting stars (Bell, Woods, Scott, Muschamp) were unmitigated failures here. If you disagree, that's fine. We will just agree to disagree.
NIL has made me temper my expectations. If we are honest with ourselves, we would admit that NIL is and always will be a huge disadvantage to Gamecock football. And if we continue to be honest with ourselves, we would admit that Carolina football recruiting has never been a consistent juggernaut, Our most successful Head Coaches here excelled at strategy, tactics, organization and motivation. They did not have consistent great years here. But, they gave us our most successful seasons. The Head Coaches who were reputed to be recruiting stars (Bell, Woods, Scott, Muschamp) were unmitigated failures here. If you disagree, that's fine. We will just agree to disagree.
I'm not sure he's ever made a point. Yes, it's true, teams outright buy players now.Viennacock makes good points. I'm one of those he points to regarding "unwillingness to help the cause" (which I assume he means contributing to NIL). He is being fair. I do give generously though to a dozen charities (will be 13 next time when I contribute to the Remote Area Medical charity). I just happen to believe when I'm all said and done, I won't be judged by how many football games my beloved Gamecocks win. If I'm wrong, we are all in big trouble.
NIL has made me temper my expectations. If we are honest with ourselves, we would admit that NIL is and always will be a huge disadvantage to Gamecock football. And if we continue to be honest with ourselves, we would admit that Carolina football recruiting has never been a consistent juggernaut, Our most successful Head Coaches here excelled at strategy, tactics, organization and motivation. They did not have consistent great years here. But, they gave us our most successful seasons. The Head Coaches who were reputed to be recruiting stars (Bell, Woods, Scott, Muschamp) were unmitigated failures here. If you disagree, that's fine. We will just agree to disagree.
I reject the silly notion that unless you're a brain dead moron who gives to NIL, then you don't have any right as a fan to comment on the state of the program. Foolishness. But when you deal with fools, you get a lot of foolishness.
Recruiting was doing pretty good after Beamer’s first crap class. But the magic seems to be disappearing. If this class falls below 30, and we have another losing season, I think the fans turn on him. That said, I sort of believe he needs at least 7-8 wins this year.
Yes, this is what recruiting has become, especially for the elite players, then even when you have them on the roster, the staff has to continually recruit them to retain them. Started with the coaches and now the players always looking for the next big opportunity/ paycheck, but again it started with coaches.
The portal really compounds things.
If this season is not a good one (or even if it is), vultures will be all over to try picking our roster clean. There will surely be some attrition. You compound that with a poor recruiting class and it's almost a death sentence.
Agreed. This is a Gamecocks sports forum, but the thoughts I post here account for > 0.1% of what concerns me in life. It seems foolish to say that for the entire history of college football, fans were allowed to care about recruiting but now that we have NIL you aren't allowed to care or voice an opinion unless you contribute to NIL.
I suspect I'd be allowed to care if I had an overall positive opinion of our recruiting. As always, on all aspects of team, I call it like it I see it. When we do good things, I comment on it. When we do bad things, I comment on it.
As it stand with recruiting, we haven't had anything but bad to comment on in a while. A quick perusal would show I have said many positive things on recruiting in the past.
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